Robin and Izzy

[madagas]

Lucky, from the biggest music newsite in the US-BILLBOARD, just yesterday
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002986769

Nobody knows about Tommy? He is VERY well known in the music industry and in the history of American rock and roll....no mention of Gnr in that article....

[Lucky]

The thing is, I bet a lot of the Replacements fans dont even know that Tommy is in guns n roses.? ?Like wise with people that knew of Robin.? The biggest name was Buckethead, he had publicity whilst he was in the band.? To a small extent I see that happening with bumblefoot now, but not with the others.

well Finck better find someone to give him a blowjob on stage if he wants to be in the magazines

[wells]

Objective new GNR fans are nearly non existant...

You described yourself just great  .

hey I can't wait for this album.  I'd kill for a studio version of Madagascar.  But I can admit that Axl sounded like shit in 02, during 02 I admitted that.  I can admit negative aspects about the band but that doesn't make me less of a fan.  If anything it makes you more of a fan to have an objective opinion instead of blindly following the herd.

Criticism on this board is taken as a negative. If it ain't positive it gets moved to the Dead Horse or locked.  I'm a huge fan of Finck when he was in NIN (NIN is my 3rd favorite band behind GNR and Tool) but I hate him in GNR.  I wish Axl would just go with Thal on lead and Fortus on rhthym...

Some of us just enjoy what we have...

I said it to myself many times that I am not going down that road ever again, but... It is amazing. People complain they are not a band, but hired hands. People complain that Mr. Finck and Mr. Brain are not good enough. Huh, I don't get it; are they a band or hired hands? Hired hands? Wow, Mr. Rose is so wasted and no one wants to play with him so he has bad hired hands in the band . Funny, but all those objective GNR fans would stop all the complaints about Mr. Finck and Mr. Brain if they were Slash and Adler. No matter of their playing skills. 

You say you will wait with your judgement about Mr. Finck until record comes out and just after you say thay you hate him in GNR.

You say Mr. Brain doesn't know to play YCBM intro and how we all forget about Mr. Brain when Mr. Frank played it... oh, really? Mr. Frank is great. He did it great. But he is just a hired hand. Mr. Brain is Guns N Roses. So is Mr. Finck.

All together they create and play music. Mr. Rose could get anyone to be a hired hand. He didn't. He made a choice and that choice is current line-up. All of them are special in a way to him, if not to you. But it is not your band (GNR) so who cares...

Some of us just enjoy what we have...

[Lucky]

Lucky, from the biggest music newsite in the US-BILLBOARD, just yesterday
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002986769

Nobody knows about Tommy? He is VERY well known in the music industry and in the history of American rock and roll....no mention of Gnr in that article....

that doesnt mean a thing.
I also found this article there.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002986554
still I have no idea who these people are.
most people think the same about Stinson.

And USA is not the world. how the fuck are people in europe suposed to know about "Replacements"

[Kujo]

And USA is not the world. how the fuck are people in europe suposed to know about "Replacements"

The same way we know about The Sex Pistols.

[JustWckd]

Objective new GNR fans are nearly non existant...

You described yourself just great  .

hey I can't wait for this album.  I'd kill for a studio version of Madagascar.  But I can admit that Axl sounded like shit in 02, during 02 I admitted that.  I can admit negative aspects about the band but that doesn't make me less of a fan.  If anything it makes you more of a fan to have an objective opinion instead of blindly following the herd.

Criticism on this board is taken as a negative. If it ain't positive it gets moved to the Dead Horse or locked.  I'm a huge fan of Finck when he was in NIN (NIN is my 3rd favorite band behind GNR and Tool) but I hate him in GNR.  I wish Axl would just go with Thal on lead and Fortus on rhthym...

Some of us just enjoy what we have...

I said it to myself many times that I am not going down that road ever again, but... It is amazing. People complain they are not a band, but hired hands. People complain that Mr. Finck and Mr. Brain are not good enough. Huh, I don't get it; are they a band or hired hands? Hired hands? Wow, Mr. Rose is so wasted and no one wants to play with him so he has bad hired hands in the band . Funny, but all those objective GNR fans would stop all the complaints about Mr. Finck and Mr. Brain if they were Slash and Adler. No matter of their playing skills. 

You say you will wait with your judgement about Mr. Finck until record comes out and just after you say thay you hate him in GNR.

You say Mr. Brain doesn't know to play YCBM intro and how we all forget about Mr. Brain when Mr. Frank played it... oh, really? Mr. Frank is great. He did it great. But he is just a hired hand. Mr. Brain is Guns N Roses. So is Mr. Finck.

All together they create and play music. Mr. Rose could get anyone to be a hired hand. He didn't. He made a choice and that choice is current line-up. All of them are special in a way to him, if not to you. But it is not your band (GNR) so who cares...

Some of us just enjoy what we have...

First of all, whats up with all the Mister's? 

Second of all, I believe I said I would withhold my judgment on Finck's WRITING skills until Cd comes out.  As far as a live player for a rock n roll band, I don't like him at all.

