Crack and my teenager...wtf to do

[kerry]

no way she'll be addicted after trying once. It's not heroin.

Even on smack ya get a hunymoon time same as crack.  As long as she aint takin anything ova a long time she be ok.

[Neemo]

no way she'll be addicted after trying once. It's not heroin.

Even on smack ya get a hunymoon time same as crack.? As long as she aint takin anything ova a long time she be ok.

I thought Crack was highly addictive

[the dirt]

Crack is way more addictive than heroin.

[D]

U cannot throw her out and turn your back on her as u may be the only thing stopping her from totally fuckin her entire life up.

If she is out on  her own and she feels abandoned. Pretty soon that guy will be her Pimp and he will be selling her body for Crack.

I see it happen all the time where Im from.

So u must intervene and do whatever it takes.

[MCT]

omg, my teenage daughter who has everything going for her(she'll be 18 tuesday) wants to go back out with a guy who does crack. they dated a few months ago and on about the 3rd date he took her to a crack house and she tried it!! when she got home at 3am i was ready to die, she was so messed up and could not stop chewing on her lip and talking stupid shit. so i did not let him come back, but now shes about to be 18- guess whos trying to show up again.,.i talked to him tonight and it wasnt good. he knows i forbid it but what can i do, shell be 18. ive told her if she sees him she has to move,,man i would die if that happened, you see she lost her father when she was 5 (he had cancer) and we have been very close. god i dont know what to do. pray a lot, but i actually want to hurt this guy real bad.. any suggestions or advice.

Yes.

Tell her to get high on life, that drugs are for losers and that the only way to live is to proudly live as a drug-free American.

And if that doesn't straighten her up, then you can always PM me for information regarding more...desperate...measures. But those would usually involve a large box of table salt, and I'm not quite sure if you're willing to go that far with it.

[SLCPUNK]

thanks to all for suggestions, right now i have tears because i dont know what to do, i couldnt kick her out because i love her soooo much. im just so damn scared that he wont give up, but i just hope my daughter has enough love and respect for me that she will not do this to our family.

Don't kick her out yet.

Love for you and her family can be trumped the moment addiction sets in. Don't fool yourself into believing otherwise.

Some people can smoke this shit off and on for a while and not get addicted, although most I have seen get hooked right away.

This is a life and death thing she is/has played with, so I will be very blunt. You do not have time to sit crying and being confused. You have to take charge of this situation right now, there is no time to waste.

[Elrothiel]

Don't kick her out.

Call the cops on that guy, no matter what your daughter does. She'll end up thanking you. Crack is an extremely dangerous and HIGHLY addictive drug, and if she tries it even a few more times, you won't ever get her to stop. Once a crackhead always a crackhead, and the same goes for smack.

Do NOT let her see this guy. If you have to, lock her in the basement! The only thing which can come from her seeing this guy is BAD... she'll end up selling her body for crack, and end up in the prison hospital system, and eventually die young.

I may only be 20, and I may love my BF, but if he started fucking doing crack or smack, I'd be out the door faster than you could say "Mr. Brownstone".

Your daughter will scream and shout and cry and put you on guilt trips and do everything she can think of to get you to let her see him, or she'll try and meet up with him on the sly... which is why you gotta lock her up until she realizes that he's a no-good-nick and she's better off without him.
She'll thank you in the end, and in the future, she'll look back and say "Maan, I was so fucking stupid wanting to still see that crackhead!".

She may be 18, but as her parent you are well within your rights to do what is right.

If you have to, take her on vacation for a month or two to another country, give her time to get over this guy, and give her lots of motherly advice.

[johnnythunders24]

i was in a relationship based on crack for a year...it ruined my life...its taken me too years to get outta trouble with the police...get my license back...etc...do anything to keep her away from the guy...when your doin crack you'll always choose the drug first....

[pebbles]

thanks! i am going to do all i can to keep her from him, i have told her i would die before i accept him and his bullshit story that "i quit". i am not stupid and know he did it many times and dont believe that crap. thanks to u all for your input even though i knew that anyone with a brain knows its one of the worst things u can do, i needed a place to vent and reading all your responses has helped me. if u believe in anything please pray for her that she will have the strength to not give in to his pressure.

[SLCPUNK]

thanks! i am going to do all i can to keep her from him, i have told her i would die before i accept him and his bullshit story that "i quit". i am not stupid and know he did it many times and dont believe that crap. thanks to u all for your input even though i knew that anyone with a brain knows its one of the worst things u can do, i needed a place to vent and reading all your responses has helped me. if u believe in anything please pray for her that she will have the strength to not give in to his pressure.

