Chinese Democracy: Anti piracy measures

[flimflamking]

remember the fact that in some countries prices of foreign cds are just too big... not everywhere is so great...

cmon.
cds are all over the world in the range 10-15$
everyone who can afford internet can afford to buy a cd.

Yeah, and Im sure they will buy the cd when it becomes available. I know I will. I might download it first if I cant make it to the store right away. But first chance I get to pick up the original I will do so.

[kyrie]

Because there's two types of people - those who download it and will maybe buy it, and those who would not have paid in the first place.

You forgot the 3rd type: Those who just go out and buy it....(those who download it and will MAYBE buy it...what a bunch of shit that is.)

Also its irrelevant that the label sets the price, because the label owns the rights to the album..Not the downloaders.

Whether downloading is the best way to promote something, may or may not be true...It still does not give people the
right to download if the artist/label do not want that, just because some guy on the internet thinks he has the right
to demo it because some big corporation is charging to much.

Those settlements were based on labels telling retailers there was a minimum that they HAD to sell the CD for: thus
price fixing....Other than that they were free as all hell to sell the CD to the retailer for whatever price they wanted.

Its no different than an author writing a book, having the publisher charge $50, somebody scanning it, and letting others download it
illegally..They have every RIGHT to charge whatever the fuck they want...You have no right to download it if they dont want you to,
just because they can't stop you.

I downloaded SAW and bought the movie so don't tell me it's a bunch of shit. As a publisher I've had people tell me that bought my software BECAUSE they downloaded it first. Now, that's a few bucks for shareware and not really how I make my money but it's first-hand proof.

Umm, welcome to the concept of a LIBRARY. And Google's book project.

Copy prevention has nothing to do with stoping downloads. It's basically the industry's way to try and get people to buy things twice. Certain record execs have admitted this, with one saying (this may have been ex-RIAA head Hilary Rosen, but I can't remember for sure) "why should you be allowed to make MP3s from your CD?" - they want you to pay twice. Yet for years the record label said they wouldn't replace defective CDs because "you pay for the content, not the media."

"Other than that they were free as all hell to sell the CD to the retailer for whatever price they wanted."

What is your point? The industry was caught price fixing. Apple has accused them of unfair pricing. They were also caught price fixing in other online stores. They were caught price fixing in the UK. They were caught LYING about statistics as they relate to sales. You see a pattern here?

Downloading, where I live, is legal (there is no law against the copying of a recorded work for personal use, even if given to someone else, so long as profit is not involved, although the industry is lobbying hard to change this). Yet CD sales here have rebounded due to better prices. Gee, wonder if that's a coincidence?

[Axl4Prez2004]

cmon.
cds are all over the world in the range 10-15$
everyone who can afford internet can afford to buy a cd.

I only buy cd's of the bands I really want to support....

  But ya see, that's the point of this thread.  There is a massive group of people in the media ready to tear down GNR before they even release music.  I'd bet you they actually have reviews written and prepared already!  I'd help out in any way I could by putting slightly defective copies of CD out there to fuc& with people stealing the album.  In all reality, the more successful the album is, the more likely we are to get more music.  I am realistic though, it would have minimal effect.  I am just saddened by the media personalities' inability to judge the album on its merits. 

[DaNutz]

One thing I do agree on after all of this, is that the CD itself should not be copy-protected.
That way once purchased, your free to put in on your MP3 player or computer to listen to.

I'll personally be buying just 2 copies..one for the home and one for the car.

[Lowrlder54]

your all going to download it anyway when it leaks. I cant imagine ever caring about how well an album sales. Thats the last thing on my mind when I think about music. I dont friggin care how well it does, if i like it, thats all that matters.

[You Gonna Eat That?]

Chinese Democracy deserves to be downloaded no less than any (decent) album.

[Bono]

Chinese Democracy deserves to be downloaded no less than any (decent) album.

Exactly. I find it funny how nobody has a problems with this ever untill Axl puts out an album and all of a sudden it's a travesty.  I download shit but it's always a  test run. It's a great way to sample a disc before you buy. 99.9% of the time if I like what I download I go out and buy it and 99.9% of the time I download somthing if I don't like it I delete it off my PC anyways. That .1% that I don't go out and buy it is when it's not available in the stores so I'm justified that way .

[michaelvincent]

If Chinese Democracy is the most anticipated album of all time then I'm Jesus himself. The most anticipated ever on GnR messageboards the world over is slightly more accurate.

[russtcb]

If Chinese Democracy is the most anticipated album of all time then I'm Jesus himself. The most anticipated ever on GnR messageboards the world over is slightly more accurate.

Well lord, I wonder why the music press often uses that phrase if that's not the case?

[Origen]

If Chinese Democracy is the most anticipated album of all time then I'm Jesus himself. The most anticipated ever on GnR messageboards the world over is slightly more accurate.