So if Mr. Frank plays the US shows and nothing is said about Brain, is Brain still GNR or is Frank now GNR?  I'll bet anything if Frank keeps playing, we'll see Frank is GNR posts and how much better he is for the band than Brain.  Its what this board does.  I've been on it for almost 4 years now, I think, I used to lurk.....This band goes as Axl goes, not as Finck, Pittman or any other player goes...

[Neemo]

i never heard of the replacements either I thought they were the guys who did the Freinds theme song I have still never heard a Replacements song ...and once people said that Bucket and brain were from Primus and Robin was from NIN I was like OK cool and I just clued in recently who Fortus played for (Furs) but have only heard one tune off a soundtrack

I knew Pittman from TooL that's it and everybody i tell about the band is the same way when i name off the members to them

*EDIT* and i consider myself pretty knowledgable about music too...

[Lucky]

And USA is not the world. how the fuck are people in europe suposed to know about "Replacements"

The same way we know about The Sex Pistols.

Pistols were the world known band.
replacements were known only among punks in the states.

we're not to blame because replacements never got a record deal over the atlantic.

[jarmo]

that doesnt mean a thing.

Of course not. Anything that proves you're wrong about these "unknown" musicians won't mean a thing.

The fact that they played in bands that sold lots of albums and played all over the world doesn't mean shit because you never heard of them. ?

If you only listen to 80s hair metal, chances are you won't have heard of these guys...



/jarmo

[Jim Bob]

on may 17th during Patience, they stood right next to each other facing each other for about half of the song.  And yes Robin IS GNR 

[Lipfel]

How can Robin be more GNR than Slash when we can actually hear Slash's contributions on 4 full length CDs and an EP???

Until we see the linear notes on CD we have no idea what Robin has done.? "Better" could be his ONLY contribution for all you know.?

Some of you are so fucking ridiculous in the way you worship the new members and bash the old ones.? If it weren't for Slash, Robin couldn't butcher his songs on stage. Robin is the least talented guitarist in the new band and he gets sack ridden more than anybody.? ?Its crazy...

he wrote the part of the blues, he has his guitar through most of chinese democracy, he's the one playing on most of twat.

Show me something that proves he wrote part of the Blues.? I remember back in 2002 that Zakk Wylde said the Blues was from 1996 when he was in the band...? Chinese Democracy is the most NIN type song we have heard (besides OMG) and that is what Robin can play.

And if you think Robin is doing the outro of TWAT or the 2nd solo.....most of you guys don't play guitar so you probably can't distinguish between players....

It's funny that you mention the guitar thing, because you're wrong in everything....

The Blues was confirmed by Robins Webmaster

Chinese Democracy was written by Josh Freese (maybe not all, but certainly the mainriff)

There Was A Time is all Robin until 4:22

[Voodoochild]

Ok, I can't believe how much bullshit I readed here...

- Zakk didn't wrote anything on The Blues. There was a fake interview with him and people repeats this claim as its true. Robin's webmaster even answered someone that Robin indeed wrote The Blues solo.

- Axl told the NY crowd about Better that "people will be pissed off, but this is a Robin song" - or something like that. I think that means he wrote the music and Axl the lyrics. It's pretty obvious the real meaning.

- Chinese Democracy's riff was wrote by Josh Freese. I guess there's a source to confirm this on HTGTH main site.

- Robin is all over the new songs played live and the demos (besides CITR's solos). It's not that hard to notice.

You can talk about opinion... You can say you don't like the guy. But deny his contribution in the new songs is pretty much baseless bitching, IMO.

[Voodoochild]

Ok, Lipfel beat me, but he's 100% right. And he plays guitar too, so do I.

[JustWckd]

How can Robin be more GNR than Slash when we can actually hear Slash's contributions on 4 full length CDs and an EP???

Until we see the linear notes on CD we have no idea what Robin has done.  "Better" could be his ONLY contribution for all you know. 

Some of you are so fucking ridiculous in the way you worship the new members and bash the old ones.  If it weren't for Slash, Robin couldn't butcher his songs on stage. Robin is the least talented guitarist in the new band and he gets sack ridden more than anybody.   Its crazy...

he wrote the part of the blues, he has his guitar through most of chinese democracy, he's the one playing on most of twat.

Show me something that proves he wrote part of the Blues.  I remember back in 2002 that Zakk Wylde said the Blues was from 1996 when he was in the band...  Chinese Democracy is the most NIN type song we have heard (besides OMG) and that is what Robin can play.

And if you think Robin is doing the outro of TWAT or the 2nd solo.....most of you guys don't play guitar so you probably can't distinguish between players....

It's funny that you mention the guitar thing, because you're wrong in everything....

The Blues was confirmed by Robins Webmaster

Chinese Democracy was written by Josh Freese (maybe not all, but certainly the mainriff)

There Was A Time is all Robin until 4:22

Link...email for proof....

again, link...email for proof whatever you have to confirm this

Really?  Robin tell you? or Axl?  Buckethead tell you that at 4:22 he started writign b/c Robin passed out or something???

