Robin and Izzy

[Kujo]

Since we are getting into the area of opinions, lets agree to disagree.

I knew who these guys were before they joined GnR so I dont consider them "no-names", but I know not everyone will have that same opinion.

You, and many others, didn't know them, and so to you they are "no-names", just dont assume everyone feels the same way.
 

[JustWckd]

How can Robin be more GNR than Slash when we can actually hear Slash's contributions on 4 full length CDs and an EP???

Until we see the linear notes on CD we have no idea what Robin has done.  "Better" could be his ONLY contribution for all you know. 

Some of you are so fucking ridiculous in the way you worship the new members and bash the old ones.  If it weren't for Slash, Robin couldn't butcher his songs on stage. Robin is the least talented guitarist in the new band and he gets sack ridden more than anybody.   Its crazy...

[Lucky]

Since we are getting into the area of opinions, lets agree to disagree.

I knew who these guys were before they joined GnR so I dont consider them "no-names", but I know not everyone will have that same opinion.

You, and many others, didn't know them, and so to you they are "no-names", just dont assume everyone feels the same way.
 

this is not a question of an oppinion.
it's a question of statistic.
make a poll, and you'd see that no more than 10 members around here knew who these guys were before they joined the band.
and we are suposed to be the enthusiasts, that care for shit like that.
imagine how little people outside the internet world know about any of these guys?!

people that were into nin were into Trent and maybe Vrenna. nobody gave a fuck about robin and the other guys that played live because they were only hired guns.
Primus... not many people even listen to primus, and knowing about their drummer would be a 64 000 dollars question.
Buckethead... probably most well known of the bunch, is only known about real guitar enthusiasts/cartoon fans/chickens.
stinson... first time I've heard that he was from replacement, I tought he was a temp. replacement in the band for duff
fortus... the guy who played with britney, nsync... I bet not one fan of nsync of britney knows who fortus is. how the fuck would anyone else know about him?
pittman... dont make me lough.

they are no-names!!!

[Lucky]

How can Robin be more GNR than Slash when we can actually hear Slash's contributions on 4 full length CDs and an EP???

Until we see the linear notes on CD we have no idea what Robin has done.? "Better" could be his ONLY contribution for all you know.?

Some of you are so fucking ridiculous in the way you worship the new members and bash the old ones.? If it weren't for Slash, Robin couldn't butcher his songs on stage. Robin is the least talented guitarist in the new band and he gets sack ridden more than anybody.? ?Its crazy...

he wrote the part of the blues, he has his guitar through most of chinese democracy, he's the one playing on most of twat.

[JustWckd]

How can Robin be more GNR than Slash when we can actually hear Slash's contributions on 4 full length CDs and an EP???

Until we see the linear notes on CD we have no idea what Robin has done.  "Better" could be his ONLY contribution for all you know. 

Some of you are so fucking ridiculous in the way you worship the new members and bash the old ones.  If it weren't for Slash, Robin couldn't butcher his songs on stage. Robin is the least talented guitarist in the new band and he gets sack ridden more than anybody.   Its crazy...

he wrote the part of the blues, he has his guitar through most of chinese democracy, he's the one playing on most of twat.

Show me something that proves he wrote part of the Blues.  I remember back in 2002 that Zakk Wylde said the Blues was from 1996 when he was in the band...  Chinese Democracy is the most NIN type song we have heard (besides OMG) and that is what Robin can play.

And if you think Robin is doing the outro of TWAT or the 2nd solo.....most of you guys don't play guitar so you probably can't distinguish between players....

[bolton]

Honestly,i can't imagine newgnr without finck!!!
Great guitar player and great man on the stage

Well,after chinese democracy,noone won't ask for a saul Hadson

[Lucky]

the blues solo can be confirmed, someone else can find the source of that info.

[WARose]

How can Robin be more GNR than Slash when we can actually hear Slash's contributions on 4 full length CDs and an EP???

Until we see the linear notes on CD we have no idea what Robin has done.  "Better" could be his ONLY contribution for all you know. 

