GNR without Axl Rose

[Tomorrows]

This is turning into should Axl call the band GNR. A sure way for this topic to be locked or into the dead horse section.

Its inevitable itd go there - or to the old GNR v VR debate.

[masterv]

Slash, Duff and Matt would never have called their new band Guns N' Roses.
If anything, those guys are decent enough to realize that FAB Five is no more.
However, them owning the name and copy right would have ensured more sane and businee like attitude towards the catalogue. For example, they wouldn't be as stupid as Axl was to pass up the opportunity of having Welcome to the Jungle in Ridley Scott movie Blackhawk Down. Can you imagine how much money has Axl lost on it?
I don;t like sell outs, but to me at least, having a song played in an Oscar nominated and probably winning movie does not constutute a sell out.
Even if Axl does legally own the right to the name, morally he has no righ to use Guns N' Roses for the new band he is fronting. I have a huge respect for him as a singer and frontman, and GNR are my favourite band.
I know that Robin Finck and Ron Thal are awesome musicans, but they would be awesome musicians for something like Axl Rose Band, Hollywood Rose, Anything Rose, whatever.
If Mick Jagger kick out Keith Richards and others from Stones, and buys the name, no one in the world expect him to tour under Stones name.
Otherwise people would see him as traitor.
When Vince Neil tours solo, as he does in this moment, he doesn't use Motley Crue name.
I know I will be blasted for this, but I can't please everyone.
GNR are my favourite band, Axl is my favourite singer, but unfortunately it is no more. 
If Axl comes to Toronto, I would prolly go see him, but I will never accept this group as more than Axl + 7 or whatever musicians.

[pebbles]

As we all know, everyone is in support of Axl Rose and the new GNR.? But here's one thing I've always wondered.? Would we still support the band if Slash, Duff and Matt had kicked Axl out, bought the rights to the GNR name and kept the band going with a new singer?? Some argue that Axl Rose is not Guns N' Roses while some think it's ok.? On the flip side, would it have been ok for Guns N' Roses to live on without Axl Rose as the front man?? Which scenario is better?? To this day, people out there associate Axl and Slash as the core of Guns N' Roses.

I'm curious to see what everyone thinks...

Axl Rose is the greatest frontman ever...without him there is no gnr

[RoCoKiN]

It's always been about Axl!

[gueli]

As the Classic Rock mag reporter wrote in the article about the leeds an london 2002 shows "There is only one irreplaceable member in Guns N` Roses and his name is W. Axl Rose"

[RoCoKiN]

Absa-fuckin'-lutely!

[Jim Bob]

you can't have GNR without Axl Rose, but as we've seen you can have GNR without Slash or Duff. 

[rocky]

In my opinion, without Axl GNR would have never made it big.  Thats means we (probably) wouldn't even know who Slash, Izzy or Duff even are.  Thats why I think its ok for Axl to use the name.  He made the band big, obviously with the help of the other three, but he was the one that made them a ledendary band, therefore its his band name to use (or ruin).

[Stupid Head]

Van Halen is the only group who really pulled off changing lead singers & continued their success financially & artisticly. ?Eddie was really the driving force there, so it worked.

Axl is more associated with GNR than any other member, so I don't think so. I like VR, but you can't really consider VR any form of GNR since Weiland has his own style.

What about AC/DC? Back In Black is awesome. Not to mention, its the worlds second biggest selling album of all time!

[codenameninja]

Guns N' Roses without Axl = Nothing

...and Gn'R without Slash is not as good as Gn'R with Slash 

[Locomotive98]

Guns N' Roses without Axl = Nothing

...and Gn'R without Slash is not as good as Gn'R with Slash?