Well lord, I wonder why the music press often uses that phrase if that's not the case?

Ironic how people here say the music press "Talked shit and dont know what they were talking about" when it comes to GnR, but when they say somethink positive about the band like "most anticipated album" then people start quoting them and they are all of a sudden right.

[nonlinear]

yea, and honestly, I don't know a single person (aside from my self and all you other internet guns freaks) who gives a flying fuck about the new GNR album...

it's definately NOT the most anticipated album of all time.  I wonder what the most anticipated album of all time was

[KillKurtzKids]

Nobody cares about Chinese Democracy except us. Not to say people won't care about it, but lets just say nobody really thinks about it all that much during their day to day routine.

Who cares who downloads it? More people will download Eminem's new album and more people will buy it too. Don't get excited. If it does well with the critics and has a good couple of singles, it'll do well. If doesn't then it won't. Either way, downloading will have little effect.

[russtcb]

If Chinese Democracy is the most anticipated album of all time then I'm Jesus himself. The most anticipated ever on GnR messageboards the world over is slightly more accurate.

Well lord, I wonder why the music press often uses that phrase if that's not the case?

Ironic how people here say the music press "Talked shit and dont know what they were talking about" when it comes to GnR, but when they say somethink positive about the band like "most anticipated album" then people start quoting them and they are all of a sudden right.

I wasn't saying they were right. Seeing as there's no way to measure something like this and say what was or wasn't the most anticipated album ever, there's no point in arguing it.

My point was that it's not just the people on this board who've said it.

[bazgnr]

yea, and honestly, I don't know a single person (aside from my self and all you other internet guns freaks) who gives a flying fuck about the new GNR album...

it's definately NOT the most anticipated album of all time.? I wonder what the most anticipated album of all time was

The White Album?  Pearl Jam's "Vs.?"  I sense a separate thread coming on...

[russtcb]

yea, and honestly, I don't know a single person (aside from my self and all you other internet guns freaks) who gives a flying fuck about the new GNR album...

it's definately NOT the most anticipated album of all time.  I wonder what the most anticipated album of all time was

The White Album?  Pearl Jam's "Vs.?"  I sense a separate thread coming on...

Seeing as there's just no way to decide something like this, I wouldn't see why we'd have a seperate thread to discuss it.

[Wolfpac]

If the leaks/demos that have been released are any indication of what Chinese Democracy will be then I will only be downloading it.

[EFISH]

If the leaks/demos that have been released are any indication of what Chinese Democracy will be then I will only be downloading it.

youve got to be kidding me right? 

[russtcb]

If the leaks/demos that have been released are any indication of what Chinese Democracy will be then I will only be downloading it.

youve got to be kidding me right? 

I've got to assume thats a joke.

[michaelvincent]

Well lord, I wonder why the music press often uses that phrase if that's not the case?

In all honesty...it's probably just the music press doing what they do best. Saying what they think people who read their work want to hear.

As a small aside, I honestly and truthfully feel that Chinese Democracy, if it ever sees the light of day, is going to be a deep album and will probably go over a lot of people's heads. It probably won't sell Appetite or UYI type numbers, but will be more like Led Zeppelin's Presence, which sold terribly but amongst hardcore Zeppelin fans is considered one of their best, most challenging albums and their great undiscovered masterpiece. Not saying that as a bad thing but 10 years down the line I see the hardcore GnR fans saying 'man...what a great album it's a shame that it went over so many people's heads because there was some groundbreaking stuff on there...'

Those are always my absolute favorite albums by any band. Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd is an amazing album, but totally overshadows what I think is a far superior album which is Animals...if you catch my drift.

[russtcb]

Well lord, I wonder why the music press often uses that phrase if that's not the case?

In all honesty...it's probably just the music press doing what they do best. Saying what they think people who read their work want to hear.

As a small aside, I honestly and truthfully feel that Chinese Democracy, if it ever sees the light of day, is going to be a deep album and will probably go over a lot of people's heads. It probably won't sell Appetite or UYI type numbers, but will be more like Led Zeppelin's Presence, which sold terribly but amongst hardcore Zeppelin fans is considered one of their best, most challenging albums and their great undiscovered masterpiece. Not saying that as a bad thing but 10 years down the line I see the hardcore GnR fans saying 'man...what a great album it's a shame that it went over so many people's heads because there was some groundbreaking stuff on there...'

Those are always my absolute favorite albums by any band. Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd is an amazing album, but totally overshadows what I think is a far superior album which is Animals...if you catch my drift.

I gotcha. I feel the same way. As far as Floyd goes, I could name about 5 albums besides Animals that I find to ber superior to DSOTM, but for some reason that's the one everywill know. I agree with you that CD will be the same way.