Based on what we have heard so far...

[madagas]

somebody shoot this poor bastard (Nesquick).....did your mother not love you enough?

[nesquick]

somebody shoot his poor bastard (Nesquick).....did your mother not love you enough?

WTF? stop insulting my mother. She has nothing to do with the topic.

[jarmo]

somebody shoot his poor bastard (Nesquick).....did your mother not love you enough?

No need to be that..... Mean.

He just likes repeating himself year after year after year.....



/jarmo

[journey]

Leave the mothers out of it!

[Bono]

I agree with Nesquick. None of the new guitar work other than the slow groovy one at the end of Better do a damn thing for me. Is it Robin who does the slow one at the end of Better? That's a cool little solo but every other solo on every other new song basically sounds average at best. nothing memorable in them at all. There's no guitar work on any of the new songs solo or not that jumps out at me and makes me think "wow! this kicks ass" That's my opinion.

[nesquick]

yes it's Robin, he saves his own song, lol. Don't forget the 1st TWAT solo also (also Robin). It's good.
Apart of that, All the Buckethead solos are catastrophy. Someone should force him to listen to David Gilmour, Mark Knopfler or Slash, he would learn how to put a minimum of emotion in his playing. I'm afraid he ruins the record. I'm pretty nervous and worried about that. I'm afraid people say "arrrghhh that shred sounds horrible this record is shit" and then CD blows... I really hope Axl knows what he is doing there. I hope the Buckethead's contribution will be extremely limited. He is the one who can completely ruin the record and destroy a decade of hard working on this album.

I've said everything I had to say about this. No Buckethead whining bashing anymore. I'm tired of that.
These are my last words on that. And I know it will probably make lots of people very happy! (lol)

Good night.

[WARose]

I've said everything I had to say about this.

yeah   numerous times

No Buckethead whining bashing anymore. I'm tired of that.

YOu are tired of it?   i guess everyone else was for the last two years allready anyways...

These are my last words on that. And I know it will probably make lots of people very happy! (lol)

you`re right about that...


you know everyone`s entitled to their opinion, but to think bucket`s contribution will do any harm to the succes of the record is simply paranoid... although i prefer robin`s solos  (he just rocks ) i notice that most people prefer the ones bucket created (which are awesome as well)....  you seem to ignore that fact...

but let`s keep it at that.....  until you write your first album review at least

[Kov]

Based on the new songs that we've heard so far (the leaks, the few other songs we have heard live, etc.), what would the reaction be to this music coming out from this band, if this was an unknown band??? I mean what if Guns N' Roses had never existed until now and this was going to be their first album... how would the general public\music fans react to this music??? Would everyone here still like the music as much as they do now, if this was a debut album??? Could it even be possible to create the kind of response that Appetite had created almost 20 years ago??? Would this music stand out to other music fans, compared to the other music that is released these days, without the past history of the GNR name??? Don't even think about the age of Axl or that he was much younger before or Slash or anyone else, I want opinions strictly based upon this new bands music.? Just imagine that this is a "normal" new band, that many people don't know about yet.? Of course we don't know all of the songs from CD yet, but I just wanted to hear some opinions based on the songs we know.? I'm trying to put in perspective how great or how poor these songs are, without the name Guns N' Roses, as we know it today.? Well, I was thinking about this a couple of days ago and I hope I explained my question well enough and any responses to it are appreciated.

I think it would be even easier if it would be a debut album, at least as far as the press goes.

Everyone compares nu-gnr to the old one.

[ppbebe]

everyone`s entitled to their opinion,

Yeah it's like the ege is more significant than bono in my opinion, I guess. And Achtung is no match for cd.

Lipfel put it well.
I can see IRS being the most copied song by guitar kids of the early 21st century.
Yep, IRS will make a modern day stairway to heaven.
Althought disimilar in aspect, the song has a feel of prayer, same to stairway. 

Better will come across as maybe a Smells Like Teen Spirit of today.

[Bono]

everyone`s entitled to their opinion,

Yeah it's like the ege is more significant than bono in my opinion, I guess. And Achtung is no match for cd.

