Do you guys consider these guys actual former members?

[blueheart]

Matt... and maybe Dizzy ... as both of them joined the group the same period? ?

in Live Era booklet, Dizzy is part of the band [along with the original 5 members], while Matt and Gilby are additional musician

yes.... and that's why he didn't replace anyone from the original members

[Mikkamakka]

Matt... and maybe Dizzy ... as both of them joined the group the same period? ?

in Live Era booklet, Dizzy is part of the band [along with the original 5 members], while Matt and Gilby are additional musician

yes.... and that's why he didn't replace anyone from the original members

And he was the only one of the three who still played with Axl in 1999.    Nota bene: Matt and Gilby played on more LE tracks than the original members they had replaced.

[AtariLegend]

    whenever my friends ask about who's in gnr, i'll list the original lineup, then i'll add "oh yeah, but the drummer was replaced by this other guy called matt".
    i never seem to think of Dizzy when  i think of "Guns N' Roses", even if I know that he's been in the band for around 16 years already and that's more than Adler. 
    I know, not fair to poor old Dizzy. but i just wanted to speak my mind, and it's what my mind always seem to think. 

Dizzy makes Guns tunes sound weaker.

Did you even listen to UYI?

[blueheart]

? ? whenever my friends ask about who's in gnr, i'll list the original lineup, then i'll add "oh yeah, but the drummer was replaced by this other guy called matt".
? ? i never seem to think of Dizzy when? i think of "Guns N' Roses", even if I know that he's been in the band for around 16 years already and that's more than Adler.?
? ? I know, not fair to poor old Dizzy. but i just wanted to speak my mind, and it's what my mind always seem to think.?

Dizzy makes Guns tunes sound weaker.

Did you even listen to UYI?

or estranged maybe? 

[tomass74]

? ? whenever my friends ask about who's in gnr, i'll list the original lineup, then i'll add "oh yeah, but the drummer was replaced by this other guy called matt".
? ? i never seem to think of Dizzy when? i think of "Guns N' Roses", even if I know that he's been in the band for around 16 years already and that's more than Adler.?
? ? I know, not fair to poor old Dizzy. but i just wanted to speak my mind, and it's what my mind always seem to think.?

Dizzy makes Guns tunes sound weaker.

Did you even listen to UYI?

Yes and the songs would be better and more raw without him...

[tomass74]

? ? whenever my friends ask about who's in gnr, i'll list the original lineup, then i'll add "oh yeah, but the drummer was replaced by this other guy called matt".
? ? i never seem to think of Dizzy when? i think of "Guns N' Roses", even if I know that he's been in the band for around 16 years already and that's more than Adler.?
? ? I know, not fair to poor old Dizzy. but i just wanted to speak my mind, and it's what my mind always seem to think.?

Dizzy makes Guns tunes sound weaker.

Did you even listen to UYI?

or estranged maybe??

Wasn't that Axl that wrote and played that on the album? And mostly I am refering to Dizzy palying all the unwarranted piano live every damn song.. Appetite songs do not need that shit.

[blueheart]

? ? whenever my friends ask about who's in gnr, i'll list the original lineup, then i'll add "oh yeah, but the drummer was replaced by this other guy called matt".
? ? i never seem to think of Dizzy when? i think of "Guns N' Roses", even if I know that he's been in the band for around 16 years already and that's more than Adler.?
? ? I know, not fair to poor old Dizzy. but i just wanted to speak my mind, and it's what my mind always seem to think.?

Dizzy makes Guns tunes sound weaker.

Did you even listen to UYI?

or estranged maybe??

Wasn't that Axl that wrote and played that on the album? And mostly I am refering to Dizzy palying all the unwarranted piano live every damn song.. Appetite songs do not need that shit.

 AXL was on the album but Dizzy was on the live performances...

[pasnow]

I consider BH a former member, just not an original member, like Gilby.

WTF, Gilby joined the band after Izzy quit, he new he was an employee.....plain and simple.

Well, I phrased this badly I suppose. How I meant it was I consider BH the same as Gibly, both "Former members" just not "Original members"

[GNROSAS]

I consider Member/ Former Members musicians who actually wrote a fair amount of music on a GNR record that consists of original GNR Songs..(Not covers).

So in that Respect so far

Axl, Izzy, Slash,Duff.Steven,Matt,Dizzy? are for me the members/ former Members of GNR.

Gilby was a hired musician for the tour & a cover album.