Some of you are so fucking ridiculous in the way you worship the new members and bash the old ones.  If it weren't for Slash, Robin couldn't butcher his songs on stage. Robin is the least talented guitarist in the new band and he gets sack ridden more than anybody.   Its crazy...

he wrote the part of the blues, he has his guitar through most of chinese democracy, he's the one playing on most of twat.

Show me something that proves he wrote part of the Blues.  I remember back in 2002 that Zakk Wylde said the Blues was from 1996 when he was in the band...  Chinese Democracy is the most NIN type song we have heard (besides OMG) and that is what Robin can play.

And if you think Robin is doing the outro of TWAT or the 2nd solo.....most of you guys don't play guitar so you probably can't distinguish between players....

watch the 05/12 2006 dvd and you`ll see which parts of the song he plays and which not...

and i don`t play guitar, but i consider myself quite good in hearing what he plays/wrote and what not

and everyone thought bucket wrote better before axl told the truth

even i thought it`s "the rocker bucket wrote" (quote from brain)... well we were all wrong

[jarmo]

make a poll, and you'd see that no more than 10 members around here knew who these guys were before they joined the band.

We don't have to. Just because you're not familiar with their previous bands doesn't mean the rest of the world isn't.

I bet more than ten people knew of The Replaments alone.



/jarmo

[JustWckd]

How can Robin be more GNR than Slash when we can actually hear Slash's contributions on 4 full length CDs and an EP???

Until we see the linear notes on CD we have no idea what Robin has done.  "Better" could be his ONLY contribution for all you know. 

Some of you are so fucking ridiculous in the way you worship the new members and bash the old ones.  If it weren't for Slash, Robin couldn't butcher his songs on stage. Robin is the least talented guitarist in the new band and he gets sack ridden more than anybody.   Its crazy...

he wrote the part of the blues, he has his guitar through most of chinese democracy, he's the one playing on most of twat.

Show me something that proves he wrote part of the Blues.  I remember back in 2002 that Zakk Wylde said the Blues was from 1996 when he was in the band...  Chinese Democracy is the most NIN type song we have heard (besides OMG) and that is what Robin can play.

And if you think Robin is doing the outro of TWAT or the 2nd solo.....most of you guys don't play guitar so you probably can't distinguish between players....

watch the 05/12 2006 dvd and you`ll see which parts of the song he plays and which not...

and i don`t play guitar, but i consider myself quite good in hearing what he plays/wrote and what not

and everyone thought bucket wrote better before axl told the truth

even i thought it`s "the rocker bucket wrote" (quote from brain)... well we were all wrong

I have all the DVDs from NY, and countless vids from this new tour.  Finck is and always will be a sloppy sloppy live guitarist.  Most of the people on this board say that he means to play like that but if anybody plays guitar or knows anyone that plays guitar then you would know he has a horrendus form while playing.

Again, he could be an amzing writer and be that sloppy, but unlike you guys, I'm gonna wait to read the linear notes before  I start proclaiming he can write better than Slash or even Buckethead for that matter.

Its the same thing with Brain.  He never played YCBM right and nobody on this board would admit it, until Frank stepped in, did it right, then everyone was happy with Frank and forgot about Brain.

It doesn't matter who is in this band or if they suck or not, they'll get their sack ridden on this board.  Objective new GNR fans are nearly non existant...

[wells]

Objective new GNR fans are nearly non existant...

You described yourself just great  . Still no one is holding you on this non objective board...

[JustWckd]

Objective new GNR fans are nearly non existant...

You described yourself just great  .

hey I can't wait for this album.  I'd kill for a studio version of Madagascar.  But I can admit that Axl sounded like shit in 02, during 02 I admitted that.  I can admit negative aspects about the band but that doesn't make me less of a fan.  If anything it makes you more of a fan to have an objective opinion instead of blindly following the herd.

Criticism on this board is taken as a negative. If it ain't positive it gets moved to the Dead Horse or locked.  I'm a huge fan of Finck when he was in NIN (NIN is my 3rd favorite band behind GNR and Tool) but I hate him in GNR.  I wish Axl would just go with Thal on lead and Fortus on rhthym...

