Just a thought - Things getting in the way.. CD

[codenameninja]

..this thread just might be useless, but like i said at the start *just a thought* 

During the making/creation of Chinese Democracy, back in 2002 Axl hit the stage in Rio and commented on various things and made a suggestion that various powers had tried to stop him from being there (or words to that effect). Obviously no one knows (except those in the know) what goes on behind the scenes in the Gn'R camp, but over the past years things have cropped that appear to be forms of stumbling blacks thrown in the direction of Gn'R.

I can't remember the exact order of events but..

1.The Hollywood Rose album appeared. Didn't Axl attempt to get it blocked? if so, that would have detracted his thoughts away from getting on with creating CD

2.Some web site showed up cliaming to have really old Gn'R recordings with plans of releaseing a cd. The site vanished and no more was heard. Again, did Axl have to stop CD and get involved in legal action.

3.Geffen pisses Axl off by releasing Guns n'Roses greatest hits. Didn't Axl attempt to block that too?

4.Slash said during an interview he had heard CD was due out in March 2006. CD never appeared. Who is to know, maybe it was going to appear in March, maybe just to show Slash how little he knows, Axl decided on a different release date just for the sake of it.

5.The latest news is that there is to be an album called Butchering The Beatles. Whats that about? Catcher in the Rye has tones of the Beatles about it. Making a rock album featurung Duff McKagan called Butchering The Beatles sounds like another behind the scenes joke.

Maybe all this is just coencidence 

[Alina]

maybe you right who knows , its? Axl Rose.

[lennonisgod]

What's this whole "Butchering the Beatles" rumor you are talking about?? I missed that one.

[Journeyman]

What's this whole "Butchering the Beatles" rumor you are talking about?? I missed that one.

me 2

[Origen]

What's this whole "Butchering the Beatles" rumor you are talking about?? I missed that one.

me 2

It's somethink Duff is involved in and has nothink to do with Axl or GnR.

codenameninja is simply paranoid 

[Tyson]

At this point, there are absolutely no exuses.  Release the damn thing!!

[Tomorrows]

WTF, all those "points" have either nothing to do with anyone in GNR (people outisde of the band releasing albums for their own reasons) or someone who hasnt talked to Axl in 10 years hearing that CD was due.

I wouldnt read too deeply.

[Kov]

As with any little news item in the GN'R world, some people see it as a "sign".

Gnronline was updated and some see that as a sign, Axl will be at the VMAs and some see it as a sign.

Then if nothing happens, who's fault will it be? Axl's!


/jarmo

Keep this in mind. It is not as complicated as you may think.

[GunnerRose]

How about this....

Axl never releases the album. However, he slowly releases new songs into the concert sets.
-This way...nobody can claim the album failed due to poor sales.

-Fans get their new music.( My Ipod already has enough new material for side 1

Everybody wins!

I know this is dumb theory

LJ

[RancidPunx]

I think the only thing stopping the release is Axl's fear of it bombing commercially. If that happens I think we can forget the second and third albums.

The issues you mentioned should be handled by Axl's lwayers.

Butchering the Beatles is a tribute and should have jackshit to do with CD being released. Pretty good tracklisting and Duff is involved too:
On October 24, 2006, Restless Records will release "Butchering The Beatles" ? featuring the biggest, the baddest, the heaviest all-star line-up ever assembled to honor what is arguably the greatest band ever ? THE BEATLES. All-in-all, over 50 internationally known recording artists bring their unique bone-crushing slant to these remarkable songs. Produced by Grammy award-winning producer/guitarist Bob Kulick and ace engineer Brett Chassen, "Butchering The Beatles" features 12 new, ass-kicking versions of THE BEATLES' chart-topping hits, including "Hey Jude", "I Feel Fine" and "Day Tripper", plus the more esoteric "Hey Bulldog", barked out by the legendary Alice Cooper and "Tomorrow Never Knows", uniquely interpreted by the iconic Billy Idol, alongside classic concept songs like "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" and "Magical Mystery Tour".

