Robin and Izzy

[the dirt]

Its the same thing with Brain.? He never played YCBM right and nobody on this board would admit it, until Frank stepped in, did it right, then everyone was happy with Frank and forgot about Brain.

Nobody on this board would admit it... ? ?I basically started the Brain butchering YCBM movement.

[Lucky]

Yes, all signs point to him writing, but since he has never written in the past, until there is 100% I'm not going to praise him or say he is "more GNR than Slash was".? Its laughable how you can praise someone over 6 songs compared to 4 full cds of work (3 being original) and an EP.

there wouldn't be so many new vs old arguements if the "new" fans didn't try to piss on the legacy of the old band.? if you view these as two seperate bands and pretend they aren't named GNR, they are both amazing....


I'm done for now...

 

damn right!

[JustWckd]

Its the same thing with Brain.  He never played YCBM right and nobody on this board would admit it, until Frank stepped in, did it right, then everyone was happy with Frank and forgot about Brain.

Nobody on this board would admit it...    I basically started the Brain butchering YCBM movement.

Well there was like 4 or 5 of us, but the majority far and away outweighed us...

[CAFC Nick]

It's pretty obvious from listening to TWAT what part are Bucket's and Robin's. I'm not gonna say I'm the best guitarist in the world because I'm still learning, but on my first listen it was evident what was played by Robin and Bucket. Lets face it, the two of them have the most contrasting styles, it doesn't take a genius to work out who played what on that song.

[Voodoochild]

Yes, all signs point to him writing, but since he has never written in the past, until there is 100% I'm not going to praise him or say he is "more GNR than Slash was".

So, doesn't look that stupid now, huh? You can keep denying, if it's ok for you. I just don't know why are you trying so hard to deny it.

For what is worth, he wrote two lead/solos guitar tracks in Ghosts Of Mars Soundtrack, so yes, he indeed wrote something (good, BTW) in the past, lol.

About the "He's more GN'R than Slash", I guess that was just a matter of time frame in the band. Don't need to read that much into that.

Its laughable how you can praise someone over 6 songs compared to 4 full cds of work (3 being original) and an EP.

It's laughable how you don't think people could just like him for what he have been done. Also, there's the live gigs where Robin adds his style... You don't have to like it, but there's a lot of people who disagree with you and its just their opinions.

there wouldn't be so many new vs old arguements if the "new" fans didn't try to piss on the legacy of the old band.  if you view these as two seperate bands and pretend they aren't named GNR, they are both amazing....

I don't think anyone is pissing on the old band. Again, I think you're making a big deal of that... And that's not a reason to try to make Robin look bad as you did above. If you think this new band is amazing, why bash one of its most important musicians?

I'm done for now...

I'm glad, thank you.

[jarmo]

I said, IT DOESNT MATTER IF I'VE HEARED THEM PLAY. What matters is that I've never heared OF them.
they might have sold records as a part of a band, but as a musician/person they are UNKNOWN.
NORMAL people dont know about them. they are not known outside the world of cyber nerds such as our sealves.
ordinary people only know the frontman of those bands, and dont bother to read the bios.
ordinary people are the ones that count.

Those same people probably can't tell you who plays drums, bass or rhythm guitar on AFD. I guess it makes Steven, Duff and Izzy UNKNOWN too? ?

You were the one who said less than ten people here would know of them, not me! Don't try to change the fact. I'm saying there's some GN'R fans who were into The Replacements, Nine Inch Nails, Primus, Tool or whatever, and therefore knew of the guy(s) when they joined GN'R.

So chances are more than ten people thought "Tommy Stinson? Cool, he was in the Replacements!" when they heard he had joined GN'R....



/jarmo

[Kujo]

tell me the name of the bass player for alice cooper in the period 1979-1983.
NOBODY not even alice cooper knows that.

Kenny Passarelli
David Hungate
John Pierce
Dee Murray
Lee Skiar

[Lucky]

I said, IT DOESNT MATTER IF I'VE HEARED THEM PLAY. What matters is that I've never heared OF them.
they might have sold records as a part of a band, but as a musician/person they are UNKNOWN.
NORMAL people dont know about them. they are not known outside the world of cyber nerds such as our sealves.
ordinary people only know the frontman of those bands, and dont bother to read the bios.
ordinary people are the ones that count.

Those same people probably can't tell you who plays drums, bass or rhythm guitar on AFD. I guess it makes Steven, Duff and Izzy UNKNOWN too? ?

You were the one who said less than ten people here would know of them, not me! Don't try to change the fact. I'm saying there's some GN'R fans who were into The Replacements, Nine Inch Nails, Primus, Tool or whatever, and therefore knew of the guy(s) when they joined GN'R.

So chances are more than ten people thought "Tommy Stinson? Cool, he was in the Replacements!" when they heard he had joined GN'R....



/jarmo

ok. we can go on like this for ever.
there's one way to clear this.

can I start a poll "did you know about Tommy Stinson before he joined GNR"
with out being karma-d for spamming?