[WARose]

How can Robin be more GNR than Slash when we can actually hear Slash's contributions on 4 full length CDs and an EP???

Until we see the linear notes on CD we have no idea what Robin has done.  "Better" could be his ONLY contribution for all you know. 

Some of you are so fucking ridiculous in the way you worship the new members and bash the old ones.  If it weren't for Slash, Robin couldn't butcher his songs on stage. Robin is the least talented guitarist in the new band and he gets sack ridden more than anybody.   Its crazy...

he wrote the part of the blues, he has his guitar through most of chinese democracy, he's the one playing on most of twat.

Show me something that proves he wrote part of the Blues.  I remember back in 2002 that Zakk Wylde said the Blues was from 1996 when he was in the band...  Chinese Democracy is the most NIN type song we have heard (besides OMG) and that is what Robin can play.

And if you think Robin is doing the outro of TWAT or the 2nd solo.....most of you guys don't play guitar so you probably can't distinguish between players....

watch the 05/12 2006 dvd and you`ll see which parts of the song he plays and which not...

and i don`t play guitar, but i consider myself quite good in hearing what he plays/wrote and what not

and everyone thought bucket wrote better before axl told the truth

even i thought it`s "the rocker bucket wrote" (quote from brain)... well we were all wrong

I have all the DVDs from NY, and countless vids from this new tour.  Finck is and always will be a sloppy sloppy live guitarist.  Most of the people on this board say that he means to play like that but if anybody plays guitar or knows anyone that plays guitar then you would know he has a horrendus form while playing.

Again, he could be an amzing writer and be that sloppy, but unlike you guys, I'm gonna wait to read the linear notes before  I start proclaiming he can write better than Slash or even Buckethead for that matter.

Its the same thing with Brain.  He never played YCBM right and nobody on this board would admit it, until Frank stepped in, did it right, then everyone was happy with Frank and forgot about Brain.

It doesn't matter who is in this band or if they suck or not, they'll get their sack ridden on this board.  Objective new GNR fans are nearly non existant...

that`s complete bullshit dude

just because it`s your opinion doesn`t mean everyone else here doesn`t give a shit about the new band. i honestly didn`t enjoy watching frank ferrer on drums at the gig in nijmegen i attended, because i wanted to see brain again. the band minus bumblefoot is guns n`roses to me. and if anyone of these guys quits i don?t know what to think of the band after that. it`s probably the same to me as it`s for some of you with the old members.

and you either didn?t read my post or you just didn`t get my point. i said that you`ll see who plays  certain guitar parts in twat for example if you watch the dvd. robin played exactely the parts me and most people here expected him to.  lots of my friends are guitar players and i`m a big fan of guitar playing/solos in general by the way. robin is my favourite guitar player and that?s it. i don`t care if he fucks up a solo from time to time. mostly, he`s simply great imo.

and denying that he wrote the solos of the blues, better, irs and chinese democracy he`s playing live is just stupid by the way...

[Kujo]

I'm a huge fan of Finck when he was in NIN

Thats 2, just need 8 more

[makane]

made-up-bullshit. I bet Robin gets along with Izzy just fine. Why wouldn't he? Izzy is not even in GN'R.
Robin knows he will have hes moment when "Chinese Democracy" is out.

[BluesGNR]

to be honest robin looks like he is so into his own thing on stage, which is awesome, i really doubt he is pissed off at izzy's appearances.

and yes, robin IS guns n roses?

I agree with you 100%.  Robin does his own thing and thats why he is GNR.

[T_Roxie]

I find it odd how they're not allowed to do interviews, it seems. ?I mean, Robin is never featured in any magazines like Slash was/is.
It makes it seem a lot more like it's just Axl's band because of this.

[JustWckd]

How can Robin be more GNR than Slash when we can actually hear Slash's contributions on 4 full length CDs and an EP???

Until we see the linear notes on CD we have no idea what Robin has done.  "Better" could be his ONLY contribution for all you know. 