You need to get in touch with a board that is better for this subject matter.

I reccommend a recovery board that has a section for parents, or other family members affected by drug use. You will get a lot more useful information there. Better than an off topic board on a GnR forum.

[Timothy]

pebbles I wish you all the best in this situation.


And I agree with Slc . You will do better to try one of those boards.


 you might also want to try a local recover group(or something like that) and see if you can  some one who has went through this before to come and talk with your daughter .



Again best of luck

[Brody]

Do everything you can to get her away from that guy. ANYTHING.

Get her help RIGHT NOW. Even if that means a forced rehab facility.

Do not take this lightly. Tell that guy not to come around any more or you will call the police on him. Tell him you are serious.

Guys like that will end up using and abusing your daughter to support their crack habit. That is why he had her try it in the first place. She made a mistake and it is not too late to fix that, but you have to act right now with zero exceptions. Her life depends on it.

damn I knew we had something in common! its like almost word for word!

[Sakib]

kicking someone out is the worst thing ever. You given ultimatum; rehab and/or jail for my daughter if you truly love her. Whether law says or not, you are her mother, you have higher status and you have the power. go for it.

[lennonisgod]

Crack is way more addictive than heroin.

Wow, I've never heard a more delusive statement in my life.  Seriously, how can you say that crack is more addictive than heroin???  I'm not proud of this but I can offer a lot better advice than a lot of people here because I've lived through it and lived through it recently.  First of all, heroin is a phsyically addictive drug and crack is definitely not.  Once you are hooked on heroin, your body NEEDS it all the time.  If you're not getting high, you're getting sick as fuck.  Crack is cocaine, mixed with baking soda, cooked and then smoked.  The high is a lot more intense than that of cocaine but the high also lasts A LOT SHORTER.  I'm not trying to say in any way that crack is not an addictive drug BECAUSE IT SURE FUCKING IS!!!  I've seen so many lives thrown away on that bull shit and when I say ''lives", I mean entire fucking lives.  I've explained my situation before and before I give any advice I'll explain it again really quick.  I'm 24 years old and I started using drugs very heavily about 6 years ago.  This sounds pathetic but I just fell into that whole "drugs, sex, rock n' roll" cliche that so many people do.  I'm a singer\songwriter and front a band and started using drugs mainly for creative purposes at first.  First it was weed at an earlier age and then by the time I was 18 I was using coke, ecstasy, acid, shrooms, opium and whatever else I could find.  Soon it just dwindled down to doing coke everyday.  I spent well over 50,000 dollars on drugs in just a couple of years.  Anyway to the more recent shit, I first used Oxycontin (OC) about 2 years ago.  OC for those that don't know is basically synthetic heroin, very similar high, same addiction (A lot of people say it's worse), same "life ruining" traits that heroin has.  I was addicted for about a year and a half and was spending around 5,000 dollars per month on my habit at it's worst point, which was up until March of this year.  Maybe even a little into April.  I started my second rehab in April I think (first one went from January to March but I was kicked out for using) and it's been a fucking lifesaver!!  It specialilzes in Crack, Heroin and oxycontin addictions.  I'm about 15 weeks clean right now and haven't had ANY RELAPSES.  I'm the only one in the program that hasn't relapsed.  There is like a 5% success rate in the program (First time through success) or something so pathetic.  I take the medicine called Suboxone which is a new drug to treat my addiction.  It takes away my "dope sickness" and blocks the use of OC, meaning if I tried to do some right now, it wouldn't work and would just make me sick.  I'm doing this instead of methadone, which to me is not the right way to go anymore.  I want to be OFF of drugs at some point, not hooked on methadone.  This is an 18 month program and I am an outpatient right now and go to drug counseling once a week for a couple of hours.  I DO know a lot about CRACK addiction. My drug counselor was a Crack addict for many years and I have a lot of friends that have lost their lives to that drug.  Alright, so that's my long and boring intro.  Sorry, but I had to explain a little to show that I "sort of" know what I'm talking about at this point.

