JULY 18TH, Sheffield, England, Hallam fm arena!!!! UK tour stop 1!!!

[Thorazine Shuffle]

I'm willing to bet that the issue with Ron last night had to do with his foot guitar.

It seems very strange that he didn't use this guitar.? I don't think it was broken, as the roadies take very good care of all the equipment on the tour.

Maybe Axl told Ron to lose the foot guitar? ?

It's just a theory though.

At the bumbleforum, a poster noticed a few shows back that the Bumble guitar had a large crack in the neck.

ew....maybe it got too bad to stay in tune or play

I don't think the guitar being damaged would make Ron sulk onstage like that.?

He could easily send the guitar to viger and have it fixed.

Ron's comment to a fan after the show seem a bit worrisome though.

What comment was that?

[Neemo]

I'm willing to bet that the issue with Ron last night had to do with his foot guitar.

It seems very strange that he didn't use this guitar.? I don't think it was broken, as the roadies take very good care of all the equipment on the tour.

Maybe Axl told Ron to lose the foot guitar? ?

It's just a theory though.

At the bumbleforum, a poster noticed a few shows back that the Bumble guitar had a large crack in the neck.

ew....maybe it got too bad to stay in tune or play

I don't think the guitar being damaged would make Ron sulk onstage like that.?

He could easily send the guitar to viger and have it fixed.

One theory was that the guitar was broken by a tech----we are just trying to wade through the speculation.

Ron's comment to a fan after the show seem a bit worrisome though.

What comment is that?

Thorazine I know i'd be bummed if my favorite guitar was busted....but i only have one, and I'm not rich so ?

[Thorazine Shuffle]

Oh I would be bummed as well Neemo.

But he's sponsored through Viger.  They custom made his guitar and can do neccessary repairs.

If I was in that situation, I would be bummed for sure, but walking off-stage and looking pissed for over 2 hours?

I don't know, I think his issue last night is a bit deeper than that.  but who knows?

[Neemo]

Oh I would be bummed as well Neemo.

But he's sponsored through Viger.? They custom made his guitar and can do neccessary repairs.

If I was in that situation, I would be bummed for sure, but walking off-stage and looking pissed for over 2 hours?

I don't know, I think his issue last night is a bit deeper than that.? but who knows?

yeah i hear ya about the repairs but he'd prolly lose it for the remaining shows on this tour and maybe he is really attached to it ....but you are right, who knows indeed, except those in the band or close to it

[killingvector]

I'm willing to bet that the issue with Ron last night had to do with his foot guitar.

It seems very strange that he didn't use this guitar.  I don't think it was broken, as the roadies take very good care of all the equipment on the tour.

Maybe Axl told Ron to lose the foot guitar?  

It's just a theory though.

At the bumbleforum, a poster noticed a few shows back that the Bumble guitar had a large crack in the neck.

ew....maybe it got too bad to stay in tune or play

I don't think the guitar being damaged would make Ron sulk onstage like that. 

He could easily send the guitar to viger and have it fixed.

One theory was that the guitar was broken by a tech----we are just trying to wade through the speculation.

Ron's comment to a fan after the show seem a bit worrisome though.

What comment is that?

Thorazine I know i'd be bummed if my favorite guitar was busted....but i only have one, and I'm not rich so 

It was in the Appetite for Collection section, I'll dig it out......hold on a sec.......

from greendog

yeah, i was at the show... and i talked to bumblefoot at the end... got a photo too Smiley

he was sad, he didnt seem very happy and was very apologetic saying "sorry i couldnt have performed better" (not the song, just better in general) i told him he played well and not to worry about it.

he was late on stage, i dont think he came on 2 or 3 songs into the set and when he did come on im sure i saw him give the finger to someone, dunno if was someone in the band or the band or sound guy.

but anyway, he wasnt on stage nearly as much as he usually is... he didnt even come on for paradise city (i dont think so anyway)... he definatly didnt come onstage after with the rest of the band and take a bow.

after i got a photo with him i said il cant wait to see him again, and he said "i hope so".... i hope he hasnt had a fall out with the band/axl or summin?

anyone got any info?

