Chinese Democracy Reviews?

[Locomotive98]

Never mind what the reviewers think, do you guys actually think it'll be worth the 15 year wait with songs like Rhiad and Madagascar on it?? A 15 year wait for an album of average songs by a band calling themselves Guns N Roses that doesnt actually have any members of GNR in it apart from Axl?

I certainly dont, but I'll give it a listen.

If the reviewers dissect it and say 'it wasnt worth the wait', or 'this isnt Guns without Slash etc' its probably because its true.

Do you buy Ozzy albums and then say to your mates 'Oh man, this new Sabbath album rules'?

[liesin]

Never mind what the reviewers think, do you guys actually think it'll be worth the 15 year wait with songs like Rhiad and Madagascar on it?? A 15 year wait for an album of average songs by a band calling themselves Guns N Roses that doesnt actually have any members of GNR in it apart from Axl?

I certainly dont, but I'll give it a listen.

If the reviewers dissect it and say 'it wasnt worth the wait', or 'this isnt Guns without Slash etc' its probably because its true.

Do you buy Ozzy albums and then say to your mates 'Oh man, this new Sabbath album rules'?

I think your way wrong about those new songs, I've seen on show so far and the new songs totally rocks. All old and new demos drifting around is nothing compared to the live versions. Madagascar is a really good song, as for rihad I can't tell cause i've only heard some early demoversions.

Better, IRS, TWAT, Madagascar, Chinese Democracy, that's a fucking good start to a great album. Give me CITR and things will fly!

[liesin]

fucking forgott the blues, that's another kick ass song.

[Locomotive98]

Fair enough, thats your opinion. TWAT is the only really impressive song imo - the rest are average. I listen to them a lot, and they just never click.

But we'll have to wait til the album wont we.

[marcelj]

I think you guys are wrong. After the concert in Nijmegen (Holland) July 2nd, I collected all the Dutch newspapers, and out of 6 articels, there was 1 negative, saying Axl's glory days are over, where's Slash bla bla bla....

5 articels were really positive, saying it was a great show (BETTER THAN 13 YEARS AGO) and that Axl found real good replacements for Slash, and they didn't even mis him anymore (neither do I)

I think with the album comming out and all, it will be kinda like the same, but they will say it should be released in 1996, but maybe they are right....

I think the world is ready for Guns N' Fuckin' Roses again... 

[jameslofton29]

Never mind what the reviewers think, do you guys actually think it'll be worth the 15 year wait with songs like Rhiad and Madagascar on it?? A 15 year wait for an album of average songs by a band calling themselves Guns N Roses that doesnt actually have any members of GNR in it apart from Axl?

Nothing is worth a 15 year "wait", But that doesn't mean it cant be an amazing album. The "its not GNR" thing isn't a dead horse, its a fossilized dinosaur. Get over it.

[dizzy68]

 They'll say it's lackluster and mediocre. We waited over 10 years for THIS?

This CD has been so long in the making that expectations are way to high. It's almost impossible for this CD to rise to the occasion no matter how good it is. It's going to get trashed.

[jameslofton29]

This CD has been so long in the making that expectations are way to high. It's almost impossible for this CD to rise to the occasion no matter how good it is. It's going to get trashed.

I think the leaks helped solve this problem. It lowered expectations to a more realistic level. Now people know it can be amazing, but its not going to change the world.

[WARose]

This CD has been so long in the making that expectations are way to high. It's almost impossible for this CD to rise to the occasion no matter how good it is. It's going to get trashed.

I think the leaks helped solve this problem. It lowered expectations to a more realistic level. Now people know it can be amazing, but its not going to change the world.

people who ever thought it was going to change the world were stupid anyways.....

chinese democracy will make my next 5 years from what i`ve heard allready. maddy, IRS and better live at rock am ring were the best songs i`ve ever listened to. really awesome moments!

wait for the proshot. the performance was absolutely flawless. of course it`s a matter of taste anyways, if you like the songs or not... but i know that i`ll be satisfied when i get the studio versions    and that`s what matters to me: if I like it or not....

the album will get lots of good reviews, but also tons of negative reviews i suppose....  i seriously don`t think any star has as many haters as axl rose. there might be many people who don`t like the music, but that`s usual. in this case however, many critics have allready written the basics of their reviews before they even listened to the actual music

[GNFNRAXL]

Never mind what the reviewers think, do you guys actually think it'll be worth the 15 year wait with songs like Rhiad and Madagascar on it?? A 15 year wait for an album of average songs by a band calling themselves Guns N Roses that doesnt actually have any members of GNR in it apart from Axl?

I certainly dont, but I'll give it a listen.

If the reviewers dissect it and say 'it wasnt worth the wait', or 'this isnt Guns without Slash etc' its probably because its true.

