GNR, up to this point, are not a great band (in my opinion)

[Ignatius]

This is ridiculous.

You are saying GNR is not a good band cause in your opinon a band can only be considered great if they put a stellar perfomarnce and in your opinion (again), GNR hasnt done so with the new songs.

I've seen GNR twice this year (many more members here have attended more shows) but the new songs sounded great, even better than the old ones, but then again, this is just my opinon.

[zombux]

and what the fuck are they? the best ever performances of Nightrain, awesome performances of The Blues, IRS, Paradise City and many more speak for themselves. this band actually IS great. looks like you haven't been to their show and it's your time to attend some of their show - you will change your mind, trust me.

[daviebuckethead]

i think the crux of the guys argument is, is that the new songs aren't played as well as the old ones....whcih is weird because their someone elses songs?

i think most of the new songs i've heard performed live were good.
i haven't heard the band play better well in a live situation yet, and i haven't heard twat live. although i would say i was at the hammersmith gig in london and they made a cunt of irs at one point, but this happens from time to time

[Janabis]

Overall, I think the new songs have come off very poorly when played live. Some nights are much better than others, but these performances have been inconsistent at best. I think Axl has always done a pretty good job on Madagascar, but he usually sounds awful on Better, and most performances of IRS have been weak as well. Listening to Better from RIR4 still makes me cringe. The Germany recording is one of the better ones, but Axl is still really flat and short of breath throughout most of the song. He's done an alright job on The Blues although I actually preferred his cleaner high pitched voice on that song from 2002 over his current performances. The gigs from Japan '02 are still the very best vocal performances of The Blues I've heard (and I've heard just about every one).

[Sillything]

Live versions of new songs not so good? *cough* bullshit*cough*

[ClintroN]

i think they play em' well, what the fuck are you talkin' about??

Are you kidding me? The only song I think consistanly sounds decent is Madagascar.  The rest...sloppy, Axl can't sing em...they are just not up to par.  And even though we have not heard Madagascar or The Blues or ChinDem in studio, I KNOW that what we have heard so far live will not be as good as in the studio.

However, sometimes when they play the older songs live they ARE as good as the studio version, often times better.

you tellin' me the OLD band didnt play there unreleased songs unsloppy live, let em' gel dude, givem' a break!!!

[downzy56]

"GNR, up to this point, are not a great band"

What? are you crazy? Have you not seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abEbYPWkT9Q ? (Better Guns N' Roses-Rock AM Ring PROSHOT) This is amazing! - Appetite has now been shelved and will only be taken down for the purpose of nostalgia.

Ok so i just watched RockAmRing Better and IRS.? For some reason I skipped over those two before, idk why.? You have proven me wrong on THIS instance.? For the majority of the time however, Better or IRS or TWAT or The Blues imo have not been good.

Oh and IRS from RockAmRing kicks fuckin ASS.? Holy shit.? I seriously could not believe it, after my whole thread being about how they can't play the new songs, and here I am floored at how awsome IRS was at this show.?

However, every other version of IRS, and most of the new song's I have heard have been aweful.? If they can play all the song's like they played IRS at RAR, I would consider them a great band.?

As you can see, i'm not trying to be negative here, i'm just stating what I observe, good or bad.

I suppose you weren't around in the Use Your Illusion days.? Though never seeing them live but having several video and audio bootlegs, I can tell you that many nights the band simply phoned in their performances.? Several, in fact, i would put well below par.? You'd either having Axl sounding like he was shredding glass in his throat, Gilby off time, Slash ripped out his skull (though he still managed to do alright which amazes me), Duff just as loaded (I can't count how many times he butchered the bass line to Sweet Child) and as Axl mentioned in 2002, Izzy playing so bad that the stagecrew would often mute his amp.?

This isn't to say that the old band weren't amazing at times.? Several nights there wasn't a better band in the world, but I'd bet they'd all admit that that wasn't always the case.

So go easy on the new band.? Rehearsals and live are two different animals.

Cheers.

[robinfinckfan]

But if the band and Axl can not play those songs in a manner where the quality is high, I can not consider them a great band.

Hopefully they improve on their new songs for this upcoming tour.

As I've stated before, I think BBF is like a ball and chain holding back the potential of these songs in a live setting. His BH renditions on IRS and Better are cosmic jokes. At some point, BH(or someone else?) will replace him. He obviously has no long term future with the band. When people email him and ask him about his short term future with the band, he doesn't respond.

actualy i sent bumblefoot a email couple weeks ago about his future plans w/ gnr .

<< just wandering if your stay is going to be long term or not?

I'm in until they throw my ass out - lol

it was through myspace and he did respond in like 4 -5 days later

[jameslofton29]

Ask him now.

"I'm in until they throw my ass out" is a very general and unconfident response.

[robinfinckfan]

Ask him now.

"I'm in until they throw my ass out" is a very general and unconfident response.

Maybe not for you but,  I like bbf and it was good enough for me.