[Neemo]

It was in the Appetite for Collection section, I'll dig it out......hold on a sec.......

from greendog

yeah, i was at the show... and i talked to bumblefoot at the end... got a photo too Smiley

he was sad, he didnt seem very happy and was very apologetic saying "sorry i couldnt have performed better" (not the song, just better in general) i told him he played well and not to worry about it.

he was late on stage, i dont think he came on 2 or 3 songs into the set and when he did come on im sure i saw him give the finger to someone, dunno if was someone in the band or the band or sound guy.

but anyway, he wasnt on stage nearly as much as he usually is... he didnt even come on for paradise city (i dont think so anyway)... he definatly didnt come onstage after with the rest of the band and take a bow.

after i got a photo with him i said il cant wait to see him again, and he said "i hope so".... i hope he hasnt had a fall out with the band/axl or summin?

anyone got any info?

hmm...sounds like he was more referring to the fact that he didn't think that his performance was good enough and was afraid that he would be booted...from emails it seems to me that he is taking this tour as an interview so any bad performance would be a reason to get rid of him...also if he feels he let the fans down, then he is prolly bummed out cuz the fans seem to be a huge reason why he goes out to play every night.


again just my thoughts on that quote

Ron if you read this....cheer up dude you kick serious ass

[Ali]

I'm willing to bet that the issue with Ron last night had to do with his foot guitar.

It seems very strange that he didn't use this guitar.  I don't think it was broken, as the roadies take very good care of all the equipment on the tour.

Maybe Axl told Ron to lose the foot guitar?  

It's just a theory though.

At the bumbleforum, a poster noticed a few shows back that the Bumble guitar had a large crack in the neck.

ew....maybe it got too bad to stay in tune or play

I don't think the guitar being damaged would make Ron sulk onstage like that. 

He could easily send the guitar to viger and have it fixed.

One theory was that the guitar was broken by a tech----we are just trying to wade through the speculation.

Ron's comment to a fan after the show seem a bit worrisome though.

What comment is that?

Thorazine I know i'd be bummed if my favorite guitar was busted....but i only have one, and I'm not rich so 

It was in the Appetite for Collection section, I'll dig it out......hold on a sec.......

from greendog

yeah, i was at the show... and i talked to bumblefoot at the end... got a photo too Smiley

he was sad, he didnt seem very happy and was very apologetic saying "sorry i couldnt have performed better" (not the song, just better in general) i told him he played well and not to worry about it.

he was late on stage, i dont think he came on 2 or 3 songs into the set and when he did come on im sure i saw him give the finger to someone, dunno if was someone in the band or the band or sound guy.

but anyway, he wasnt on stage nearly as much as he usually is... he didnt even come on for paradise city (i dont think so anyway)... he definatly didnt come onstage after with the rest of the band and take a bow.

after i got a photo with him i said il cant wait to see him again, and he said "i hope so".... i hope he hasnt had a fall out with the band/axl or summin?

anyone got any info?

I think if anything, that supports the idea that he was upset  because of technical issues.  That "I hope so" doesn't necessarily mean that he hopes he's still with the band.  Could be he hopes the fan gets a chance to see the band again.

If he had a falling out with Axl, Axl wouldn't have put his hand on Ron's shoulders during the show.  I think Ron was just pissed because of technical issues.

Ali

[killingvector]

hmm...sounds like he was more referring to the fact that he didn't think that his performance was good enough and was afraid that he would be booted...from emails it seems to me that he is taking this tour as an interview so any bad performance would be a reason to get rid of him...also if he feels he let the fans down, which is how he seems to feel then he is prolly bummed out cuz the fans seem to be the sole reason why he goes out to play.

I totally agree with you which is why I am so disturbed by the comment.

[wells]

well we will know soon enough... nothing can suprise me anymore and I don't expect anything. BBF seems like a great guy... his guitar playing is skillful (it just looks to me that on every 2006 nightrain his guitar is way too low...). anyhow... to spread rumours now is wrong. just wait and see. and to be truthful to all of you and myself even if Izzy was back as permanent member and BBF has to go, I would be very sorry for loosing such a talented band member ?

[Eazy E]

Maybe Ron's dog died... and because most of the new songs need a third guitarist, they had to cut them out because Ron wasn't up for playing the whole gig.

Who honestly knows?

[Ali]

hmm...sounds like he was more referring to the fact that he didn't think that his performance was good enough and was afraid that he would be booted...from emails it seems to me that he is taking this tour as an interview so any bad performance would be a reason to get rid of him...also if he feels he let the fans down, which is how he seems to feel then he is prolly bummed out cuz the fans seem to be the sole reason why he goes out to play.

