PlayStation 3

[-Jack-]

They have a point about Wii... Sales are being driven by the controller. But the graphics are awful compared to PS3 and 360... as soon as the controller hype wears down so will it's sales. It is destined to be Sony's red headed stepchild just as they were in the last two generations N64 v. PSOne and Gamecube v. PS2.

Nintendo should take a page from SEGA's book and drop hardware for Software development, the last console battle they won was the NES v. Sega Master System (which actually kicked ass but was poorly marketed)

Another thing that is never taken into consideration is that PS3 is also competing sales wise with the PS2 which still sells very well... as soon as the PS3 library catches up and the Blu Ray technology gets cheaper it will smoke the other "Next Gen" consoles.

People said the DS looked terrible compared to the PSP... and we all know how that ended. DS outsells PSP 3 to 1 in Japan... 2 to 1 in America. PSP has terrible software.. DS has great software.

PS3 still has a big chance.. but I don't think it's going to smoke the other guys this time around.

[bazgnr]

They have a point about Wii... Sales are being driven by the controller. But the graphics are awful compared to PS3 and 360... as soon as the controller hype wears down so will it's sales. It is destined to be Sony's red headed stepchild just as they were in the last two generations N64 v. PSOne and Gamecube v. PS2.

Nintendo should take a page from SEGA's book and drop hardware for Software development, the last console battle they won was the NES v. Sega Master System (which actually kicked ass but was poorly marketed)

Another thing that is never taken into consideration is that PS3 is also competing sales wise with the PS2 which still sells very well... as soon as the PS3 library catches up and the Blu Ray technology gets cheaper it will smoke the other "Next Gen" consoles.

But by the time that happens, how many people will own Wiis and 360s instead?

[pilferk]

 

No offense to Sony.. but wouldn't THEY want the PS3 to be an impulse buy too? Thats the most retarded shit. Like they would be complaining if it were the other way around.

And the fact that they consider 300$ (Wii and a game) an impulse buy...

The guy's a corporate shill....he gets PAID to spin shit to make them look better.

What would you expect?

The fact is the Wii is outselling the PS3 according to industry sales figures.  Sony can TRY to spin that any way they want, but I think everyone on the planet can see that's not a good thing for Sony....

[pilferk]

They have a point about Wii... Sales are being driven by the controller. But the graphics are awful compared to PS3 and 360... as soon as the controller hype wears down so will it's sales. It is destined to be Sony's red headed stepchild just as they were in the last two generations N64 v. PSOne and Gamecube v. PS2.

Nintendo should take a page from SEGA's book and drop hardware for Software development, the last console battle they won was the NES v. Sega Master System (which actually kicked ass but was poorly marketed)

Another thing that is never taken into consideration is that PS3 is also competing sales wise with the PS2 which still sells very well... as soon as the PS3 library catches up and the Blu Ray technology gets cheaper it will smoke the other "Next Gen" consoles.

Spoken like a true Sony fan.... 

I'm not sure why you think the "controller hype" will ever die down. That "hype" is something the PS3 and 360 can't (so far) replicate.....while they BOTH compete with each other on the whiz bang factor. Why is the innovative control scheme more likely to die down than the "HD graphics" hype.  Personally (and this is coming from a 25 year gamer) I prefer innovative gameplay, and good games, over whiz bang pretty graphics.  The graphics on the Wii (look at Zelda:TWP....a freaking Gamecube port!) are more than serviceable...even on my 50 inch DLP.

SO far, this is the Wii's main advantage: Their software library is better than the PS3's.  Why spend 500 or 600 bucks for Resistance?  Because that's really the only system seller right now.  At this moment, I'm using my 360, my Wii, and my PS2.  I'll buy a PS3 when they have enough exclusive, GOOD software to warrent the purchase.  That looks like it's a year away, at least.  Becuase til then there's just not enough exclusive software....and I already own a 360, so can buy the "cross platform" games on that system....and they look and play pretty much exactly the same.  And the Wii offers something up that neither the PS3, nor the 360, can.

On Nintendo's hardware war wins...well...you're not exactly right.  While it's splitting cunt hairs, to be sure, the SNES EVENTUALLY outsold the Genesis.  The Genesis held the lead for a very long time but at the very end of that gens war, the SNES won out....mostly because Nintendo was "in" for a year longer than Sega was (they'd moved on to the Saturn).

And the Wii is also competeing with the PS2....and the 360....and the original Xbox...and the Gamecube.  Just because the two products are both branded Sony doesn't make the PS2 any more of a factor in slowing down PS3 sales than it does with any other console.

