Ex??White-Boy Poseur?

[Axl_GNR]

Axl Rose started out screeching about being ?just an urchin livin? under the street,? but in the thirteen years he?s been working on the oft-delayed album Chinese Democracy (at a price that?s exceeded $13 million), he?s had time to reflect on heavy-metal posturing. ?We thought we were so badass,? he said in the greenroom at the VMAs. ?Then N.W.A. came out rapping about this world where you walk out of your house and you get shot. It was just so clear what stupid little white-boy poseurs we were. It was like, ?All right, we can give up the act.? If you?re talking about which lifestyle is more hard-core, the one where you get shot always wins.? So what?s the holdup with Chinese Democracy, Axl? ?It?s not about being a control freak. It?s about being maybe smart enough to go, ?No, that?s a bad idea.? That?s all it?s about?keeping the ability to at least have a shot as opposed to something that?s just an obvious disaster. I want to make a good record. I don?t want to throw a brick. This cannot be Shaq at the free-throw line.? Rose promises the album will be released by the end of the year.

Source: http://www.newyorkmetro.com/news/intelligencer/20338/index.html

[DaNutz]

The one where you get shot always wins.

Thats funny.

Its almost like they asked him a different question than "Whats the hold up w/ CD"?

His seems to be answering a question more along the lines of how much influence did the other guys have?

?It?s not about being a control freak. It?s about being maybe smart enough to go, ?No, that?s a bad idea.? That?s all it?s about?keeping the ability to at least have a shot as opposed to something that?s just an obvious disaster. I want to make a good record. I don?t want to throw a brick. This cannot be Shaq at the free-throw line.?

[pasnow]

I think he's being a little hard on himself. I don't know that I'd consider them 'posers'. I always looked at them as the real deal. What with lyrics like Mr. Brownstone & It's So Easy, pretty raw stuff. Myb he's referring a little to the One in a Million line..

[wells]

I think he's being a little hard on himself. I don't know that I'd consider them 'posers'. I always looked at them as the real deal. What with lyrics like Mr. Brownstone & It's So Easy, pretty raw stuff. Myb he's referring a little to the One in a Million line..

I am sorry to argue, but I think you miss the point here... Anyway I don't want to say Axl ment this or Axl ment that, but I think it has nothing to do with One in a million 

[GNRfan2008]

GN'R lived it moreso than most of the metal bands back then. They climbed out of the gutter. I mean c'mon, they wrote their songs on empty pizza boxes, lived off of gravy and biscuits for weeks at a time, etc. They were as real as you can get for metal. But compared to folks coming out of Compton, etc., I can see what he means. It really doesn't compare that much.

[Baby Chaos]

How many bands who've been around for a while can go back to when they first started (and when they were probably under 25) and say they didn't blow everything out of proportion?

Such as being more extroverted, loud and colourful that what they really were?

Everyone has done it and the record buying public love it.

As I've got older I've been able to see through it a lot more, but when I was 12 and first heard 'Get In The Ring' it meant everything to me.

[Gargh!]

This cannot be Shaq at the free-throw line

What does that mean?

[polluxlm]

Damn black people ruining it for us with their misery

But seriously, I think Axl makes a good point. ?A band singing about how hard it is to have too much money for drugs and what a bitch it is to be dating supermodels, would lose alot of streetcred in that period. In some ways it was for the best that Gn'R didn't release anything then. Metallica did, and look at them now. Living on past glory and nostalgia, with no real impact. Not to say that Gn'R as of today got alot of that, but they atleast got a shot at it.

[polluxlm]

This cannot be Shaq at the free-throw line

What does that mean?

He's one of the best players in the world and would probably make the shot, but he could just aswell miss. Axl chooses to dunk instead.

[Origen]

It was just so clear what stupid little white-boy poseurs we were.

What a stupid thing to say. Maybe behind the scene they weren't so hardcore as they made out to be, but to say they were all just "poseurs" is just trying to kill whatever reputation they had left and one of the things people loved them for.

[the dirt]

I guess GNR would have been more real if they went around shooting everyone. Jeez ?

This cannot be Shaq at the free-throw line

What does that mean?

He means it can't be awful like Shaq the basketball player is at the freethrow line.