Do you buy Ozzy albums and then say to your mates 'Oh man, this new Sabbath album rules'?

I wouldn't say that the new songs suck.  I love almost all of them except Silkworms.  Are they earth shattering like AFD was?  Absolutely not and that is why the critics MAY BE harsh on CD.  No matter how good it will be, IT CAN'T be better than AFD and if it is not better tha AFD the critics will say that we waited 15 years for something that is ordinary.  Will they be right?  A little.  Doesn't mean it can't be a fantastic album.  Just not an album that was worth waiting 10 to 15 years.  And Axl should've thought of that.  I think the critics would be more fair if he'd release all 3 albums at the same time.  That's if it is true that 3 albums worth of material was recorded. 

As for your remarks about the Ozzy albums.  Anybody that believes that this is really GNR is fooling themselves.  Is it a solo album?  Yes and no.  Remember that the rest of the band has a lot of input on the writing of the songs, selection of songs that make the album etc.  I would've preferred he called it something else but he didn't and I can absolutely live with that as I am still a fan of Axl's work and a fan of Tommy, Robin, Richard and even Buckethead's work (that's if his parts remain on the album).  And comparing the current lineup to the old one is like comparing apples and oranges.  And something that is not fair to either lineup of GNR.   

[Axl4Prez2004]

My predictions: ?(a bunch of a-holes taking out their hostilities on Axl)

Stuff like "Not bad, but over a decade for this?" and "It just doesn't feel the same without the classic group" and "6 out of 10 stars" or "3 out of 5 stars"

mmm.. but what if that is the case? what if those are fair comments? i would tend to agree if we have more than one Madagascar-quality turkey on board.

I think if it's a stunner, critics will have no choice but to give good reviews. So far, people have been fairly positive about the leaks - lets wait and see

"Madagascar-quality turkey???"  You are in quite the minority there.  Maddy is a very intense song.  It started great from the first time I heard it, and has gotten better in the European 2006 tour. 

[Axl4Prez2004]

didnt you know?
some people would consider Axl farting fabulous

This is by no means bashing you, but that is a really dumb statement.  I guess you are trying to be funny...I don't think it's funny.    Alot of folks get their kicks out of coming to a GNR board and being the guy or girl who pisses people off.  I think this might explain some of your posts. 

If we got 13 tracks of Silkworms and My World Part II, I'd find CD to be a piece of crap...however, if it has just 3 or 4 of the tunes I've heard already, polished in the studio, I will know half the album will kick ass! 

[RR Mafia]

Any music Journalist that is credible and really has a passion for Rock n Roll will love this album.  Guns n Roses has always been about putting out Quality records and critics know this. People may talk a lot of shit but at the end of the day the Rock world is very excited to hear this music because they know what Axl is capable of.   

Oh, so now if the critics dont like the album they have no integrity? Have you heard the album?

Where in my statement did I say that!?   

I Dont need to here the album to know that we are in for a treat.  I've seen the new band twice and heard 6 of the new songs live plus all the demos sound great.  This band is fantastic.  The rock world wants this to be great because there really hasnt been a truly classic album in a really long time.  They talk shit because they are hurt that it is taking so long, just like all of us fans.

Thats a big bloody assumption. CD could be very different from what we expect.

And people here are saying the critics have made up their mind about how the album will be 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on wether or not they think what they've heard so far is quality music.  I for one think that this bands new music is great.  I can only imagine what finished studio versions of these songs would sound like. Amazing.

I dont believe the critics minds are already made up.  I believe the critics that really care about quality rock music want Chinese Democracy to be great. 

How long has everbody been talking about when the next great classic album is gonna come out, or how there are no more real rock stars left.

People are pissed because they know Axl has been holding out on everyone. And they rip on him every chance they get.  But at the same time would love to rock out to a new kick ass GnR record.

[GNFNRAXL]

Any music Journalist that is credible and really has a passion for Rock n Roll will love this album.? Guns n Roses has always been about putting out Quality records and critics know this. People may talk a lot of shit but at the end of the day the Rock world is very excited to hear this music because they know what Axl is capable of.? ?

Oh, so now if the critics dont like the album they have no integrity? Have you heard the album?

Where in my statement did I say that!?? ?

I Dont need to here the album to know that we are in for a treat.? I've seen the new band twice and heard 6 of the new songs live plus all the demos sound great.? This band is fantastic.? The rock world wants this to be great because there really hasnt been a truly classic album in a really long time.? They talk shit because they are hurt that it is taking so long, just like all of us fans.

Thats a big bloody assumption. CD could be very different from what we expect.

And people here are saying the critics have made up their mind about how the album will be?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on wether or not they think what they've heard so far is quality music.? I for one think that this bands new music is great.? I can only imagine what finished studio versions of these songs would sound like. Amazing.