You just can't look at what's happened with the PS3 and think it's a good thing for Sony.  More and more rumors are swirling that some sony exclusive titles are going cross platform.  Guitar Hero already has, Grand Theft Auto already has....rumor are that MGS will be next and that Final Fantasy and other Square/Enix products are not far behind.  Software publishers will go where the money is, and if Sony can't sell consoles....their exclusives are going to start walking to those who can.

[C0ma]

I see your point, Sony has a year before their library is up to snuff.. but once it is, the hardware is leaps an bounds better than 360 (which I own and love) and Wii (whose only competing hardware value is the Wii Controller (which I view as the "Nintendo Glove" of this generation)) I can't wait for "The Wizard the Next Generation" when a 32 year old Fred Savage takes his autistic 27 yearold brother (complete with his Nintedog Pug) to a National Video Game Convention to play in the Nintedo Tennis Open...

Sure Nintendo always has great games, which is why I would love to see them do what Sega did and focus on game production across multiple platforms. Zelda on 360 or the PS3 would make my year.

As far as SNES over taking the Sega Genesis... you said it yourself, It only accomplished that after Sega moved onto a newer platform. Thats like saying that a year after the release of 360 Sony PS2 tripled it's sales against the Original XBox... Of course they did... XBox sales went down due to 360 not PS2 gaining steam (although they were never behind)

Price will be down in time... as soon as BluRay gets cheaper. For the money if you were planing on adopting a Hi-Def Video format this is the cheapest route, even XBox 360 paired with it's HD-DVD Drive is 600 dollars.

Blu Ray brings up another good point. A properly designed PS3 game can take up as much as 50GB (and the drive is standard). That gives developers alot of room to work with to make huge steps forward and take advantage of the massive grapical and processing advantages that the system has. Wii doesn't have this option at all, and for 360 to accomplish this, they would require you buy the external drive. It has never been easy to sell a game that requires a major hardware add-on to a console (Sega CD...)

[pilferk]

I see your point, Sony has a year before their library is up to snuff.. but once it is, the hardware is leaps an bounds better than 360 (which I own and love) and Wii (whose only competing hardware value is the Wii Controller (which I view as the "Nintendo Glove" of this generation)) I can't wait for "The Wizard the Next Generation" when a 32 year old Fred Savage takes his autistic 27 yearold brother (complete with his Nintedog Pug) to a National Video Game Convention to play in the Nintedo Tennis Open...

Sure Nintendo always has great games, which is why I would love to see them do what Sega did and focus on game production across multiple platforms. Zelda on 360 or the PS3 would make my year.

As far as SNES over taking the Sega Genesis... you said it yourself, It only accomplished that after Sega moved onto a newer platform. Thats like saying that a year after the release of 360 Sony PS2 tripled it's sales against the Original XBox... Of course they did... XBox sales went down due to 360 not PS2 gaining steam (although they were never behind)

Price will be down in time... as soon as BluRay gets cheaper. For the money if you were planing on adopting a Hi-Def Video format this is the cheapest route, even XBox 360 paired with it's HD-DVD Drive is 600 dollars.

Blu Ray brings up another good point. A properly designed PS3 game can take up as much as 50GB (and the drive is standard). That gives developers alot of room to work with to make huge steps forward and take advantage of the massive grapical and processing advantages that the system has. Wii doesn't have this option at all, and for 360 to accomplish this, they would require you buy the external drive. It has never been easy to sell a game that requires a major hardware add-on to a console (Sega CD...)

Again, spoken like a true Sony fan...

The hardware might be leaps and bounds better on paper, but...so far....not better in practice.  360 games and PS3 games look fundamentally the same.  Heck, PS3 games (with the exception of Resistance) look like 360 launch games.  So until they prove their hardware actually PERFORMS better than the 360, the debate is sort of a moot point.

It kills the Wii hardware, true...and churns out very pretty pictures.  But the Wii is just fun to play.....and, once again, I'm not sure why you think the "novelty" will wear off.  I don't see any evidence of that.....in fact, I've seen, read, and heard just the opposite.  Heck, even Sony acknowledged it (sort of) with the Sixxaxis."

Fanboi dreams of Nintendo going software only are not going to make it so.  Sega did it because they had no choice (they were broke).  Nintendo is not even close to that point....and the Wii is outselling the PS3 largely on the strength of their first party offerings.  Why switch?

