Can VR tour while GNR is touring?

[mikegiuliana]

ha ha, if they played the same venue when vr was on they'd scream for axl ,when new gnr was on they'd yell for the real band..

[RichardNixon]

Of course they can tour at the same time. Chanes are VR, GN'R and Army of Anyone will all tour at the same time at some point.

[younggunner]

VR's new gigs weren't about anything but goin' out of the studio, so the less press didn't surprise me.

But it did for gnr back in 02

 

Since VR's not a household name yet, they have to work hard to succeed: the second album will decide on their future.

Im gonna take a wild guess here but Im willing to wager that a lot more people know who Slash, Duff,weiland,sorum are than Fortus, Finck,Brain, etc....

give me a break. Every rock fan knows and are aware of the palyers in VR. As every good rock fan knows that GNr doesnt consist of old gnr.

With GN'R things are different: the brand is so huge that if Axl ain't release CD in the next decade, he still can do sold-out tours in Europe since people want to hear Jungle, SCOM, PC etc.

So your saying that GNr cant sell out a show based on any new album? Time will tell on that. But I hate to tell you that Im pretty sure GNr will play some old hits along with the CD album when its released. So for a fan like myself, I will get some old gems and new gems all at one show.


 

BTW the second Slashless GN'R album will decide on Nu-GN'R's future as well, considering that Axl has the balls to move on and play the new material instead of the 20-year old tribute set. Then he'll be judged.

Oh sop now we have to wait till the 2nd album to give this band credit{if they earn it}...thats interesting. So if CD had 3-5 radio singles, sells a shitload of albums and they do well in tour sales that wont be enough. Interesting.

I hope you have said the same thing for VR. WIth Slither and the cross over hit FTP im sure VR wont have a problem selling out arenas next time around ...But your right who the hell is in that band anyways....give me a break

[gcluskey]

VR had the fastest selling rock album in the US, thats some credit

[oldgunsfan]

I just think that VR came at the right time when there was NO GN'R activity at all. Look at the recent gig VR did... I sensed a lot less interest.. updates etc. in that. Just my opinion.. you never know how it will work out..

There was less interest in the VR shows because they weren't promoting a new album......it was the same set-list.....the only reason why there's the interest in the GnR tour is because Axl is the Howard Hughes of the music industry, and the media wanted to see if he imploded.....and gnr is playing basically the same set list as they did in 2002....except for better and IRS

[mikegiuliana]

well as of right now new gnr's success has zero to do with new music or new members, the gnr name and axl are selling out the venues plus the love for all the old material.. At least if a name change had happened this all could be judged on the new band's talent.. How could anyone not like these shows ,ten afd songs ,izzy baz november rain ,few new tunes in there.. We all know the band could change any member each day of the tour and the sales would be the same..

[Mikkamakka]

VR's new gigs weren't about anything but goin' out of the studio, so the less press didn't surprise me.

But it did for gnr back in 02

 

It was called Chinese Democracy World Tour. Axl later made up that 'we just wanted to get out of the studio', but if you read the earlier interviews, you'll see their plan was touring around the world and 'putting the finishing touches' on the album.

Since VR's not a household name yet, they have to work hard to succeed: the second album will decide on their future.

Im gonna take a wild guess here but Im willing to wager that a lot more people know who Slash, Duff,weiland,sorum are than Fortus, Finck,Brain, etc....

give me a break. Every rock fan knows and are aware of the palyers in VR. As every good rock fan knows that GNr doesnt consist of old gnr.

Not really. Or maybe the hardcore 'rock fans' are aware, but GN'R's fan base consisted (and maybe still consist) a lot of softcore fans, pop fans etc., who don't pay too much attention. I guess that at least 50% of those who go to a Rolling Stones concert don't know that they have a black bassist. VR is very far from the classic GN'R's popularity and reputation.

With GN'R things are different: the brand is so huge that if Axl ain't release CD in the next decade, he still can do sold-out tours in Europe since people want to hear Jungle, SCOM, PC etc.

So your saying that GNr cant sell out a show based on any new album? Time will tell on that. But I hate to tell you that Im pretty sure GNr will play some old hits along with the CD album when its released. So for a fan like myself, I will get some old gems and new gems all at one show.

I agree, those guys who play under the GN'R name today or later, must play some of the old hits. But not almost the whole AFD, for God's sake.