[JustWckd]

Ok, I can't believe how much bullshit I readed here...

- Zakk didn't wrote anything on The Blues. There was a fake interview with him and people repeats this claim as its true. Robin's webmaster even answered someone that Robin indeed wrote The Blues solo.

- Axl told the NY crowd about Better that "people will be pissed off, but this is a Robin song" - or something like that. I think that means he wrote the music and Axl the lyrics. It's pretty obvious the real meaning.

- Chinese Democracy's riff was wrote by Josh Freese. I guess there's a source to confirm this on HTGTH main site.

- Robin is all over the new songs played live and the demos (besides CITR's solos). It's not that hard to notice.

You can talk about opinion... You can say you don't like the guy. But deny his contribution in the new songs is pretty much baseless bitching, IMO.

Thanks for clearing up the Blues.  But Robin may be all over the new tracks but how the hell does anyone know what he WROTE?!?!  I'm not disputing his playing on the tracks, I'm disputing that he wrote everything.  NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING

[Jim Bob]

Really?  Robin tell you? or Axl?  Buckethead tell you that at 4:22 he started writign b/c Robin passed out or something???

you can watch the may 12th dvd and see for yourself.   

[Lucky]

that doesnt mean a thing.

Of course not. Anything that proves you're wrong about these "unknown" musicians won't mean a thing.

The fact that they played in bands that sold lots of albums and played all over the world doesn't mean shit because you never heard of them. ?

If you only listen to 80s hair metal, chances are you won't have heard of these guys...



/jarmo

dude, you are one tough guy to talk to.
are you blind or are you ignoring parts of my posts on purpose.

I said, IT DOESNT MATTER IF I'VE HEARED THEM PLAY. What matters is that I've never heared OF them.
they might have sold records as a part of a band, but as a musician/person they are UNKNOWN.
NORMAL people dont know about them. they are not known outside the world of cyber nerds such as our sealves.
ordinary people only know the frontman of those bands, and dont bother to read the bios.
ordinary people are the ones that count.


tell me the name of the bass player for alice cooper in the period 1979-1983.
NOBODY not even alice cooper knows that.
the guy is a no-name! No matter how alice cooper's band was famous back then.


ordinary people dont even know of Dizzy Reed, and he's the keyboard player for GNR.
only people that are into keyboards, and GNR know that.
same goes for every other band.

only people that were into NIN/manson might know of finck
only people that were into "replacements" knew of stinson
only people that were into "tool" knew of pittman (and I've meet a lot of people that are into tool and dont know of him)

[JustWckd]

Really?  Robin tell you? or Axl?  Buckethead tell you that at 4:22 he started writign b/c Robin passed out or something???

you can watch the may 12th dvd and see for yourself.   

I WATCHED him PLAY it.  He did GREAT on the NEW songs. BUT HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET THAT HE WROTE IT FROM WATCHING HIM PLAY IT?!?!?!


MY GOD,  this is just flying over all your heads cuz you don't want to admit that you don't know what Robin did or did not write...

[Voodoochild]

Ok, listen to '99 version of TWAT, without Bucket.

All you want is a proof for the obvious answer. Why don't you prove that he didn't wrote it?

[Lipfel]

How can Robin be more GNR than Slash when we can actually hear Slash's contributions on 4 full length CDs and an EP???

Until we see the linear notes on CD we have no idea what Robin has done.? "Better" could be his ONLY contribution for all you know.?

Some of you are so fucking ridiculous in the way you worship the new members and bash the old ones.? If it weren't for Slash, Robin couldn't butcher his songs on stage. Robin is the least talented guitarist in the new band and he gets sack ridden more than anybody.? ?Its crazy...

he wrote the part of the blues, he has his guitar through most of chinese democracy, he's the one playing on most of twat.

Show me something that proves he wrote part of the Blues.? I remember back in 2002 that Zakk Wylde said the Blues was from 1996 when he was in the band...? Chinese Democracy is the most NIN type song we have heard (besides OMG) and that is what Robin can play.

And if you think Robin is doing the outro of TWAT or the 2nd solo.....most of you guys don't play guitar so you probably can't distinguish between players....

It's funny that you mention the guitar thing, because you're wrong in everything....

The Blues was confirmed by Robins Webmaster

Chinese Democracy was written by Josh Freese (maybe not all, but certainly the mainriff)

There Was A Time is all Robin until 4:22

Link...email for proof....

again, link...email for proof whatever you have to confirm this

Really?? Robin tell you? or Axl?? Buckethead tell you that at 4:22 he started writign b/c Robin passed out or something???

I don't waste my time looking for proof to you, because you wouldn't believe me anyway, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who can tell you the same...
And about There Was A Time... I thought you were such a good guitar player? You don't hear that it's not Buckethead? Oh, and maybeit would be a good 7 minutes for you to watch the Hammerstein performance of this song, it clearly shows, who's playing what...