When asked by Guitar Player magazine what possessed him to go all metal on THE BEATLES, Bob Kulick stated that, "BEATLES songs are the Holy Grail. They're the best rock songs ever written. These new recordings are totally faithful, yet completely different. Billy Gibbons singing 'Revolution' or (MOT?RHEAD frontman) Lemmy singing 'Back In The USSR' are not exactly Paul McCartney or John Lennon. And of course, the guitar solo sections were lengthened to accommodate all the artists' solo styles."

"Butchering The Beatles" track listing:

01. "Hey Bulldog"

Alice Cooper - Vocals
Steve Vai - Guitars
Duff McKagen (VELVET REVOLVER / GUNS N' ROSES) - Bass
Mikkey Dee (MOT?RHEAD) - Drums

02. "Back In The USSR"

Lemmy Kilmister (MOT?RHEAD) - Vocals/Bass
John5 (MARILYN MANSON / ROB ZOMBIE) - Guitars
Eric Singer (KISS / ALICE COOPER) - Drums

03. "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds"

Geoff Tate (QUEENSR?CHE) - Vocals
Michael Wilton (QUEENSR?CHE) - Guitar
Craig Goldy (DIO) - Guitar
Rudy Sarzo (DIO) - Bass
Simon Wright (DIO) - Drums
Scott Warren (DIO) - Keys

04. "Tomorrow Never Knows"

Billy Idol - Vocals
Steve Stevens (BILLY IDOL) - Guitars
Blasko (OZZY OSBOURNE) - Bass
Brian Tichy (BILLY IDOL) - Drums

05. "Magical Mystery Tour"

Jeff Scott Soto (YNGWIE MALMSTEEN / SOUL SIRKUS) - Vocals
Yngwie Malmsteen (RISING FORCE / ALCATRAZZ) - Lead Guitar
Bob Kulick, (MEAT LOAF / PAUL STANLEY BAND) - Rhythm Guitar
Jeff Pilson (DOKKEN / FOREIGNER) - Bass
Frankie Banali (W.A.S.P. / QUIET RIOT) - Drums

06. "Revolution"

Billy Gibbons (ZZ Top) - Vocals / Guitar
Vivian Campbell (DEF LEPPARD) - Guitar
Mike Porcaro (TOTO) - Bass
Gregg Bisonnette (DAVID LEE ROTH / RINGO STARR BAND) - Drums
Joseph Fazzio (SUPERJOINT RITUAL) - Drums

07. "Day Tripper"

Jack Blades (NIGHT RANGER / DAMN YANKEES) - Vocals
Tommy Shaw (STYX / DAMN YANKEES) - Vocals
Doug Aldrich (WHITESNAKE / DIO) - Guitars
Marco Mendoza (WHITESNAKE / THIN LIZZY) - Bass
Virgil Donati (STEVE VAI / SOUL SIRKUS / PLANET X) - Drums

08. "I Feel Fine"

John Bush (ANTHRAX) - Vocals
Stephen Carpenter (DEFTONES) - Guitar
Mike Inez (OZZY OSBOURNE / ALICE IN CHAINS) - Bass
John Tempesta (THE CULT / TESTAMENT) - Drums

09. "Taxman"

Doug Pinnick (KING'S X) - Vocals
Steve Lukather (TOTO) - Guitar
Tony Levin (JOHN LENNON / PETER GABRIEL) - Bass
Steve Ferrone (ERIC CLAPTON / TOM PETTY) - Drums

10. "I Saw Her Standing There"

John Corabi (M?TLEY CR?E) - Vocals
Phil Campbell (MOT?RHEAD) - Guitar
C.C. Deville (POISON) - Guitar
Chris Chaney (JANE'S ADDICTION) - Bass
Kenny Aronoff (SMASHING PUMPKINS / JON BON JOVI) - Drums

11. "Hey Jude"

Tim "Ripper" Owens (JUDAS PRIEST / ICED EARTH) - Vocals
George Lynch (DOKKEN / LYNCH MOB) - Guitar
Bob Kulick (MEAT LOAF / PAUL STANLEY BAND) - Rhythm Guitar
Tim Bogert (VANILLA FUDGE / BECK / BOGERT & APPICE) - Bass
Chris Slade (AC/DC) - drums

