a fans thoughts

[coldenim]

     I can't believe the dedication of this band, this time around. I never thought in a million years that Axl would care this much about this new version of Gnr, to make it happen.? I hate that I couldnt make any of the over seas concerts, but all the footage I have seen leaves me in a state of happiness toward the new band.? In 2002 I loved the new songs presented yet I wasnt into the new band.? They all seemed to not mesh well in communication, over all sound, and as cliche as this sounds, image wise either.? Nothing looked exactly together, nothing looked like it was suppposed to be.? Yet I still had hope that maybe one day I could see them in a new light, that I could be very excited about what this new band had to offer, for the obvious shoes it had to feel.?
     Now to the present, I am very glad buckethead is gone, incredible guitarist, but a narssicist all the way.? Ron Thal fits so well, he is one of the most compassionate guys toward the fans, never ceasing to email you back, because he never has forgotten where he came from.? Robin finck what can I say, he has worked very hard, and it shows, he looks and plays like a guy who has been reborn.? He looks like he tasted from that fountain of youth, a 70's classic rocker reincarnated in this modern age, on his way to show the world what this band can do.? I cant honestly say, with out looking back, I really wouldnt want a reunion.? Whats done is done, every wonderful bitter sweet page of the latter has passed on in the annuls of the past never to be forgotten.? I think that is best just to leave it well enought alone.? Izzy, so glad to see he is excited about this new line up, he is a free spirit coming and going, and better yet revisiting his old friend.? I am so glad to see Axl and Izzy together again.? Axl has gotten all the confidents back, playing with the old screech and singing like the rock star he will always be.?
     I just hope here in North America Gnr can hit it big, with all the risks involved, with all the water down generic rock that has unwantingly graced are presents all these years, I hope that gnr can be on top again.? One day and I hope it is very soon, that this band, along with the release of a seemingly legendary album can bring crowds down toward madison square gardens with a motorcade of police paving the way for the beasts that will come and tear the roof off of all this melow dramatic zoo that is the music scene. showing the kids what real rock and roll is all about, this would be my dream as a fan that every young rock fan, can get the excitement again of seeing a great band,

[dolphin]

good point but dude, for us early risers, can you please use paragraphs

[mr self destruct]

Can I get Amen?

Good post man. 

[Slipdisc]

* I am very glad buckethead is gone, incredible guitarist, but a narssicist all the way. *

Out of the dozens of people Buckethead worked with, everybody (except Axl and some of his loyal servants on his pay role) describes him as one of the most loyal, friendly and mild-mannered persons they know.

Then Axl releases a statement (months before RiR) to safe his ass, blaming his absence (in progress) to Buckethead?s ?sudden? departure. Further reinforcing his victim-role by painting a portrait of Buckethead, nobody ever felt necessary to paint before. Nobody, in more then 15 years of his professional career. Yet every now and then, somebody like you comes around talking like dr. Phil about Buckethead?s obvious narcissism.

Well tell me, don?t you see the irony of your statements, derived from the one and only source ever to mention Buckethead in such a context ? Axl, in the context of Ron being hired a week before the NYC-shows?

-PEACE-

[coldenim]

Yes I respect that you are a follower of the buckethead...........and I respect your thoughts, first of all I never speculated that Axl was the person that got me on to thinking bucket head was all about himself.  This is my personal opinion no one on this earth influences me to think, but me.  I did congratulate him on his talents, yet the lack of personality, I was trying to convey, was hurting the band that used to be so vocal.  Buckethead is obviously all about himself.  He had nothing relevant to say, he never speaks, he shows no effort what so ever to communicate with his fans.  Where I come from that is important to do, you win respect, as opposed to making your money and fleeing the scene like a robot.  I know, I know you will say he owes nothing to anyone, his guitar does the talking.  Okay that is his game, but it is as you have seen, it did not work with gnr and it did not help anyone get to know the band.  So let him keep putting out robot records and fantisizing about godzilla,disney world and the chickens, and you keep buying his music like a real fan should, enjoy the coop.


P.S. A little off on my pop culture, so I indeed dont know who in the hell  Dr. Phil is, you past judgement when you imply that I watch the utter garbage that soils the air waves.  I do not listen to anyones opinion and make it my own, thanks

peace

[requiem156]

* I am very glad buckethead is gone, incredible guitarist, but a narssicist all the way. *

Out of the dozens of people Buckethead worked with, everybody (except Axl and some of his loyal servants on his pay role) describes him as one of the most loyal, friendly and mild-mannered persons they know.

Then Axl releases a statement (months before RiR) to safe his ass, blaming his absence (in progress) to Buckethead?s ?sudden? departure. Further reinforcing his victim-role by painting a portrait of Buckethead, nobody ever felt necessary to paint before. Nobody, in more then 15 years of his professional career. Yet every now and then, somebody like you comes around talking like dr. Phil about Buckethead?s obvious narcissism.

