Rock Am Ring (Soundboard) FLACs

[Liquid Drum]

When you convert to FLAC, you need to "encode", which means it's gonna be compressed anyway. If you want the real deal, download the DVD and extract the .mpa stream from it.

No, Flac is LOSSLESS.

Its basically like zipping a file using winzip or winrar (flac zips wav. files).

[bucketheadfan]

please reupload this show on toher server  I can't download from megaupload  pls heeelp...

[1badapple]

you guys that say you can't d/l from megaupload, what's the problem? are you looking to the right of the megaupload logo? it'll tell you to enter code here- the codes are like LXM, PCR, some 3 letter combo, then it counts down and at nearly 10 seconds a pop up will appear, close it, then it'll tell you "click here to download".

i don't know if that'll help or not, but i've discovered that A LOT of people that say they "can't" d/l from there just aren't doing it right.


If i rip the audio as wave files, is that lossless?

[sneeks]

I've always been led to believe that wav files are lossless.

[Liquid Drum]

I've always been led to believe that wav files are lossless.

Yes WAV files are pure lossless. But might aswell rip the audio in WAV and then encode to FLAC as that is also LOSSLESS.

MP3 > FLAC is lossy

WAV > FLAC is lossless.

[sneeks]

My portable mp3 player cannot play FLAC files so I keep them as WAV files instead.

[lennonisgod]

If you're keeping them all on your computer, why not just make them FLAC because WAV files take up more space??  It's not hard to convert FLAC to WAV if you have to.  WAV files are almost twice the size of FLAC's and sound exactly the same.  So if you're leaving them on your computer, it wouldn't make sense to have a ton of WAV files.  I'm just trying to give you a tip so you don't waste a bunch of hard drive space.  You can get a free FLAC converter and convert 15 songs to WAV in about 2 minutes.

EDIT:  I use 'FLAC Frontend' to convert, which is one of the easiest things in the world to use.  If you have a bunch of different lossless files you deal with, like SHN, FLAC and APE, you could download 'Trader's Little Helper' if you wanted.  All of these programs are free by the way.

[1badapple]

the wav files aren't gonna be on my pc very long. i'll burn them to cd, then convert the wav files on my pc to mp3 @ 320kbps to keep on the computer, and delete the wav files. The wav are just to burn to cd for better quality in my car and on my stereo.

[lennonisgod]

the wav files aren't gonna be on my pc very long. i'll burn them to cd, then convert the wav files on my pc to mp3 @ 320kbps to keep on the computer, and delete the wav files. The wav are just to burn to cd for better quality in my car and on my stereo.

I should have quoted him, but I was telling Sneeks, who was right above me.  But yeah, converting them to mp3, even @ 320 kbps is about 1/3 the size of a FLAC file.  I just hate converting anything that's lossless into a lossy format.  Even though I burn them onto a cd, I always put my bootlegs on DVD's, just to have a back up if I ever need one.  I actually have almost everything I have, backed up on DVD's because I don't trust hard drives with my whole collection of music and the cd's I make for myself to listen to can get scratched, lost or whatever else that can happen to them.  Mp3 is the most popular format in the world, so more power to ya.  There's always a few of us though that think an mp3 is the devil or something really bad.  I honestly would rather have it in lossless format but if I can only get an mp3 of something, I won't fucking cry about like some people.  I would never not download a show that I didn't have, just because it was only available in mp3 format.  That's taking the whole lossless audio thing a little too far.

[Tomorrows]

Technically this isnt a pure soundboard either, right? Its a broadcast mix (made from the soundboard) put out in broadcast quality.

[Better]

any chance of getting nighttrain up there?? 

[lennonisgod]

any chance of getting nighttrain up there?? 

Nightrain is up there bud.  The only ones not working by the way are My Michelle and KOHD.  Are all of the solos and jams cut out of this or are they just not posted yet???  It would be disappointing to not have the whole show when the quality is this good.

EDIT:  Add Paradise City to the 'not working' list.

[Better]

wow. how the hell did i miss that lol. thanks for pointing that out dude XD

[estebanf]

When you convert to FLAC, you need to "encode", which means it's gonna be compressed anyway. If you want the real deal, download the DVD and extract the .mpa stream from it.

No, Flac is LOSSLESS.

Its basically like zipping a file using winzip or winrar (flac zips wav. files).

Well, I think that that is not the correct comparison.

When you zip files, lets say MS Word files, you reduce their size, but when you decompress them, they are the same than before in all aspects. You cant open those files without decompressing.

When you encode WAV to FLAC/APE/SHN, a certain (very little bit) of audio quality is lost, absolutly unhearable for human ear, but there is still a little loss. FLAC is called ''lossless'', but in fact, it is still a compressing method. There are certain things that are cut, but in the size/quality relation, FLAC is the best audio format by far.

It has no sense to upload/download or store WAV files, because they're huge, heavy, and difference against traditional lossless formats, talking about quality, is almost nule. But ''almost'' doesnt mean ''the same''.

When you encode WAV to MP3, you're murdering that audio. Simple.

[zombux]

in addition to estebanf, I don't understand why people keep using crappy mp3 format. it's decent above 192kbps, but still it really changes the music, supresses midranges and highs, and boosts basses. it sounds better to human ear than the original sound, but it sucks. the best lossy format is OGG Vorbis, because it's really similar to the original sound

[Limulus]

256kbps original mpa stream from digital satelite is the best audio we do have and probably will ever have from this broadcast. if you want to do a 2CDR set for listening on car-hifi/stereo-hifi whereelse.....256kbps/48kbit have to be "up"-converted to WAV and downsampled to 44,1khz for being CD-standard. FLACing those WAVs might be needed but they are indeed lossy cause sourced from a 256kbps lossy source! but even when listening to "my" 128kbps mp3s.....they sound so great i wouldnt mind doing the 2CDR, hell...in my ears "Nightrain" sounds more good than on the Live Era, hups, Fake Era 2CD!!

[zombux]

yes it's goddamn similar to Live Era Nightrain (I love that )

[Will]

Basically what I've been saying since yesterday. If you want "lossless" from this, just get the .mpa file.
MP3 is needed because...hmmm...many MP3 players play...MP3...not many play FLAC.

[Limulus]

when talking about technical stuff the main problem we do have is
we dont have access to a lossless soundboard source from this sow, so everything else coming from the original 256kbps (digital satelite) is even lower quality.
these days every digital cable/satelite source is using compressed not lossless audio. however the GN'R RAR sounds mint so wtf??!!!

still the thing to do for fans should be:

- spreading mp3s for all fans very fast so they can get the broadcast audio very soon after the show? <--- we did that, also for use for Ipods, mp3 players etc.
- getting/saving the original digital satelite aired 256kbps as being the best SBD quality?for now(/ever?) <--- we got/are getting that from the DIME dvd source
- maybe doing CDR FLACs from this one...but they will mess up collections in the future as many people considering FLACs being lossless which is not the case. so...if CDR FLACs will be done please mention the original lossy source in a .txt file in there
- overdubbing the circulating AUD video
- NOT ONLY COLLECTING BUT LISTENING TO IT THATS WHAT ITS MADE IN THE FIRST CASE!!!!!!

[zombux]

so, what about encoding this baby in 256kbps MP3? with a little quality harm it would be better than the 128kbps, this low quality is killing my ears anyway 128kbps is not optimal quality, not optimal for bootleg with rich sound.