How much does CD need to sell for it to be considered a success?

[ppbebe]

The goal was never to make three albums from this. At one point they were going to make two, CD and 2000 Intentions, but that felt through.

Care to source it?
I've heard that 2000 Intentions was rumourd to be a tentative title for the album before it was named cd.
about the point, as late as this jan we heard that they were working on 2 cds at a time. and later some musician who's in a few pics with axl said axl talked of three albums.

[D]

3 million US 8 million worldwide would be a nice success.


Ive been saying it for years.

The true measure on the NEW bands success hinges on the 2nd record, not the first.


The first will sell a lot based on the mystique and curiosity alone.

The 2nd will be the true tale of the tape whether or not this band is successful, same for VR.


Look at Audioslave. Their debut did massively well.

U havent heard a whole lot from their 2nd CD though.

[Communist China]

The goal was never to make three albums from this. At one point they were going to make two, CD and 2000 Intentions, but that felt through.

Care to source it?
I've heard that 2000 Intentions was rumourd to be a tentative title for the album before it was named cd.
about the point, as late as this jan we heard that they were working on 2 cds at a time. and later some musician who's in a few pics with axl said axl talked of three albums.

2000 Intentions and CD are two seperate albums. Obviously by now, though, the name 2000 Intentions would no longer exist. We've heard from many of the band members that they will have a 12-13 track single album, CD.

[ppbebe]

2000 Intentions and CD are two seperate albums. Obviously by now, though, the name 2000 Intentions would no longer exist. We've heard from many of the band members that they will have a 12-13 track single album, CD.

and the source is? I mean can you give me the links, CC?

We've heard about cd and its succeeding album. and I can quote their exact words.

On topic, I think it will turn out to be a massive success in the long run no matter what critics say now.

[benchiefjr]

If Buckethead's parts remained on the album, I think it could hurt the quality of the album and put the sales down.
I think his contribution is poor. His IRS solo has no feeling, this is a great song but his solo is terrible. His "better" bridge are 80's shred metal, it sounds odd and uninspired, no Bluesy element, no feeling, no "touch". He doesn't play on Catcher in the Rye and guess what? the tune sounds good. Ok, his outro on TWAT is good, but it's not enough. Everytime he plays he just put the quality of the songs down.

realize you're judging from 4 songs...1/3 of CD.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

If Buckethead's parts remained on the album, I think it could hurt the quality of the album and put the sales down.
I think his contribution is poor. His IRS solo has no feeling, this is a great song but his solo is terrible. His "better" bridge are 80's shred metal, it sounds odd and uninspired, no Bluesy element, no feeling, no "touch". He doesn't play on Catcher in the Rye and guess what? the tune sounds good. Ok, his outro on TWAT is good, but it's not enough. Everytime he plays he just put the quality of the songs down.

realize you're judging from 4 songs...1/3 of CD.

Realize that nesquick doesn't know how to do anything but say Buckethead doesn't play with feel.  Have you heard the 1999 version of IRS?  Buckethead's solo is a huge improvement over the one that was originally on there.  Most people like Bucket's contributions, including Axl because Buckethead's parts will be on the album 

[SkiX]

Who cares? Just  give us it already! >.< Its a sucess only if it sounds good

[Communist China]

Who cares? Just? give us it already! >.< Its a sucess only if it sounds good

...to enough people.

[Axl4Prez2004]

No offense to "The New Fiona Apple," but this is a terrible question. ?Let me tell you why!

Assuming Axl and company have gone through $13 million...it's for 3 albums!!!!!
That's about $4.3 million per album which is not staggering by any stretch of the imagination. ?

Don't buy into the shitty "music headlines" which will portray this as a "$13 million album," because it just isn't!!!!!!!!!!!
 

I get sick and tired of all the fucking negativity. ?

The goal was never to make three albums from this. At one point they were going to make two, CD and 2000 Intentions, but that felt through. Just because they have enough material for three albums doesn't mean they meant to make three albums. It means they had a lot of so-so stuff that they wasted time and money on.