Well tell me, don?t you see the irony of your statements, derived from the one and only source ever to mention Buckethead in such a context ? Axl, in the context of Ron being hired a week before the NYC-shows?

-PEACE-

Hmmm...interesting post. Of course, most rock stars are narcissists, and neither Buckethead nor Axl are exceptions. Why else would you pursue notoriety? Buckethead clearly has the musical skills to be a successful session player, back-up musician, or respected shredder, without the theatrical affectations, but he obviously wants to be noticed for something beyond his musicial skills. So what? It's not a necessarily a diss, but nonetheless, he may not be an ideal team player whether Axl's statements are accurate or not. No one here knows whether that is the case. Either way, it doesn't make me, as a guitar player, less a fan of his playing - he's obviously a phenomenal talent.

On the other hand, Ron Thal doesn't come across as separating himself from his fans in any respect. He's trying to make a living doing his thing, and apparently he was in the right place at the right time on the gnr thing. It's a positive thing for gnr fans that he is so unaffected, because there has been so little contact between the band and the fans. I have to agree with the original poster that the last thing this band needs is to be perceived as more strange and dysfunctional.

[TheMole]

I have to agree with the original poster that the last thing this band needs is to be perceived as more strange and dysfunctional.

Dysfunctional is almost a synonym for "Rock N' Roll". A Rockband needs an edge, not some guy sending everyone their own personal christmas card and calling for a audience grouphug after each song. (I know I'm exaggerating...)

[babydolls]

interesting post Mack10. ?I saw gnr for the first time in 2002 - though had been a longtime fan for some 13 years previous (was too young to see them first time round as they didnt play in my country, scotland - grrrrr). ?Though I loved the fact I got to see Gnr, and had a great time - that show felt more like I was seeing just Axl - I thought the band played very well, ?but they did seem very far away from the band I've now seen at Hammersmith and Donwload. ?They feel, look , sound and behave like a tighter, more hungry band. ?I've always felt that Bucket stood a little apart from being in a band - as he is such an isolated figure.

I know he's an amazing player, and I really enjoyed seeing him play that night, but, I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I find it very hard to relate to a musician who wears a mask constantly. ?I want to see the music affecting a player and their reactions to a live gig and all that goes with it.

I agree with Mack that bucket didnt gell into a band unit anything like as well as Ron - part of that is good for bucket - hooray for him, but it wasnt great for GnR. ?I think the current line-up is the line-up that will stay for some time. all credit to them

[requiem156]

I have to agree with the original poster that the last thing this band needs is to be perceived as more strange and dysfunctional.

Dysfunctional is almost a synonym for "Rock N' Roll". A Rockband needs an edge, not some guy sending everyone their own personal christmas card and calling for a audience grouphug after each song. (I know I'm exaggerating...)

Yes, you are, so what's your point? Do you think it's better for gnr to be perceived as an Axl project with sidemen who never interact with the fans? To perpetuate the opinion that Axl is a self-involved jerk who doesn't care about his fans? Of course, a rock band needs an edge, but you get that through the music, not by wearing a mask constantly and doing interviews via a hand puppet - those are strictly cosmetic details. I'm not down on Buckethead, incidentally, just responding to your post.

[mr self destruct]

Well, I remember when I first found out that Bucket was in the band in 2001, I thought it was cool as hell. I didn't know him before he joined the guns, but I found out that he is a great and very talented musician.

Back in the day, Axl was wearing jerseys, Robin was goth and Bucket was... well Bucket and I still thought the new line up was great, so I wasn't really looking for a change in it. Now Axl dresses cool, Robin is a hippie and there's no Bucket but there's Bumble and I think, well it could be a change for a better outer look for the band, but it isn't really a big matter to me. I'm just happy for those old Gn'R fans that thought the band had become a freak show, that now can have a rest on their poor souls.

But now when I think about 2002, when I compare it to this Europe tour 2006, it seems like a distant nightmare... All things weren't good in the band, and that's not just Axl having motivation problems... When you read Axl's press release or Tommy's comments or the fact that Bucket's friend Brain stayed in the band when he didn't, I come to conclusion that it is best for the band that Bucket is no more with it.

[Nayl]

 Nice post. As for the whole Ron/Buckethead thing,Buckethead is a great player there is no doubt about that but as others have said I just never felt any real connection with him or they he fit in well with Gun's.


  Ron is awesome here is a guy who is a great player and has never let anything go to his head he is the type of guy who still thinks of himself as a regular guy who honestly cares what the fans thinks and does not mind at all spending hours replying to emails and such Ron imo is a much much better fit for Gun's.

[Ignatius]

This thread could only lead up to "Buckethead Vs Bumblefoot", Izzy going back to GNR or I love this version of GNR more than the one in 2002...

All topics above have been discussed many, many times.

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