Lipfel put it well.
I can see IRS being the most copied song by guitar kids of the early 21st century.
Yep, IRS will make a modern day stairway to heaven.
Althought disimilar in aspect, the song has a feel of prayer, same to stairway.?

Better will come across as maybe a Smells Like Teen Spirit of today.

I don't know about that. Many people feel The Edge is more significant than Bono and that's cool but what the hell is an "ege"?

As for the IRS and Better comparisons......  let's try and keep the predictions somewhat realistic. IRS the next Stairway to Heaven? C'mon. Better to change the musical landscape the way Teen Spirit did?  Where are these expectations coming from and how do yo guys justify them? there doesn't seem to be any common sense attatched to many of these comments.  Alot of you are setting yourselvess up for disapointment.

[ppbebe]

I don't know about that. Many people feel The Edge is more significant than Bono and that's cool but what the hell is an "ege"?

that's how an expert would spell his name, perhaps.

As for the IRS and Better comparisons......  let's try and keep the predictions somewhat realistic. IRS the next Stairway to Heaven? C'mon. Better to change the musical landscape the way Teen Spirit did?

I don't think a song would change a scene. The album Nevermind might have done that in a sort but not the song.
I refer to teenspirit because some people still don't see the over-the-edge bit as of a crucial significance to the better song.

Where are these expectations coming from and how do yo guys justify them? there doesn't seem to be any common sense attatched to many of these comments.  Alot of you are setting yourselvess up for disapointment.

How come we can be disappointed after having felt the damn songs already? unrealistic.
and Common sense?
Instead, use your own ears. Listen to your heart rather than quibbling of the swollen head.
No word would tell it better. If not, so be it. these songs are not for you.

I wonder
How long has it been since you were touched by a piece of music last?   
When was the last time you found yourself bouncing or vibrating with music or even shedding tears of delight? Or Is there anything that goes to your heart at all, other than souvenirs of the good old days?

Remember the sensibility you used to have when you were still pimple faced.

[Oh My Choking Soul]

Better will come across as maybe a Smells Like Teen Spirit of today.

Ummmm... nope. SLTS was never done before in mainstream music. Better is a great and original song, but not groundbreaking.

[Skinflick]

I don't know about that. Many people feel The Edge is more significant than Bono and that's cool but what the hell is an "ege"?

that's how an expert would spell his name, perhaps.

As for the IRS and Better comparisons......? let's try and keep the predictions somewhat realistic. IRS the next Stairway to Heaven? C'mon. Better to change the musical landscape the way Teen Spirit did?

I don't think a song would change a scene. The album Nevermind might have done that in a sort but not the song.
I refer to teenspirit because some people still don't see the over-the-edge bit as of a crucial significance to the better song.

Where are these expectations coming from and how do yo guys justify them? there doesn't seem to be any common sense attatched to many of these comments.? Alot of you are setting yourselvess up for disapointment.

How come we can be disappointed after having felt the damn songs already? unrealistic.
and Common sense?
Instead, use your own ears. Listen to your heart rather than quibbling of the swollen head.
No word would tell it better. If not, so be it. these songs are not for you.

I wonder
How long has it been since you were touched by a piece of music last?   
When was the last time you found yourself bouncing or vibrating with music or even shedding tears of delight? Or Is there anything that goes to your heart at all, other than souvenirs of the good old days?

Remember the sensibility you used to have when you were still pimple faced.

Haha...Holy shit!!!!ppbebe is one tough fucker.... anyway, the songs that give me an emotional high are ..BETTER....MADAGASCAR....THE BLUES....and, CATHER IN THE RYE.....yup...almost all of them....I do like em"

[Voodoochild]

How come we can be disappointed after having felt the damn songs already? unrealistic.

Funny.. I think all the doubts were nowhere in sight after the demos... I saw people freakin out with the quality of not only Axl's voice, but also the instrumental of TWAT and Better. Seems like it had time enough to people be back with the negative shit.

People like ppbebe and me will be pleased with the new album. Maybe not ALL of the songs, but the majority. And that's because we already know how good half of the album is gonna be.. We like the people in the band.. We're cool with the musical direction.