12. "Drive My Car"

Kip Winger (WINGER) - Vocals
Bruce Kulick (KISS / GRAND FUNK) - Guitar
Tony Franklin (THE FIRM / WHITESNAKE) - Bass
Aynsley Dunbar (WHITESNAKE / JOURNEY) - Drums

[codenameninja]

What's this whole "Butchering the Beatles" rumor you are talking about?? I missed that one.

me 2

It's somethink Duff is involved in and has nothink to do with Axl or GnR.

codenameninja is simply paranoid 

we know it has nothing to do with Gn'R and Gn'R has no involvement in "Butchering the Beatles". It just seems bizarre or simply a coencidence that a bunch of old rockers want to have a get together and cover beatle songs only months after the leak of Catcher in the Rye, which many have said (including myself) to have overtones of the beatles about it 

..maybe these rockers were simply inspired by Catcher in the Rye 

[codenameninja]

WTF, all those "points" have either nothing to do with anyone in GNR (people outisde of the band releasing albums for their own reasons) or someone who hasnt talked to Axl in 10 years hearing that CD was due.

I wouldnt read too deeply.

Well they do. Axl got involved with blocking the Great Hits from being released, and while being involved with that action this would have had a knock on effect on Axl of not being able to work on CD as much as he would have liked to have done (less time, less motivation maybe) thus causing more delays 

[codenameninja]

I think the only thing stopping the release is Axl's fear of it bombing commercially. If that happens I think we can forget the second and third albums.

The issues you mentioned should be handled by Axl's lwayers.

Butchering the Beatles is a tribute and should have jackshit to do with CD being released. Pretty good tracklisting and Duff is involved too:
On October 24, 2006, Restless Records will release "Butchering The Beatles" ? featuring the biggest, the baddest, the heaviest all-star line-up ever assembled to honor what is arguably the greatest band ever ? THE BEATLES. All-in-all, over 50 internationally known recording artists bring their unique bone-crushing slant to these remarkable songs. Produced by Grammy award-winning producer/guitarist Bob Kulick and ace engineer Brett Chassen, "Butchering The Beatles" features 12 new, ass-kicking versions of THE BEATLES' chart-topping hits, including "Hey Jude", "I Feel Fine" and "Day Tripper", plus the more esoteric "Hey Bulldog", barked out by the legendary Alice Cooper and "Tomorrow Never Knows", uniquely interpreted by the iconic Billy Idol, alongside classic concept songs like "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" and "Magical Mystery Tour".

When asked by Guitar Player magazine what possessed him to go all metal on THE BEATLES, Bob Kulick stated that, "BEATLES songs are the Holy Grail. They're the best rock songs ever written. These new recordings are totally faithful, yet completely different. Billy Gibbons singing 'Revolution' or (MOT?RHEAD frontman) Lemmy singing 'Back In The USSR' are not exactly Paul McCartney or John Lennon. And of course, the guitar solo sections were lengthened to accommodate all the artists' solo styles."

"Butchering The Beatles" track listing:

01. "Hey Bulldog"

Alice Cooper - Vocals
Steve Vai - Guitars
Duff McKagen (VELVET REVOLVER / GUNS N' ROSES) - Bass
Mikkey Dee (MOT?RHEAD) - Drums

02. "Back In The USSR"

Lemmy Kilmister (MOT?RHEAD) - Vocals/Bass
John5 (MARILYN MANSON / ROB ZOMBIE) - Guitars
Eric Singer (KISS / ALICE COOPER) - Drums

03. "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds"

Geoff Tate (QUEENSR?CHE) - Vocals
Michael Wilton (QUEENSR?CHE) - Guitar
Craig Goldy (DIO) - Guitar
Rudy Sarzo (DIO) - Bass
Simon Wright (DIO) - Drums
Scott Warren (DIO) - Keys

04. "Tomorrow Never Knows"

Billy Idol - Vocals
Steve Stevens (BILLY IDOL) - Guitars
Blasko (OZZY OSBOURNE) - Bass
Brian Tichy (BILLY IDOL) - Drums