My advice for you Pebbles:

This is a really tough situation and I even called my drug counselor a few minutes ago for a little advice because I do care about your situation and I want to try to be somewhat of a help to you.  When she's 18 years old, there really isn't much you can do as far as telling her, "yes you can see him or no you can't see him."  Another thing you have to take into consideration is how many times has she used Crack or drugs before???  Do you know this was her only time or has she been using other drugs as well?  As others have said, she may need a treatment center of some type.  It would have to be something she would agree to though because she will be 18 years old soon.  Treatment will only work for those that know they need help and WANT help, otherwise it's a waste of time and money.  If you know she's been using, you could drag her ass to an NA meeting (Narcotics Anonymous) and let her see what that shit does to peoples lives.  It's free and there should be one in your area SOMEWHERE.  You just have to do a little research.  You could even take her to AA because even though it's generally for alcoholics, many drug users go there as well and I know some personally that do.  ON THE OTHER HAND, if you don't think she is a major drug user right now and all you want to do is avoid it from happening and stop her from seeing this cunt fuck, you need to talk to her.  If you are really close with her, be her mom and talk to her.  If you call the police on this guy, chances are they aren't going to do anything.  He would actually have to DO SOMETHING to you for them to take any action.  But you may get lucky and find that police officer who may think it's worth taking a look into and following up on the call.  You may want to just take action before she turns 18 though and get that restraining order on the guy because you'd be surprised how HARD crack users try to avoid the police at all costs.  They hear the word "police" and they freak because they are so fucking paranoid from the drug use already that they want no involvment with a mom that is willing to "fuck their life up."  So if she's not a user at this point, talk to her, call the police, get the restraining order and let that fucker know you aren't fucking around.  Lie to him if you want.  Tell him the police are watching his every move and make that fucker worry.  I'm telling you the truth, drug users hate authority and don't want to go to jail because they can't stop using their drugs.  The bottom line is and this is what all of the counselors, doctor's, etc. have told my mom (Who has been there for me since day fucking one) and that's "just be his mother and be there for him."  So take that advice and go take action TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!  Don't put this shit off until tomorrow or whenever, do it now!!!!  This may not have helped you at all, but at least I tried.  I'm not a complete dumb ass after all the drugs, I'm almost done with college with a business major and will probably (ironically) end up doing something with Criminal Justice.  In a couple of years I hope to be counseling kids and adults (as a side job) that are addicted to drugs and try to help and change lives.  But I wish the best to you and good luck with everything.  You can do it and just follow those motherly instincts because that's something I can't tell you anything about.  Go help your daughter before she gets to the point I and so many others have been at and change her life.  Help that girl want to change her life and the direction she is going...

Mitch

[pebbles]

  lennonisgod-aka mitch, thanks so much for your thoughts and advice on this, i am going to do whatever it takes to keep this son of a bitch away from her. I am very happy for you that you are staying away from all that shit that does nothing but get control of your life and brings you down. I must admit when i was say around 18-26 or so, i tried a few things, coke once, pot for about a year, drank some but that is about all, so i am not an expert on this stuff, like someone who has actually lived thru addiction and god i can only imagine how terrible that is. I also pray a lot. You sound like you got yourself together now, just keep it that way, ok. Take care and again thanks.

[the dirt]

Crack is way more addictive than heroin.

Wow, I've never heard a more delusive statement in my life.? Seriously, how can you say that crack is more addictive than heroin?

Lennon, I know drugs very well. I'll explain why I stated this later on when I have more time. I stand by my statement in general.

I'm glad you're doing OK with your situation.

[lennonisgod]

lennonisgod-aka mitch, thanks so much for your thoughts and advice on this, i am going to do whatever it takes to keep this son of a bitch away from her. I am very happy for you that you are staying away from all that shit that does nothing but get control of your life and brings you down. I must admit when i was say around 18-26 or so, i tried a few things, coke once, pot for about a year, drank some but that is about all, so i am not an expert on this stuff, like someone who has actually lived thru addiction and god i can only imagine how terrible that is. I also pray a lot. You sound like you got yourself together now, just keep it that way, ok. Take care and again thanks.

You are very welcome and I can only wish for the best.  Addicition is a very terrible thing and I hope your daughter never has to experience what I have and what many others on this board have experienced.  As far as praying goes... I like the idea that you pray a lot.  Being addicted to drugs definitely strained my relationship with God and at one point I may have even stopped believing in God altogether.  I am slowly trying to regain my faith and as life gets better and better, it does get easier.  All I can say is and I know that you know this already, but NEVER give up.  Never give up on your daughter and never stop fighting for her.  You will be alright and in the end, you will prevail.  Don't let anyone fuck with you.

[lennonisgod]

Crack is way more addictive than heroin.

Wow, I've never heard a more delusive statement in my life.  Seriously, how can you say that crack is more addictive than heroin??? 

Lennon, I know drugs very well. I'll explain why I stated this later on when I have more time. I stand by my statement in general.

I'm glad you're doing OK with your situation.