How long has it been since you were touched by a piece of music last?

February, 2006. When I listened to IRS demo in full stereo and cristal quality. I remember like a day before the leak we were talkin about trying to listen to some stuff on that crappy recording of the song... I was so amazed to finally listen to this song that... But what really touched my soul was what came right after..
   

When was the last time you found yourself bouncing or vibrating with music or even shedding tears of delight?

When I first heard the Better clip. The intro sounded very weird, I thought it was fake.. But when Axl started to sing "the hardest part this troubled heart" I was crying like a baby.

Fuckin' awesome song. It was a day that I'll never forget... I had like 30 people talkin' to me at the same time on msn, lol.

[charlesfosterkane]

i personally don't think the songs heard so far will prove to be the best on the album-- or, at least, the most provocative. that said, i think the general public would be more open to this music than many people on this board-- because the point is no longer the bluesy element or the slash element. its axl's childhood (elton, queen, zep etc) meeting up with the stuff he found in the 80s and 1990s (nin, nirvana, u2 etc). not a lick of aerosmith in sight. this won't be a 'guitar hero record' like appetite and that bothers a lot of people here. but i'd rather listen to a record like the new yeah yeah yeahs than a snakepit or uh velvet revolver album or some other album where the emphasis ... at least guitar wise... is on guitar solos or whatever... different ways of shaping sound, is all. 
i like a lot of the music coming out nowadays (jack white and radiohead especially) but i don't listen to most of what's popular and selling, so for all i know songs like madagascar and better are on the radio every five minutes. to me, tho, they are distinct, memorable, and moving-- the same impact on me that estranged and don't damn me had fifteen years ago.
i really don't think we've seen the best tho. i don't think rolling stone heard the best in '99 (i think they heard what we've heard). not by a long shot. i really don't.

[markreed]

I LOVE the new stuff and think it's miles ahead of their previous work. BUT we haven't heard the singles off the album yet (as Axl has said) - we've heard the "Estranged", but not the "November Rain". On the basis SOLELY of what I have heard I think we would have a great album lacking in killer hits.

[TrixAreForKids]

From what I've heard so far, I like.  It will be interesting to see if Fortus and Finck are unique enough to be recognized on the album, because you know BH is. 

[darkmonth]

That is the main reason GnR hit it big in the first place.  Its all about axls emotive singing style that makes guns n roses what it is.

Holy shit ... are you trying to start something?  That's antagonistic if ever I heard.  You KNOW that's not true.  As we all know, GnR was the sum of it's parts.

Axl's new band are making GREAT music.  But it's not phenomenal by any means.  I'm holding judgment on the stuff til the tunes come out on CD.

[robinfinckfan]

From what I've heard so far, I like.? It will be interesting to see if Fortus and Finck are unique enough to be recognized on the album, because you know BH is.?

Finck and Fortus are both amazing guitarist and I'm amazed by all the people that bash finck and Buckethead's emotion.
You can't play blues music and not be emotional about it. you can't fake that. you can be a bad guitar player and a bad blues player. Bucketheads style is not a emotional style but the fuckin guy plays that guitar and you can feel it.

TWAT outro jam is Guns N' Roses. Finck and Bucket are superb.

[russtcb]

From what I've heard so far, I like.  It will be interesting to see if Fortus and Finck are unique enough to be recognized on the album, because you know BH is. 

Finck and Fortus are both amazing guitarist and I'm amazed by all the people that bash finck and Buckethead's emotion.
You can't play blues music and not be emotional about it. you can't fake that. you can be a bad guitar player and a bad blues player. Bucketheads style is not a emotional style but the fuckin guy plays that guitar and you can feel it.

TWAT outro jam is Guns N' Roses. Finck and Bucket are superb.

We've all had these huge discussions about if and how much the album will sell, but this thread has brought up something more interesting to me: the respect issue.

Based on the demos we've heard, I'd have to say that I'm going to be heavily disappointed if Robin, Richard and Ron don't get covers of Guitar World and so on. That'd be nice to see them get respect for their hard work.