CommunistChina!  Congratulations!!  You not only got to hear material from Chinese Democracy, you've heard stuff from all 3 albums!!!  That's awesome!  I'm so sad to hear that it's just "so-so stuff."   

I sure hope you took some video of the interview you did with the band regarding plans for just making one album, and how they just pulled 2 more albums out of their asses! 

If you're going to be a hater, at least get your story right. 

I stand by my $4.3 million per album figure ($13 million total for three albums).  I'm so sorry reality conflicts with your story CommunistChina.  Don't worry, the press will say the same thing you said.  "$13 million for one album of 13 songs?  Axl?  You really think each song is worth a million dollars???"       

[25]

"$13 million for one album of 13 songs?  Axl?  You really think each song is worth a million dollars???"       

To which Axl should say "Yes!"
Because, by that logic, any future album compiled from the CD sessions would be "the album that cost $0 to make!" And, therefore, would be a "commercial success" after selling one copy.  Hell, it would be the most successful album of all time, making infinately more than 100% profit on the back of a single sale.  Best business strategy ever.   

[markreed]

The CD will only be a success if a public-facing Axl (and the rest of the band) make themselves available to blitz th emedia. With luck, we'll be falling over tell-all interviews. The bands current 'radio silence' approach doesn't do them much good in maintaining visibility - it allows bystanders to speculate and those who know say nothing.

[Axl4Prez2004]

"$13 million for one album of 13 songs?? Axl?? You really think each song is worth a million dollars???"? ? ? ?

To which Axl should say "Yes!"
Because, by that logic, any future album compiled from the CD sessions would be "the album that cost $0 to make!" And, therefore, would be a "commercial success" after selling one copy.? Hell, it would be the most successful album of all time, making infinately more than 100% profit on the back of a single sale.? Best business strategy ever.? ?

Hey 25, great post!     "the album that cost $0 to make!"  I love it!   

[ppbebe]

the tone of the media/critics changes about depending on the sway of things. Premature exposure is not advisable as it would lessen the freshness and amazement. better not make people satiated with cd before it arrives. 

"$13 million for one album of 13 songs?  Axl?  You really think each song is worth a million dollars???"       

To which Axl should say "Yes!"
Because, by that logic, any future album compiled from the CD sessions would be "the album that cost $0 to make!" And, therefore, would be a "commercial success" after selling one copy.  Hell, it would be the most successful album of all time, making infinately more than 100% profit on the back of a single sale.  Best business strategy ever.   

Amen.

The succeeding albums should be referred to as "the cheapest albums ever made", I'm not sure if this phrase rings better than "the most expensive album never made" but anyway, just the same each song in those would be worth a million, or priceless.

[GnR-NOW]

do we know for sure 13 million went to the album, or 13 million went to axl being in the studio which might be more then 13 songs.  i know the ny times article said album, but the hell with them.  I think its success by the major media will be compared how well the uyi and afd albums sold

[Communist China]

do we know for sure 13 million went to the album, or 13 million went to axl being in the studio which might be more then 13 songs.? i know the ny times article said album, but the hell with them.? I think its success by the major media will be compared how well the uyi and afd albums sold

Well then it will fail. It will never outsell AFD, probably will not outsell UYI either.

[Jizzo]

250,000 first week

[duga]

Outsell Contraband.

[nesquick]

I think it could sell over 10 million copies (worldwide of course) within 1.5/2 years. Don't forget the GH has sold over 7 million copies worldwide, with few promotion.  Still in the Charts!
The name "Guns N' Roses" (old band or new band) is still a mass appeal for people. Plus, the new songs are overall quality. Of course it's not as great as the best of the 87-93 erea, but it's still quite good.?There is a mass appeal in the new songs, "The Blues" could easily be a massive Hit, maybe even a #1 single. So if Merck did a good job with promotion, Chinese Democracy could sell a lot.

[deanaxlrose]

 now i can see the future. kids from all over the world sing the intro of better over and over again.

no one ever told me when i was alone
They just thought i'd know better,better

[nesquick]

ehrr no, the intro of "better" doesn't sound good to me... I hope they will change it. It sounded really odd Live.