[TheRaven]

This cannot be Shaq at the free-throw line

What does that mean?

He's one of the best players in the world and would probably make the shot, but he could just aswell miss. Axl chooses to dunk instead.

You're incorrect, "the dirt" is right with his assessment. Shaq is known as being one of the WORST free throw shooters in the NBA, hence the "hack a Shaq" strategy other teams use against him.lol

Raven

[the dirt]

It was just so clear what stupid little white-boy poseurs we were.

What a stupid thing to say. Maybe behind the scene they weren't so hardcore as they made out to be, but to say they were all just "poseurs" is just trying to kill whatever reputation they had left.

Stuff like this kind of gets to me too. It's like he hates their legacy here. If they were so full of shit he should stop playing the old songs entirely, if this is what he believes.

And this is not a case of "studio gangster" stuff. His words not mine. If this is what he really believes...

[polluxlm]

This cannot be Shaq at the free-throw line

What does that mean?

He's one of the best players in the world and would probably make the shot, but he could just aswell miss. Axl chooses to dunk instead.

You're incorrect, "the dirt" is right with his assessment. Shaq is known as being one of the WORST free throw shooters in the NBA, hence the "hack a Shaq" strategy other teams use against him.lol

Raven

Ok, my bad

Don't really know shit about NBA, except that Shag is a legend, so I made what seemed a logical assesment. Well, whatever

[polluxlm]

It was just so clear what stupid little white-boy poseurs we were.

What a stupid thing to say. Maybe behind the scene they weren't so hardcore as they made out to be, but to say they were all just "poseurs" is just trying to kill whatever reputation they had left.

Stuff like this kind of gets to me too. It's like he hates their legacy here. If they were so full of shit he should stop playing the old songs entirely, if this is what he believes.

And this is not a case of "studio gangster" stuff. His words not mine. If this is what he really believes...

It's not about them being full of shit or acting as poseurs, it's about how their image would appear that way in the dramatic change in the musical scene at the time. He's doesn't hate what they did or stood for in the past, he's just telling things like they are. In terms of popular opinion.

[GNRfan2008]

Well, I do think that GN'R were the real deal when they started. The recordings on AFD are definitely the real deal as far as writing from bad experiences, etc. They were not rich guys at the time at all and they definitely weren't posers. But the UYI era of GN'R probably were posers. On the Eddie Trunk show earlier this year, Axl mentioned that the thought the filming of the UYI videos was cool but now he sees the concepts as corny and lame.

[Doc Emmett Brown]

If this is what he really believes...

It may not be. I just see it as an attempt to ingratiate himself with the current music scene, no more no less.

[estrangedpaul]

It was just so clear what stupid little white-boy poseurs we were.

What a stupid thing to say. Maybe behind the scene they weren't so hardcore as they made out to be, but to say they were all just "poseurs" is just trying to kill whatever reputation they had left.

Stuff like this kind of gets to me too. It's like he hates their legacy here. If they were so full of shit he should stop playing the old songs entirely, if this is what he believes.

And this is not a case of "studio gangster" stuff. His words not mine. If this is what he really believes...

He's just being honest. It's not a stupid thing to say at all. If that's what he believes then I respect his honesty and he certainly has a point, when he compares GnR to NWA. You guys seem to go round thinking Axl should do whatever he can to cement GnR's reputation for maximum publicity or whatever. But Axl doesn't care about his or the band's reputation. He's reflecting on the band's early years with honesty. I like VR but I cringe when they constantly say stuff like "we're the most dangerous band in the world" and "we are a high octane brand of rock n'roll" and stuff like that. I think Axl is refecting on the past with honesty and modesty, and its refreshing. I'd rather him say that than come out ;"Yeah, we were the most dangerous band in the world." At the end of the day he was there. You guys weren't. So for you to say that what he said is stupid even though you weren't there is rediculous.

[Mr Bootlegs]

I can't believe he said that. After getting on to bands like Poison back in the day for not living the life they said they were, and now calling the old band posers. What the fuck?
Does that mean aerosmith are posers too Axl? Or the Crue? comon!

[the dirt]

It's a good thing he replaced all band members with people who never liked GNR to begin with.