I personally had no idea of him or the replacements.
I've been a finck fan long before he joined GNR, and I've known of buckethead, but everybody else in the band was practically unknown to me (and I bet to most of the people)

tell me the name of the bass player for alice cooper in the period 1979-1983.
NOBODY not even alice cooper knows that.

Kenny Passarelli
David Hungate
John Pierce
Dee Murray
Lee Skiar

are those the bass players, or ALL people that know who was playing bass for cooper in that era?

[jarmo]

but everybody else in the band was practically unknown to me (and I bet to most of the people)

Not all of them were as known as Tommy, nobody's debating that.




/jarmo

[strohs]

Its the same thing with Brain.  He never played YCBM right and nobody on this board would admit it, until Frank stepped in, did it right, then everyone was happy with Frank and forgot about Brain.

Nobody on this board would admit it...    I basically started the Brain butchering YCBM movement.

im really sick of this shit about brain not being able to play YCBM right, this guy is way better than anyone ever in the band, he just plays the fucking song different

[Kujo]

are those the bass players, or ALL people that know who was playing bass for cooper in that era?

Both

[Locomotive98]

I said, IT DOESNT MATTER IF I'VE HEARED THEM PLAY. What matters is that I've never heared OF them.
they might have sold records as a part of a band, but as a musician/person they are UNKNOWN.
NORMAL people dont know about them. they are not known outside the world of cyber nerds such as our sealves.
ordinary people only know the frontman of those bands, and dont bother to read the bios.
ordinary people are the ones that count.

Those same people probably can't tell you who plays drums, bass or rhythm guitar on AFD. I guess it makes Steven, Duff and Izzy UNKNOWN too? ?

You were the one who said less than ten people here would know of them, not me! Don't try to change the fact. I'm saying there's some GN'R fans who were into The Replacements, Nine Inch Nails, Primus, Tool or whatever, and therefore knew of the guy(s) when they joined GN'R.

So chances are more than ten people thought "Tommy Stinson? Cool, he was in the Replacements!" when they heard he had joined GN'R....



/jarmo

Good for you lot who knew who these guys were when they joined the band. Anyone know who Fortus was? Or did you cheat and look in the NSync sleevenotes? I notice nobody has mentioned him.

As for Pitman being in Tool - I've loved Tool for years and didnt know that he was 'executive button presser' or whatever on Third Eye until it was mentioned on here. ?

Im sure what alerted you to these guys' work were the revelations 'Nine Inch Nails Guitarist Robin Finck joins Guns N Roses' or 'Primus drummer Brain joins Guns N Roses' that were announced at the time.
 

[Lucky]

but everybody else in the band was practically unknown to me (and I bet to most of the people)

Not all of them were as known as Tommy, nobody's debating that.




/jarmo

I dont see why we turned this into a tommy debate.
I think we're all off topic.
but I think that band members are fairly no-names compared to some other possible choices.

the 99 band was made of well known names.
dave navarro and josh are among the better known people in their domain.
but you cant compare how well known finck is to navarro, or how well ?known brain is compared to josh.

I must admit that I dont know many bass players at all, but I guess few people would say that Fortus is one of the greatest/most famous bass players in the world.

Chris Pittman - we dont even know for sure if his name is "Pitman" or "Pittman" - he's not a no-name. he's a dont-know-name

Fortus - I admit I knew that there was a guy that plays for N'SYNC but I never, in my wildest dreams wanted to know anything about him before he joined GNR.

I bet anything that most of the people fell like this, but there's some need around here to kill anyone that has even a slightly critical oppinion.

I love the band. I dont cry for the 90s (maybe I would like to see buckethead back), but I dont see what's with the need to think that they are best at everything?!

[the dirt]

Its the same thing with Brain.? He never played YCBM right and nobody on this board would admit it, until Frank stepped in, did it right, then everyone was happy with Frank and forgot about Brain.

Nobody on this board would admit it...? ? I basically started the Brain butchering YCBM movement.

im really sick of this shit about brain not being able to play YCBM right, this guy is way better than anyone ever in the band, he just plays the fucking song different

Well if this the case, it JUST DOESN"T SOUND GOOD. It doesn't call for what he does.

[the dirt]

I must admit that I dont know many bass players at all, but I guess few people would say that Fortus is one of the greatest/most famous bass players in the world.

Was this intentional? 

[madagas]

Lucky, what instrument does Tommy play?

[ppbebe]

drums.

edit: cello

[Locomotive98]

Lucky, what instrument does Tommy play?

See even Lucky doesnt know who does what.

Point proven. ?

[the dirt]

drums.

And here I was picking on the wrong guy all this time 

[strohs]

Its the same thing with Brain.  He never played YCBM right and nobody on this board would admit it, until Frank stepped in, did it right, then everyone was happy with Frank and forgot about Brain.

Nobody on this board would admit it...    I basically started the Brain butchering YCBM movement.

im really sick of this shit about brain not being able to play YCBM right, this guy is way better than anyone ever in the band, he just plays the fucking song different

Well if this the case, it JUST DOESN"T SOUND GOOD. It doesn't call for what he does.

he plays how he want's to play Axl dont care clearly

also, Duff was suppose to come up with the intro to YCBM if you think that Brain can't outplay Duff on the drums then, whatever