On the SNES/Genesis console war....the fact remains the SNES won that generation.  It's a documented fact.  It may be splitting cunt hairs, but it's true.  And using your comparison makes no sense (PS2 vs 360).  A generation is a generation....regardless of when one company moves on or not.

On Blu-Ray (or HD-DVD)...a) I'm not buying anything until the "VHS/Betamax" war is over.  "There can be only one", and until there is...any purchase is too risky.  b) I don't want (or need) my console to play movies.  I have a very serviceable (more than serviceable) Home Theater that does those duties.  I think forcing console buyers to pay for movie playing tech they may, or may not, want is sort of shooting Sony in the foot.

On PS3 games begin 50GB....it's overkill and padding, so far.  Look at Resistance:  Uncompressed textures (which actually SLOWS THINGS DOWN because there's not enough video ram to process them so they have to be compressed on the fly), padding, and very uneconomical use of the space. Yes, it allows for lots of growth...but so do advances in compression technology.  Again, until Sony proves the 50GB is actually of benefit, it's overkill and a waste of dollars being spent by the consumer.  So far, not one PS3 game has "required" 50Gb of space...they'd all fit on a double sided DVD.

Again, PS3 has lots of potential...but potential doesn't sell consoles.  And PS3 has a LONG way to go to realize that potential...and unless they do it pretty quick, they're going to be lagging behind the 360.  You agree...about a year for their lineup to get up to snuff...that leaves the 360 with a TWO year head start.  That's a lot of ground to make up...and publishers are not going to wait that long.

[C0ma]

Again, spoken like a true Sony fan...

Guilty as charged...

back to my last post, since typing it I think I'm on to something with "The Wizard the Next Generation"... could be the next big July 4th release (but the Glove would have to make a comeback)

Back to the glove I think that has to be in the top 2 "Bad Console Peripherals" next to the 10lb. Sega 3D Glasses that went with the master system. You had to have a neck like Lyle Alzado to play a game with those on.

[pilferk]

Again, spoken like a true Sony fan...

Guilty as charged...

back to my last post, since typing it I think I'm on to something with "The Wizard the Next Generation"... could be the next big July 4th release (but the Glove would have to make a comeback)

Back to the glove I think that has to be in the top 2 "Bad Console Peripherals" next to the 10lb. Sega 3D Glasses that went with the master system. You had to have a neck like Lyle Alzado to play a game with those on.

LOL...you ever try the "Virtual Boy"?  Talk about neck problems...and headaches.

[Borat]

Well my order is in, so hopefully i'll be playing my brand spanking new machine on march 23rd!

[bazgnr]

So stop back and give a review or opinion.  I still want to hear thoughts from someone who actually owns one of these...

[C0ma]

I own it...
Graphics are great... Game Library is sub par (for now)... Blu Ray Player is just as good as an $800 standalone unit.

The built in bluetooth allows for headset, keyboard, and mouse connections. Which go great with the built in browser and online play functionality.

The harddrive is easily swapped out for a larger model, It can be partitioned and dual booted if you wanted to take advantage of it for another reason (like a linux based media PC)

The system isn't for casual gamers at this point, to get your 600 dollars out of the system you have to understand that it is designed to be for more than a few hours a week of Madden or Call of Duty. Sony's intention was for a true media center (which leads to my only complaint... if that was their goal they should have allowed for video input to run a DVR) but it is great for streaming music or video (wireless builtin) from any machine in your home or from any internet site.

I say worth it... many will say not and they have very valid points.

[bazgnr]

Thanks for the info.  I truly had yet to find anyone I knew who had one, or someone who had first-hand experience.  How's the online end of the experience?

[The Chad Cometh]

Yeah I read this with real interest. You're the only person I know who has bought one of these. (including many of my "Sony" friends on another message board who are all waiting for the price to drop  )

I feel Sony blundered big time by making this a whole "media centre" as a great many people who just want a system that plays cool games will go to the 360 or Wii. The only people I can see getting all hyped up about it is real Sony fans, not the average gamer who sits on the fence.

[bazgnr]

Yeah I read this with real interest. You're the only person I know who has bought one of these. (including many of my "Sony" friends on another message board who are all waiting for the price to drop? )

I feel Sony blundered big time by making this a whole "media centre" as a great many people who just want a system that plays cool games will go to the 360 or Wii. The only people I can see getting all hyped up about it is real Sony fans, not the average gamer who sits on the fence.

I went with the 360 initially because of the Halo franchise, but then really took to the online experience...Xbox is top notch.  I've since added on the HD-DVD player to watch movies as well.  And the Wii?  That's just plain fun.  At this point, I have no reason to pay attention to the PS3.  But given that that's the one console I typically see available for sale at Wal Mart, I'm really curious at to what those who own one have to say...