I'm not saying that you don't know drugs very well and I'm not going to argue about which is more addictive.  Heroin is a physically addictive drug and people can become hooked on it after one use.  The body begins to NEED the drug in order to function properly.  Otherwise you'll be puking non-stop, shitting in your puke, cold sweats, shaking really bad, muscle aches and pains, etc.  Crack is a mentally addictive drug, the same as cocaine.  I guess you could really look at it two ways and I'll try to see if maybe you are looking at from a different viewpoint.  The bottom line, take away all outside resources and help of any kind and give one person heroin and one person crack, it will be harder for the heroin addict to stop and "cold turkey" the drug.  But if you look at it from the viewpoint maybe you are seeing it from (I'm guessing this might be how you are looking at it), crack would be the worse of the two addictions because there are better treatments for heroin.  You can get on Methadone or the medicine I'm on, Suboxone, and your sickness goes away and that's it.  Stay away from the drugs.  Crack however isn't as simple as giving somebody medicine and making them stop that way.  So to say that crack may be the worst of the two addictions, you could be right because as I said, heroin has better treatment methods.  So let me know if that's the point of view you were looking at.  Thank you very much by the way for hoping that I'm doing well.  That really means a lot.  I am going to take away my statement from before when I said, "I've never heard a more delusive statement in my life..." because I didn't really look at the way I am now.  They are both very terrible and I do know that heroin is the more addictive drug but it may not be the worst addiction.  So that's my little argument and I have drug counseling tomorrow and I'll bring it up to my counselor Clarence, an ex Crack addict.  I did a little research on the web for other opinions as well and it really goes both ways so I'll respect what you said and leave it at that.  Thanks again for the kind words by the way and I hope everyone else is doing ok and trying to stay away from drugs.  I know we have a ton of pot heads here and God do I wish I could smoke some weed, but I think I'm really done with all drugs for good.  They really don't lead a person anywhere.  I learned the hard the way.  Peace out people.

[Walk]

Crack and heroin are mind-destroying drugs. Even a few uses of these hardcore drugs will damage the brain. Show your daughter the "faces of meth" to see what drugs will do to one's looks. Look at this.

http://methsomesideeffectsmayoccur.ytmnsfw.com/

Crack will do the same thing to a person. Amphetamines are hell. Even though showing "looks" is very superficial, discussing the brain's receptors and neurons might be over her head.

Heroin is terrible, and physically addicting, but it won't damage the brain the way crack will. The brain literally overheats from crack, destroying it over time. It's hell on the heart, too. Heroin is an opioid, a type of narcotic, so at least there are rehab drugs like Methadone that can help beat the addiction. There are drugs that help beat crack addiction, but it's still a tougher nut to, well, you know. 

Do NOT try to move her somewhere to get away from the drugs. Drugs are not just "in da 'hood". They're everywhere. In rural areas, meth is available, and it is the worst drug ever. Get her away from the guy she was with, and into rehab ASAP, even after just a single use of that stuff.

[lennonisgod]

Crack and heroin are mind-destroying drugs. Even a few uses of these hardcore drugs will damage the brain. Show your daughter the "faces of meth" to see what drugs will do to one's looks. Look at this.

http://methsomesideeffectsmayoccur.ytmnsfw.com/

Crack will do the same thing to a person. Amphetamines are hell. Even though showing "looks" is very superficial, discussing the brain's receptors and neurons might be over her head.

Heroin is terrible, and physically addicting, but it won't damage the brain the way crack will. The brain literally overheats from crack, destroying it over time. It's hell on the heart, too. Heroin is an opioid, a type of narcotic, so at least there are rehab drugs like Methadone that can help beat the addiction. There are drugs that help beat crack addiction, but it's still a tougher nut to, well, you know. 

Do NOT try to move her somewhere to get away from the drugs. Drugs are not just "in da 'hood". They're everywhere. In rural areas, meth is available, and it is the worst drug ever. Get her away from the guy she was with, and into rehab ASAP, even after just a single use of that stuff.

I definitely agree with you.  There really is no place run to get away from drugs.  They ARE everywhere just as you said.  I also couldn't agree more than Meth is the worst drug ever.  It really is the fucking devil and it will eat away at your body with every single fucking use.  That's one thing I'm so happy I never even tried because it's supposed to be the "greatest high" and I don't know if I could have controlled myself.  There is one form of meth, I can't remember what it was called but Rollingstone did an article a few years ago on it, and I guess the first hit is the equivalent to having 10 orgasms at one time.  That's the absolute truth to!!!  I will never forget reading that because it just seems so fucking inconceivable.  But anyway, there is no where to hide from the drugs and rural place these days might be the worse off.  All of the meth labs that are everywhere in rural areas are completely destroying small towns.  The shit that goes into making meth is all terrible, terrible stuff and I can't imagine sitting there and smoking\snorting\shooting up that shit all day long.  That's my two cents.