Also agree that time will tell if the Nu-material is strong enough to attract people, but I'm 1000000% sure that if Axl had dropped two new albums in the last two years and had decided to leave out the classic songs, he would have played in front of 2,000-3,000 guys every evening.

BTW the second Slashless GN'R album will decide on Nu-GN'R's future as well, considering that Axl has the balls to move on and play the new material instead of the 20-year old tribute set. Then he'll be judged.

Oh sop now we have to wait till the 2nd album to give this band credit{if they earn it}...thats interesting. So if CD had 3-5 radio singles, sells a shitload of albums and they do well in tour sales that wont be enough. Interesting.

I hope you have said the same thing for VR. WIth Slither and the cross over hit FTP im sure VR wont have a problem selling out arenas next time around ...But your right who the hell is in that band anyways....give me a break

Newsflash: the Nu-GN'R album will sell millions. Shitload of millions. People will buy it without even hearing the songs before. The success of the singles will matter much more: it'll show the popularity of the current music and line-up. But hell, he's been making this album for years (not to go into the decade long debate seems Axl supporters always act like he'd have start the work yesterday), he should have enough quality material (I mean A+) for one album. And even if he doesn't have that, the long wait, the mystery, the hype and of course _the_name_ will sell millions. When the second album comes out, people will have a better knowledge of what Nu-GN'R is.

I said in my previous post that the second album will decide on VR's future and since a lot of people bought the ex-GN'R members' album, they may not buy the second Velvet Revolver album since it's not classic GN'R. The album has to be strong enough to sell well.

(BTW quality is not quantity and as I mentioned earlier: big sales make me happy some way, but the most important thing is that I like the music or not. CD or Libertad could sell only 23 copies, if I love it, I'll say it's a great record.)

[younggunner]

It was called Chinese Democracy World Tour. Axl later made up that 'we just wanted to get out of the studio', but if you read the earlier interviews, you'll see their plan was touring around the world and 'putting the finishing touches' on the album.

Yes, it was called that and who the fuck knows why. Listen to what Axl says at the Vmas to Loder. Its all right there. I honestly dont think they were gonna release the album until sometime in spring of 03. After the first leg of the US tour. But as we all know Bucket left, so Im sure that delayed a lot of things.

I honestly think Axls plans were to first get out with the band and jam out the old stuff and gel in a live setting. Which was a smart thing to do because this time around it runs a lot smoother.

I agree, those guys who play under the GN'R name today or later, must play some of the old hits. But not almost the whole AFD, for God's sake.

I agree. I didnt mind it back in 02 or even this PAST tour. BUT if they continue with this setlist on the upcoming NA tour, its really lame. Id be the first to tell you.

They need to release the fukin album. When they do that they can slowly break in the album on the tour with the old hits. Thats fine. And then eventually go to a CD set with just some old stuff and random old stuff which would make for the ultimate gnr show.

Also agree that time will tell if the Nu-material is strong enough to attract people, but I'm 1000000% sure that if Axl had dropped two new albums in the last two years and had decided to leave out the classic songs, he would have played in front of 2,000-3,000 guys every evening.

I agree and disagree. Of course Axl has a big advantage in terms of keeping the GNr name. Mostly from the business side of things. but with that being said, alot of you people dont realize that Axl is, was, and always will be the driving force of GNR. We've all gone thru this before but he has shown that he can pull off a fairly successful tour without it being the original band. Axl is not just a rock legend, he is a mythic figure. thats what separates him from Slash and most other frontmen.

This argument will end IF/WHEN this band releases the album, tours on that album and its a success. Which means they release another album and tour under CD and the 2nd album with old stuff thrown in. Thats when it will be fully confirmed that he can pull it off without having the old members. And im obiviously of the opinion he can certainly pull it off

If they do all that then no1 can say that people come out to see gnr because they dont know its not the original, because of just the old hits and because its "trendy". If what I just mentioned happens then this band and Axl deserve its respect from the haters.

BTW quality is not quantity and as I mentioned earlier: big sales make me happy some way, but the most important thing is that I like the music or not. CD or Libertad could sell only 23 copies, if I love it, I'll say it's a great record.)

I agree and have always said that. For new GNr to work and show that he doesnt need the old members the MUSIC  needs to do the talking. And with songs like Better,TwaT and Cathcer not to mention all the others I love they surely have it in them to make great modern music.