05. "Magical Mystery Tour"

Jeff Scott Soto (YNGWIE MALMSTEEN / SOUL SIRKUS) - Vocals
Yngwie Malmsteen (RISING FORCE / ALCATRAZZ) - Lead Guitar
Bob Kulick, (MEAT LOAF / PAUL STANLEY BAND) - Rhythm Guitar
Jeff Pilson (DOKKEN / FOREIGNER) - Bass
Frankie Banali (W.A.S.P. / QUIET RIOT) - Drums

06. "Revolution"

Billy Gibbons (ZZ Top) - Vocals / Guitar
Vivian Campbell (DEF LEPPARD) - Guitar
Mike Porcaro (TOTO) - Bass
Gregg Bisonnette (DAVID LEE ROTH / RINGO STARR BAND) - Drums
Joseph Fazzio (SUPERJOINT RITUAL) - Drums

07. "Day Tripper"

Jack Blades (NIGHT RANGER / DAMN YANKEES) - Vocals
Tommy Shaw (STYX / DAMN YANKEES) - Vocals
Doug Aldrich (WHITESNAKE / DIO) - Guitars
Marco Mendoza (WHITESNAKE / THIN LIZZY) - Bass
Virgil Donati (STEVE VAI / SOUL SIRKUS / PLANET X) - Drums

08. "I Feel Fine"

John Bush (ANTHRAX) - Vocals
Stephen Carpenter (DEFTONES) - Guitar
Mike Inez (OZZY OSBOURNE / ALICE IN CHAINS) - Bass
John Tempesta (THE CULT / TESTAMENT) - Drums

09. "Taxman"

Doug Pinnick (KING'S X) - Vocals
Steve Lukather (TOTO) - Guitar
Tony Levin (JOHN LENNON / PETER GABRIEL) - Bass
Steve Ferrone (ERIC CLAPTON / TOM PETTY) - Drums

10. "I Saw Her Standing There"

John Corabi (M?TLEY CR?E) - Vocals
Phil Campbell (MOT?RHEAD) - Guitar
C.C. Deville (POISON) - Guitar
Chris Chaney (JANE'S ADDICTION) - Bass
Kenny Aronoff (SMASHING PUMPKINS / JON BON JOVI) - Drums

11. "Hey Jude"

Tim "Ripper" Owens (JUDAS PRIEST / ICED EARTH) - Vocals
George Lynch (DOKKEN / LYNCH MOB) - Guitar
Bob Kulick (MEAT LOAF / PAUL STANLEY BAND) - Rhythm Guitar
Tim Bogert (VANILLA FUDGE / BECK / BOGERT & APPICE) - Bass
Chris Slade (AC/DC) - drums

12. "Drive My Car"

Kip Winger (WINGER) - Vocals
Bruce Kulick (KISS / GRAND FUNK) - Guitar
Tony Franklin (THE FIRM / WHITESNAKE) - Bass
Aynsley Dunbar (WHITESNAKE / JOURNEY) - Drums

Out if interest i will download Butchering the Beatles if only to check it out 
I just hope Axl don't get to hear it (BtB) and maybe decided to drop Catcher in the Rye from CD only to delay CD some more while they (Ax and the band) decide alternative track could replace Catcher on CD.

Then again, maybe Butchering the Beatles will sound shite and leave Axl laughing his socks off 

02. "Back In The USSR"
Lemmy Kilmister (MOT?RHEAD) - Vocals/Bass
John5 (MARILYN MANSON / ROB ZOMBIE) - Guitars
Eric Singer (KISS / ALICE COOPER) - Drums
.could be good with John5 playing on it 

[Chuzeville]

I wouldn't worry too much about this Beatles thing. First off all, Catcher In The Rye might be about John Lennon but I've been listening to the Beatles for years and I nothing in CITR reminds me of them. Duff's involvement in one song on this tribute album makes no difference.