I totally agree with you which is why I am so disturbed by the comment.

That may be it, but I think that Ron is being too hard on himself if that's the case.  Everyone has off nights, and, again, if Axl was pissed at Ron for whatever reason, he wouldn't have interacted with him on stage.

Ali

[Thorazine Shuffle]

Thanks for looking that up for us killingvector.

[killingvector]

hmm...sounds like he was more referring to the fact that he didn't think that his performance was good enough and was afraid that he would be booted...from emails it seems to me that he is taking this tour as an interview so any bad performance would be a reason to get rid of him...also if he feels he let the fans down, which is how he seems to feel then he is prolly bummed out cuz the fans seem to be the sole reason why he goes out to play.

I totally agree with you which is why I am so disturbed by the comment.

That may be it, but I think that Ron is being too hard on himself if that's the case.  Everyone has off nights, and, again, if Axl was pissed at Ron for whatever reason, he wouldn't have interacted with him on stage.

Ali

I think its more than being hard on himself. Ron wasn't onstage for a significant part of the show. It wasn't a question of not performing well, he didn't perform many of the songs that he had a hand in from previous shows.

[the dirt]

and because most of the new songs need a third guitarist,

No they don't 

[Ali]

hmm...sounds like he was more referring to the fact that he didn't think that his performance was good enough and was afraid that he would be booted...from emails it seems to me that he is taking this tour as an interview so any bad performance would be a reason to get rid of him...also if he feels he let the fans down, which is how he seems to feel then he is prolly bummed out cuz the fans seem to be the sole reason why he goes out to play.

I totally agree with you which is why I am so disturbed by the comment.

That may be it, but I think that Ron is being too hard on himself if that's the case.  Everyone has off nights, and, again, if Axl was pissed at Ron for whatever reason, he wouldn't have interacted with him on stage.

Ali

I think its more than being hard on himself. Ron wasn't onstage for a significant part of the show. It wasn't a question of not performing well, he didn't perform many of the songs that he had a hand in from previous shows.

It could be more than that, but we don't know what.  I say we wait until today's show to see how things go before pressing the panic button.  It could have just been a bad night for a reason we may never know.  If something's up today, then it's time to be concerned.

Ali

[wells]

and because most of the new songs need a third guitarist,

No they don't?

You are right ?... they need a fourth guitarist also so Chris is playing Synth Guitar. hmmh, and nightrain is an old song, but it has at least 4 guitarist, maybe 5...

[killingvector]

and because most of the new songs need a third guitarist,

No they don't 

The new songs definately do. The band made a decision not to play them. The million dollar question right now is why?

Ron may have shown up late to the gig, forcing the band to go with a setlist heavy in the old stuff.

[madagas]

I hate to say this because he really does seem like a nice guy. But, after listening to the live twat and other recordings from the shows, Ron simply isn't on the level of Buckethead-in any aspect except he looks normal. If he isn't around, so what? Finck and Fortus are just fine. If they need a third guitarist to fill in the sound sometimes, a rhythm player like Izzy can do that. Finck and Fortus could handle the Bucket stuff we have heard on the demos-not just like Bucket but they could do it close enough and with their own style. I honestly thought Ron butchered the end of twat from Madrid and seems to butcher Nov Rain as well. Where Bucket shows restraint, Ron seems to shred more. I don't know...maybe it is just me. There is a time for shredding and a time for restraint, Bucket seems to have a better sense when it comes to performing live.

[Neemo]

I hate to say this because he really does seem like a nice guy. But, after listening to the live twat and other recordings from the shows, Ron simply isn't on the level of Buckethead-in any aspect except he looks normal. If he isn't around, so what? Finck and Fortus are just fine. If they need a third guitarist to fill in the sound sometimes, a rhythm player like Izzy can do that. Finck and Fortus could handle the Bucket stuff we have heard on the demos-not just like Bucket but they could do it close enough and with their own style. I honestly thought Ron butchered the end of twat from Madrid and seems to butcher Nov Rain as well. Where Bucket shows restraint, Ron seems to shred more. I don't know...maybe it is just me.

nesquick?

 

[madagas]

Scary thought huh? the difference is I love Bucket. So, in the end, we are mortal enemies.