[w.axl.rose]

Yeah I read this with real interest. You're the only person I know who has bought one of these. (including many of my "Sony" friends on another message board who are all waiting for the price to drop  )

now you know another person that bought one 

[Oddy]

to me the nintendo ds is the best console to be released in the last 5-10 years.

theres nothing like it.

[The Chad Cometh]

Yeah I read this with real interest. You're the only person I know who has bought one of these. (including many of my "Sony" friends on another message board who are all waiting for the price to drop  )

now you know another person that bought one 

Cool  ... do you own any other systems and how does it compare? 

btw ... I don't think the DS counts as a console.

Delays
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Remember a year ago when 360 came out and game magically started getting delayed for long periods of time?  Well guess what sony fans, it's payback time

MotorStorm, Bladestorm, and Fatal Intertia have all been delayed. MotorStorm has been pushed back to a March release, while Bladestorm and Fatal Inertia were due to release in March, but have been pushed back to Summer, making it unavailable for the European PS3 launch.

[Borat]

CONSOLD FAST
08/02/2007

ADVANCE orders for the much-awaited PlayStation 3 have broken all records with Woolworths reporting one bagged every 20 seconds yesterday.

Sony's state-of-the-art console is not in the shops until March 23 but Woolies, one of the first retailers to open its pre-order books, said it was staggered by sky-high demand.

Even though Brits will be paying ?125 more for the machine than their US counterparts, eager gamers were ordering the ?425 60GB model at the rate of three a minute.

Woolworths' head of games Gerry Berkley said: "It's the hottest gaming system since the PS2 launched in 2000 - demand will out strip supply."


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/money/city/tm_headline=consold-fast--&method=full&objectid=18591726&siteid=89520-name_page.html

[pilferk]

Yeah I read this with real interest. You're the only person I know who has bought one of these. (including many of my "Sony" friends on another message board who are all waiting for the price to drop  )

I feel Sony blundered big time by making this a whole "media centre" as a great many people who just want a system that plays cool games will go to the 360 or Wii. The only people I can see getting all hyped up about it is real Sony fans, not the average gamer who sits on the fence.

I went with the 360 initially because of the Halo franchise, but then really took to the online experience...Xbox is top notch.  I've since added on the HD-DVD player to watch movies as well.  And the Wii?  That's just plain fun.  At this point, I have no reason to pay attention to the PS3.  But given that that's the one console I typically see available for sale at Wal Mart, I'm really curious at to what those who own one have to say...

Last night I had a great experience with the Wii...and it was playing a 10 year old game.  Busted out Mario Kart 64 (available for 1000 points on the VC) with 3 of my friends.  We had a blast.

I can't believe how much fun I'm still having with Warioware, Trauma Center, Elebits, and even Zelda.  Heck, Wii Sports is still entertaining me, especially when the aforementioned friends pop over.

I have some hands on with the PS3 (about 5 or 6 hours worth, now, mostly with Resistance).  It just doesn't make me want to own it when I already have a 360.  I just don't see a real difference in features, it doesn't have enough exclusive titles to compel me to buy it, and the 360's on-line experience is VASTLY superior (IMHO).  The only thing, for me, the PS3 has going for it is Blu-Ray and Resistance.....and I don't care about Blu-Ray as of yet.    I'd bet that a year from now that will change, and I'll spring for a PS3; because that's when their library of exclusives will get to a "critical mass" (assuming that many of them don't, as is being rumored, change to cross-platform status), by the looks of things..

[anythinggoes]

CONSOLD FAST
08/02/2007

ADVANCE orders for the much-awaited PlayStation 3 have broken all records with Woolworths reporting one bagged every 20 seconds yesterday.

Sony's state-of-the-art console is not in the shops until March 23 but Woolies, one of the first retailers to open its pre-order books, said it was staggered by sky-high demand.

Even though Brits will be paying ?125 more for the machine than their US counterparts, eager gamers were ordering the ?425 60GB model at the rate of three a minute.

Woolworths' head of games Gerry Berkley said: "It's the hottest gaming system since the PS2 launched in 2000 - demand will out strip supply."


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/money/city/tm_headline=consold-fast--&method=full&objectid=18591726&siteid=89520-name_page.html

ill be going into my local shop for pre order tomorrow they knew me as i was the first name that registered interest all them months ago my only bugbear is ?425 thats a lotta money itd better be worth it