About the title "Butcherning the beatles" :

[CAFC Nick]

Ah, William Campbell. It should be called "Butchering the Beatles and William Campbell"

Paul is Dead 

[Neemo]

none of that shit should have impacted the recording of the album...

[Tomorrows]

WTF, all those "points" have either nothing to do with anyone in GNR (people outisde of the band releasing albums for their own reasons) or someone who hasnt talked to Axl in 10 years hearing that CD was due.

I wouldnt read too deeply.

Well they do. Axl got involved with blocking the Great Hits from being released, and while being involved with that action this would have had a knock on effect on Axl of not being able to work on CD as much as he would have liked to have done (less time, less motivation maybe) thus causing more delays 

I doubt Axl attempting to block GH involved anything more than him sending an email to his lawyer.

[Gargh!]

Everyone but Paul is dead.

That sounds like a really good tribute album, I may just check it out... Interseting that nobody is doing Strawberry Fields or A Day In The Life.


But this really could never delay Chinese Democracy.  Almost every Oasis record has borderline plagarism of the Beatle's material, and how many tribute albums have been released while they've been around?

[codenameninja]

WTF, all those "points" have either nothing to do with anyone in GNR (people outisde of the band releasing albums for their own reasons) or someone who hasnt talked to Axl in 10 years hearing that CD was due.

I wouldnt read too deeply.

Well they do. Axl got involved with blocking the Great Hits from being released, and while being involved with that action this would have had a knock on effect on Axl of not being able to work on CD as much as he would have liked to have done (less time, less motivation maybe) thus causing more delays 

I doubt Axl attempting to block GH involved anything more than him sending an email to his lawyer.

That wasn't really point, my point was more along the lines of: Axl was at that time putting his efforts into working on Chinese Democracy, engaged in creative thoughts of taking his band in a new direction and possibly making a new sound. Then out of the blue, up pops Geffen with aims of releasing a Gn'R Greatest Hits album and in doing so would refresh joe public's mind with the sound of the 90's sounding Gn'R. Nothing wrong with that, except Axl didn't want that to happen (for what ever reason except the obvious). Having to compose emails to lawyers, wait for replies takes time and could have caused (creative) distractions. There's nothing worse than trying to be creative only to have *other stuff* burning away in the back of your mind.

[estrangedpaul]

WTF, all those "points" have either nothing to do with anyone in GNR (people outisde of the band releasing albums for their own reasons) or someone who hasnt talked to Axl in 10 years hearing that CD was due.

I wouldnt read too deeply.

Well they do. Axl got involved with blocking the Great Hits from being released, and while being involved with that action this would have had a knock on effect on Axl of not being able to work on CD as much as he would have liked to have done (less time, less motivation maybe) thus causing more delays?

I doubt Axl attempting to block GH involved anything more than him sending an email to his lawyer.

That wasn't really point, my point was more along the lines of: Axl was at that time putting his efforts into working on Chinese Democracy, engaged in creative thoughts of taking his band in a new direction and possibly making a new sound. Then out of the blue, up pops Geffen with aims of releasing a Gn'R Greatest Hits album and in doing so would refresh joe public's mind with the sound of the 90's sounding Gn'R. Nothing wrong with that, except Axl didn't want that to happen (for what ever reason). Having to compose emails to lawyers, wait for replies takes time and could have caused (creative) distractions. There's nothing worse than trying to be creative only to have *other stuff* burning away in the back of your mind.

Oh for god's sake, he's kept himself locked away for ten years. I don't think he' had enough going on in the back of his mind to be honest. You want something pissing him off, emotions breed creativity. Given the length of time he has been working on CD, the short time wasted on the greatest hits is insignificant. Catcher in the Rye and Butchering being released the same year isn't even a coincidence. They're totally unconnected. In your original post you quoted Axl as saying people have done everything possible to stop him progressing. So what, you think all them boys came together to record a Beatles cover album to piss off Axl and delay CD? Your being rediculous. This isn't the first beatles cover album you know. There is probably one released every year. It just so happens that Duff plays on this one. Big deal. Catcher In The Rye is not a beatles cover version, it's about John Lennon's death. There isn't even a vague connection between CITR and BTB,