Some of you are so fucking ridiculous in the way you worship the new members and bash the old ones.  If it weren't for Slash, Robin couldn't butcher his songs on stage. Robin is the least talented guitarist in the new band and he gets sack ridden more than anybody.   Its crazy...

he wrote the part of the blues, he has his guitar through most of chinese democracy, he's the one playing on most of twat.

Show me something that proves he wrote part of the Blues.  I remember back in 2002 that Zakk Wylde said the Blues was from 1996 when he was in the band...  Chinese Democracy is the most NIN type song we have heard (besides OMG) and that is what Robin can play.

And if you think Robin is doing the outro of TWAT or the 2nd solo.....most of you guys don't play guitar so you probably can't distinguish between players....

watch the 05/12 2006 dvd and you`ll see which parts of the song he plays and which not...

and i don`t play guitar, but i consider myself quite good in hearing what he plays/wrote and what not

and everyone thought bucket wrote better before axl told the truth

even i thought it`s "the rocker bucket wrote" (quote from brain)... well we were all wrong

I have all the DVDs from NY, and countless vids from this new tour.  Finck is and always will be a sloppy sloppy live guitarist.  Most of the people on this board say that he means to play like that but if anybody plays guitar or knows anyone that plays guitar then you would know he has a horrendus form while playing.

Again, he could be an amzing writer and be that sloppy, but unlike you guys, I'm gonna wait to read the linear notes before  I start proclaiming he can write better than Slash or even Buckethead for that matter.

Its the same thing with Brain.  He never played YCBM right and nobody on this board would admit it, until Frank stepped in, did it right, then everyone was happy with Frank and forgot about Brain.

It doesn't matter who is in this band or if they suck or not, they'll get their sack ridden on this board.  Objective new GNR fans are nearly non existant...

and denying that he wrote the solos of the blues, better, irs and chinese democracy he`s playing live is just stupid by the way...

I'm not denying anything.  I doubt he wrote of few of those solos.  The point I'm trying to make is YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT AND NEITHER DO I.  You want to act like you know what sgoing on in Guns N' Roses but you don't.  For all we know Robin could've written 90% of the songs by himself or Axl wrote the guitar parts.  Until the CD comes out and we have cd linear book or Axl does an interview and is asked who wrote what, WE DON'T KNOW.  Stop ASSUMING you DO, thats all I'm asking, apparently thats too much....This is what we do know

Robin didn't write ANYTHING in Nine Inch Nails
Axl said Better was a "Robin song" which doesn't even say that he wrote it, just implies it.  It could mean that its Robin's favorite fucking song or that he wrote the chorus.  Again, until the CD comes out or Axl or any of the band members do interviews, we don't know.  Based on Buckethead's previous writing skills he has actually displayed though, you can make the GUESS that he wrote guitar parts. Don't you wish you had songs you know for 100% that Robin wrote to compare??

[Lucky]

make a poll, and you'd see that no more than 10 members around here knew who these guys were before they joined the band.

We don't have to. Just because you're not familiar with their previous bands doesn't mean the rest of the world isn't.

I bet more than ten people knew of The Replaments alone.



/jarmo

damn...
more than 10 people know me, and I'm still a no-name.
and it doesnt matter how many people know replacements or NIN or Tool.
the fact is that nobody! knows of Stinson, Finck or Pit(t)man. only a couple of diehards on the internet.


it's not like people are gonna buy chinese democracy becuase Chris Pittman is in the band! They will buy it becuase it's GNR, its Axl Rose or it sounds great. but this guys are not a "Brand" of their own.

why are you people afraid to admit it?!

John 5 is a well known musician. Dave Navarro is not a no-name.
but robin finck is a no-name. only real nin/manson fans knew of him.
Casual listeners dont care/know.

I've been listening for NIN for years... and before the internet, how the hell would I have known that it's robin finck that's performing with the band live?!
He's not mentioned in credits on one single CD, untill the "all that could have been". and then there was no point in it.

[T_Roxie]

The thing is, I bet a lot of the Replacements fans dont even know that Tommy is in guns n roses.   Like wise with people that knew of Robin.  The biggest name was Buckethead, he had publicity whilst he was in the band.  To a small extent I see that happening with bumblefoot now, but not with the others.