The ball has and always will be in Axls hands. Its time for him to make a move

We all know the band could change any member each day of the tour and the sales would be the same..

And that goes for the old members as well

[mikegiuliana]

And that goes for the old members as well

difference is if the old members left during the tour people would be yelling for them as they did for izzy (caling  gilby izzy) if the new members left each time no one would care.. people still speak of slash, happened at every hammerstein show, happened in england.. That's with a long time of healing.. Regardless the old members helped create this, they were vitale, on the other hand the new members are simply riding the gravy train of the past.. So old members werw with gnr when tehy were nothing, new gnr is with gnr after the fact when the band was 90 million albums out.. I mean come on, robin tommy have been in axl's band since 97-98, no one even knows who they are, plus they are playing huge venues without any work.. Clearly shows the real gnr that was super famous and who's songs you hear on the radio everyday are the reason these guys are getting anyone in the seats..

[Mikkamakka]

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Wow, we finally agree in a lot of things!? ? ?

But some points I still disagree with:

It was called Chinese Democracy World Tour. Axl later made up that 'we just wanted to get out of the studio', but if you read the earlier interviews, you'll see their plan was touring around the world and 'putting the finishing touches' on the album.

Yes, it was called that and who the fuck knows why. Listen to what Axl says at the Vmas to Loder. Its all right there. I honestly dont think they were gonna release the album until sometime in spring of 03. After the first leg of the US tour. But as we all know Bucket left, so Im sure that delayed a lot of things.

Axl even told the month of the release in 2001. When the 'CD World Tour' kicked off in 2002 he said in his official press release/interview that it was the right time to 'wrap up the baby' or something like that and that even the song selection was done. Some of you always mention that Loader interview: I guess when Axl said that 'I don't know if soon is the word', az early 2003 release was the laters he thought of.

And BH left in 2004.

alot of you people dont realize that Axl is, was, and always will be the driving force of GNR. We've all gone thru this before but he has shown that he can pull off a fairly successful tour without it being the original band. Axl is not just a rock legend, he is a mythic figure. thats what separates him from Slash and most other frontmen.

Axl wasn't the only driving force of GN'R although he was one of the driving forces of the band. It turns out of the old interviews, that Axl and Izzy were the ones who didn't like to work hard while Slash, Duff and even poor drugged-up Steven worked their ass off. Unfortunately Axl proved in the last 10+ years what he can do without the other guys (Slash, Izzy, Duff).

Saying that Slash wouldn't be a mythical figure of rock music is simply denying the truth. Axl is a myth. Slash is a myth. GN'R was(?) a myth.?

We all know the band could change any member each day of the tour and the sales would be the same..
And that goes for the old members as well

As far as I remember when Axl wasn't able to sing Paradise City and they got Baz, people still liked the performance. So even Axl is replacable?? ? No. Same goes for Slash, Duff and Izzy.

I've finished my offtopic rant.?

ON

[tomass74]

Axl's tour will have absolutely no effect on whether or not VR can tour.... Why would it?

[younggunner]

Wow, we finally agree in a lot of things

that might be the 1st time in a span of 3-4 yrs.....

[Krispy Kreme]

Back to the topic: of course they can tour simultaneously, and I hope they do. Just not back to back on successive nights. otherwise it is a fan's dream.

[Adler_Sorum_Brain]

jepp

[codenameninja]

Can VR tour while GNR is touring?

yes

[Dr. Blutarsky]

Both bands will do nothing but help each other in the media due to the GNR VS VR spin.

[jthunders13]

i was kinda wondering that, but i doubt vr will be touring soon...something is up with them...no album in 3 years...there is more then just waiting for rick rubin....not to hate on them...but...its weird

[Mikkamakka]

i was kinda wondering that, but i doubt vr will be touring soon...something is up with them...no album in 3 years...there is more then just waiting for rick rubin....not to hate on them...but...its weird

Contraband was released in June, 2004. That's not 3 years. Something happened in the VR camp for sure, but it seems like they sorted out the problems and are working on their second album. 

[codenameninja]

Both bands will do nothing but help each other in the media due to the GNR VS VR spin.

I really don't see a vs thing going on. Both bands are so different (to each other). Gn'R doesn't need spin from VR. VR needs spin from Gn'R. Its a one way thing.

[makane]

Umm... No?
Can't you see Guns are selling out almost every show. ie. Madison Square Garden.
There isn't really any arenas left for Velvet Revolver to have concerts.