Absolutely correct

[supaplex]

we have gnr without slash and duff so why wouldn't it be possible to have gnr without axl.

but as far as the direction the music has taken i preffer the music done by axl. i don't care if he would've called it gnr or not.

the original poster asked if we'd still support the band if they'd kicked axl out. that's impossible to say. what do u mean by support? i bought contraband and played it a lot and i like it. if i had the chance to go to a show i would. but i like better the songs that axl put out.

we're all here because at one point something that those 5 guys did went straight to our hearts. and now everybody makes choices and says stupid things like slash is better than axl or axl is better than slash. fuck that. i know that all these guys wrote all the songs i listend to all these years and if they chose to go separate ways, it doesn't matter who kept the name but, as far as i'm concerned, i'm relating more to the songs i've heard from axl.

[Axlative]

Guns N' Roses without Axl = Nothing

...and Gn'R without Slash is not as good as Gn'R with Slash 

Absolutely correct

I'm kind of with this one too, but I'd refrase and say GNR without Slash can't be compared.

Even with his playing, Slash was more of an image thing for GNR. He has an unique sound, but so do many other guitarists (i.e. that part is replaceable). His image, however, was/is totally beyond any guitarist ever. Not to undermine the relevance of that, but it doesn't contribute to the music at all. And music is what it's all about. 

Whereas Izzy was 100% musicianship and was therefore the biggest single roster loss GNR ever suffered!

[Locomotive98]

Guns N' Roses without Axl = Nothing

...and Gn'R without Slash is not as good as Gn'R with Slash?

Absolutely correct

I'm kind of with this one too, but I'd refrase and say GNR without Slash can't be compared.

Even with his playing, Slash was more of an image thing for GNR. He has an unique sound, but so do many other guitarists (i.e. that part is replaceable). His image, however, was/is totally beyond any guitarist ever. Not to undermine the relevance of that, but it doesn't contribute to the music at all. And music is what it's all about.?

Whereas Izzy was 100% musicianship and was therefore the biggest single roster loss GNR ever suffered!

Slash was not about the image. It just so happened he was an amazing guitarist who wrote killer GNR songs whilst also having a great image.

Izzy was a major blow to the band when he left thats undisputed. Why hes touring with this line-up though is beyond me. Must have a new album out soon.

[Catt]

As we all know, everyone is in support of Axl Rose and the new GNR.  But here's one thing I've always wondered.  Would we still support the band if Slash, Duff and Matt had kicked Axl out, bought the rights to the GNR name and kept the band going with a new singer?  Some argue that Axl Rose is not Guns N' Roses while some think it's ok.  On the flip side, would it have been ok for Guns N' Roses to live on without Axl Rose as the front man?  Which scenario is better?  To this day, people out there associate Axl and Slash as the core of Guns N' Roses.

I'm curious to see what everyone thinks...

Neah....wont be GNR without Axl's voice. But still it would be a great band

[Steel_Angel]

"Axl Fucking Rose is the heart and soul of GnR. New GnR kicks the fucking shit out of Velvet Revolver."

  sad (for slash fans) but true.

[Axlative]

Slash was not about the image. It just so happened he was an amazing guitarist who wrote killer GNR songs whilst also having a great image.

And that's why his bands have released GNR-quality material for over a decade now... 

[Origen]

"Axl Fucking Rose is the heart and soul of GnR. New GnR kicks the fucking shit out of Velvet Revolver."

  sad (for slash fans) but true.

It isn't true it's just your opinion, which I don't regard highly at all.

[Jim Bob]

"Axl Fucking Rose is the heart and soul of GnR. New GnR kicks the fucking shit out of Velvet Revolver."

  sad (for slash fans) but true.

and anyone who wuld say otherwise clearly is tone deaf or just has horrible taste in music 

[Locomotive98]

Slash was not about the image. It just so happened he was an amazing guitarist who wrote killer GNR songs whilst also having a great image.

And that's why his bands have released GNR-quality material for over a decade now...?

Of course it wont be up to old GNR standards, GNR was a sum of its parts.

How many albums have 'GNR' or Axl released in 10 years?