I don't consider the Musicians who played on Oh My God members as it was 1 song for a soundtrack and in an experimental phase.
More as guests..Unless Of course they play on a few songs on the new Gnr album.

As far as the new Band goes...It seems

Tommy,Robin,Brain,Bucket,Pittman are the ones that will be on CD so i consider them as members/former members..
Fortus will be probably be on CD too..

Ron is just a hired touring guitarist at the moment..like Gilby was...

[AtariLegend]

    whenever my friends ask about who's in gnr, i'll list the original lineup, then i'll add "oh yeah, but the drummer was replaced by this other guy called matt".
    i never seem to think of Dizzy when  i think of "Guns N' Roses", even if I know that he's been in the band for around 16 years already and that's more than Adler. 
    I know, not fair to poor old Dizzy. but i just wanted to speak my mind, and it's what my mind always seem to think. 

Dizzy makes Guns tunes sound weaker.

Did you even listen to UYI?

Yes and the songs would be better and more raw without him...

Estranged, I kind of love that song, so when someone says somthing like that I kind of get pissed.

[JDA]

buckethead I do and that's it.

[WAR41]

I consider Member/ Former Members musicians who actually wrote a fair amount of music on a GNR record that consists of original GNR Songs..(Not covers).

So in that Respect so far

Axl, Izzy, Slash,Duff.Steven,Matt,Dizzy? are for me the members/ former Members of GNR.

Gilby was a hired musician for the tour & a cover album.

I don't consider the Musicians who played on Oh My God members as it was 1 song for a soundtrack and in an experimental phase.
More as guests..Unless Of course they play on a few songs on the new Gnr album.

As far as the new Band goes...It seems

Tommy,Robin,Brain,Bucket,Pittman are the ones that will be on CD so i consider them as members/former members..
Fortus we be probably be on CD too..

Ron is just a hired touring guitarist at the moment..like Gilby was...

What you said pretty much sums up what I feel.  Because if Navarro, Freese, etc. were counted as 'ex members' then so would Alice Cooper and Teddy Andreas and others with song writing contributions on various albums. 

[robert32]

GN'R has had only five members so far: Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven. The others (Dizzy, Gilby, BH, Finck etc.) were and are employees.


When (if...) the album comes out we'll be able to judge if anyone besides the original five (and Matt) had that I'd call 'creative membership'.

Fair comments.  Even Matt, Dizzy and Gilby have really just been employees of the band.  They didn't have an equal membership with the original five.  Of course, Steven lost his membership before the last gig he played with the band.  Axl tried to put Iz on a contract too before he left.  Crazy really, who demotes their founding member exactly?   

[AtariLegend]

Axl and Izzy are the only founding members that every one can agree on. Slash + Duff + Steven just replaced Tracci + Rob + and the other one.

[blueheart]

Axl and Izzy are the only founding members that every one can agree on. Slash + Duff + Steven just replaced Tracci + Rob + and the other one.

  IT WASN'T GUNS N ROSES BACK THEN

[melissa]

Axl and Izzy are the only founding members that every one can agree on. Slash + Duff + Steven just replaced Tracci + Rob + and the other one.

  IT WASN'T GUNS N ROSES BACK THEN

it was called Guns n Roses. but when they first signed a contract, Slash, Duff and Steven were part of the band, which makes them original members. there's no doubt about it.

[blueheart]

that lasted only for 2-3 months.... Slash+Duff+Steven played on their first record

[tomass74]

Axl and Izzy are the only founding members that every one can agree on. Slash + Duff + Steven just replaced Tracci + Rob + and the other one.

That is the lamest arguement ever... Like someone said, it wasn't Gn'R back then.. And THEY SUCKED until Slash, Duff and Steven came along!!!!! Have you heard the Hollywood Rose CD?

[AtariLegend]

How can they ignore their roots?

[ryba]

Matt... and maybe Dizzy ... as both of them joined the group the same period  ?

in Live Era booklet, Dizzy is part of the band [along with the original 5 members], while Matt and Gilby are additional musician

That's interesting. I've read an interview with Slash, I think (it might have been Gilby, I don't remember well), here at Here Today... where he clearly said that Axl's classifying Matt as "additional musician" in the album credits was a kind of vengeance for what Matt said to Axl before quitting the band / getting kinced or whatever it really was or for something else "Matt did to Axl", I don't remember right now. I concluded it had nothing to do with the real legal status of Matt as a band member. Did Matt sue Axl for that??