Do you guys consider these guys actual former members?

[ryba]

No, not really. I consider them ex-Axl's bandmates. Is Paul Huge an ex-gunner??

[blueheart]

Dizzy, Gilby, BH, Finck etc. were and are employees

DIZZY IS NOT JUST AN EMPLOYEE 

[anythinggoes]

Dizzy, Gilby, BH, Finck etc. were and are employees

DIZZY IS NOT JUST AN EMPLOYEE?

I agree apart from Axl he is the longest serving band member and he wasnt a replacement for anybody either if the time had been right he would of been in the band from day one

[Lara]

Dizzy, Gilby, BH, Finck etc. were and are employees

DIZZY IS NOT JUST AN EMPLOYEE 

NEITHER IS FINCK   

[TheMole]

Dizzy, Gilby, BH, Finck etc. were and are employees

DIZZY IS NOT JUST AN EMPLOYEE 

NEITHER IS FINCK   

People on a payroll are employees. Guns N Roses is not only a band, it's also a company. A company owned by Axl, for which Dizzy, Finck, Fortus, Brain, Pitman and Thal work (probably amongst some others). They do not own part of the company, therefore they are not employers, therefore they are employees!

[blueheart]

Dizzy, Gilby, BH, Finck etc. were and are employees

DIZZY IS NOT JUST AN EMPLOYEE?

NEITHER IS FINCK? ?

People on a payroll are employees. Guns N Roses is not only a band, it's also a company. A company owned by Axl, for which Dizzy, Finck, Fortus, Brain, Pitman and Thal work (probably amongst some others). They do not own part of the company, therefore they are not employers, therefore they are employees!

Dizzy was on UYI albums and on TSI and on LIVE ERA.... HE IS NOT JUST AND EMPLOYEE... HE IS MEMBER OF THE BAND FOR MORE THAN 16 YEARS  GET OVER IT

[estrangedpaul]

Dizzy, Gilby, BH, Finck etc. were and are employees

DIZZY IS NOT JUST AN EMPLOYEE?

NEITHER IS FINCK? ?

People on a payroll are employees. Guns N Roses is not only a band, it's also a company. A company owned by Axl, for which Dizzy, Finck, Fortus, Brain, Pitman and Thal work (probably amongst some others). They do not own part of the company, therefore they are not employers, therefore they are employees!

Dizzy was on UYI albums and on TSI and on LIVE ERA.... HE IS NOT JUST AND EMPLOYEE... HE IS MEMBER OF THE BAND FOR MORE THAN 16 YEARS? GET OVER IT

It doesn't matter how long he's been there. If he gets paid a contracted fee, he's really just an employee. If he earns royalties, like all the original members did, then he's part of a partnership and hence is a member of the group.

[Mikkamakka]

Dizzy, Gilby, BH, Finck etc. were and are employees

DIZZY IS NOT JUST AN EMPLOYEE?

But a mediocre conga player 

[TheMole]

Dizzy was on UYI albums and on TSI and on LIVE ERA.... HE IS NOT JUST AND EMPLOYEE... HE IS MEMBER OF THE BAND FOR MORE THAN 16 YEARS  GET OVER IT

Stop getting your panties in a bunch, it's semantics: he's an employee, by every definition of the word, period. You and I can like dizzy as much as we want, and he can be part of this band for another gazillion years, he'll remain an employee unless uncle Axl decides to take him in the partnership, which he never will. Dizzy being an employee has nothing to do with Dizzy's qualities, it has everything to do with Axl's policies and decisions. Same goes for the rest of the band members: they are hired hands. Get over it. No offence meant.

[dafflovesaxl]

Are they on stage when the lights are hit and the announcer announces the band as Guns N Roses? Are they on the payroll? Are they performing on the CD that you bought with the name Guns N Roses on the cover. Are their names on the credits of your CD cover? GNR is Axl's band and anyone who plays with and or for him is a member of GNR. It's Axl's call. If you don't like it, don't go to the shows or buy the CD's.  HERE HERE, I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT ONE

Here is a question for ya, would you rather that Axl not use the name Guns N Roses for his band? MY OPINION IS, IT IS ENTIRELY UP TO HIM, I REALLY COULDNT CARE LESS.  WHATEVER, I STILL ADORE HIM/HIS MUSIC.  TAKE CARE, DAFF XX

[hank]

Do you consider present members former members, that is , if they were formerly present? How far back do you have to go before you formally consider one a present member? 

[pasnow]

Do you consider present members former members, that is , if they were formerly present? How far back do you have to go before you formally consider one a present member??

?  How much weed have you smoked today?!

[cactus]

no, i really dont giv a dam about them. The only 1s i consider "members" are: Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, Adler, Matt...mayb Dizzy

[blueheart]

no, i really dont giv a dam about them. The only 1s i consider "members" are: Axl, Slash, Izzy, Duff, Adler, Matt...mayb Dizzy

oh ok... then why Matt... and maybe Dizzy ... as both of them joined the group the same period  ?

[cactus]

? ? whenever my friends ask about who's in gnr, i'll list the original lineup, then i'll add "oh yeah, but the drummer was replaced by this other guy called matt".
? ? i never seem to think of Dizzy when? i think of "Guns N' Roses", even if I know that he's been in the band for around 16 years already and that's more than Adler.?
? ? I know, not fair to poor old Dizzy. but i just wanted to speak my mind, and it's what my mind always seem to think. 

[Grasshopper]

I consider BH a former member, just not an original member, like Gilby.

WTF, Gilby joined the band after Izzy quit, he new he was an employee.....plain and simple.

[melissa]

Matt... and maybe Dizzy ... as both of them joined the group the same period  ?

in Live Era booklet, Dizzy is part of the band [along with the original 5 members], while Matt and Gilby are additional musician

[AtariLegend]

Matt... and maybe Dizzy ... as both of them joined the group the same period ?

in Live Era booklet, Dizzy is part of the band [along with the original 5 members], while Matt and Gilby are additional musician

Exactly thank god someone realised that,

 and some where on this post someone mentioned the people on the album, Duff was there during the first 1997 recording. Althought that was re-recored over with different bassits, so shouldn't Duff not get some Album credit.

Dave from RHCP and Janes Addiction was hired help as well.

[tomass74]

Dizzy, Gilby, BH, Finck etc. were and are employees

DIZZY IS NOT JUST AN EMPLOYEE?

Your right..  He is a tool too!!  Sorry, always thought that of him.

[tomass74]

? ? whenever my friends ask about who's in gnr, i'll list the original lineup, then i'll add "oh yeah, but the drummer was replaced by this other guy called matt".
? ? i never seem to think of Dizzy when? i think of "Guns N' Roses", even if I know that he's been in the band for around 16 years already and that's more than Adler.?
? ? I know, not fair to poor old Dizzy. but i just wanted to speak my mind, and it's what my mind always seem to think.?

Dizzy makes Guns tunes sound weaker.