I dont believe the critics minds are already made up.? I believe the critics that really care about quality rock music want Chinese Democracy to be great.?

How long has everbody been talking about when the next great classic album is gonna come out, or how there are no more real rock stars left.

People are pissed because they know Axl has been holding out on everyone. And they rip on him every chance they get.? But at the same time would love to rock out to a new kick ass GnR record.

And that is just what it should be viewed as.  Another kick ass record.  And hopefully it will become a classic album (although CD is already a classic album due to the fact it is taking so long.)  And as long as it is viewd as that and not compared to AFD or even the UYI albums things will be more than allright of Axl and the band.

[jazjme]

MY prediction is that most of the reviewers today are younger more open minded folds then those that were workng almost 2 decades ago, and as many of us here adn fans that have been goin to adn seeing the shows from hammersteain in may are looking a tGNR in a differnt light.

One of the most stand out things I knowticed while wathcing the bottlegs of some of the shows from the Euro tour is .....oh my god, most of the crowd is full of peple that were my age when I firstl saw GNR, in 87. THis in it self says something to me, that this band has become more than legendary, new line up and all, that people are there for this incarnation, there is less and less wheres slash goin on .

WHen the album comes out, it will be reviewed fairly imo, and by most publications, but ya know there will be always some one who cant over tikme moving on, people , and things changing, so I expect all the retoric of prefab cmments, such as , "it took so long etcc".


I had a indept conversation with my dad (who is a product of the 60's, ), as far as bands and such, and hes amazed how GNR has survived and endured and is as strong as ever today as they were for me back in 87. See back in his days his heros all died, jimi, jim, janis, and it seemed to be the trend . WHile the rolling stones are still around whoring themselves to daytime tv , and making music they seem not to really care about, GNR specifically the new line up are fighting tooth and nail to let the fans know and naysayers that they are gonna fight the system. And whatever , it really comes down to the fans.

And there are many of us far and wide , near and far, across the globe, and we are the most critical.

SO if we dont like whats going on obviously there would be no more GNR, in any form,!.

SO back to the topic I think reviewers will definitly have to look at this with fresh ears, and opoen minds, cause, on one hand you can have your pre fab review to dismiss, or your pre fab, review to praise.

Either way I dont think thats smart, either way your fucked. Just wait and lsiten and be honest for what it is for today, !NOt yestersday , not a decade or so ago. BUT Musical content, social relivence, and spirit that captures, what is now. HEll isnt that what happened with AFD!!!!!!!!!

\Yeah I know long post , but I felt this, and fuck anyone who complains about my spelling. IF your that anal edit it.lol.  THis isnt about me and my grammer! SO rock the fuck on!!!!!!!!

[Shirell]

It wont matter if it's the most amazing album that has ever been released, the fact that it's been so long in the making will inevitably attract comments of 'a decade of waiting for this?'  It wont be good enough no matter how good it is.  Die hard fans like us will be grateful just to get our hands on the album, other people aren't going to give it the same chance in my opinion.

[jazjme]

It wont matter if it's the most amazing album that has ever been released, the fact that it's been so long in the making will inevitably attract comments of 'a decade of waiting for this?'  It wont be good enough no matter how good it is.  Die hard fans like us will be grateful just to get our hands on the album, other people aren't going to give it the same chance in my opinion.

on countraire, I beg to differ, if it is the most azaing album people will say so, but them again even like AFD< and countless other classic albums that only time can rate.

[russtcb]

I don't think the time span has anything to do with the review. I really don't think the people playng on the album should have anything to do with it. I certainly don't think what Axl does in his personal or public time should have anything to do with it.

I feel the the music press should be responsible for giving their readers an answer to this question: "Is Chinese Democracy a good Guns N' Roses album?". I feel that they should listen to the whole thing from start to finish and answer that question based soley on what comes out of the speakers. Not who is playing, how it was recorded, how long it took or anything else for that matter.

I just can't see that happening which is why I started the thread in the first place. I wanted to see if everyone felt the same way I do. It would seem that's the case so far.

[EFISH]

The most important thing to me, is just getting the album. Of course I want it to do good and of course I want it to sell alot. If its one of the best selling albums out there, the demand for the next album will be big and we will see album 2 sooner rather than later. But honestly, the last thing I'm worried about CD is the reviews. Just some dumbass saying whether or not HE liked the album or not. It means nothing. I just want US as a GNR community to have this album, we all deserve it after this wait, and I hope... and its inevitable that it will sell a shit load of copys. (a main reason for that is because of the name GNR).

[greekmule]

i dont care if the critics say that CD is not worth the 15 years wait.

what pisses me of is that most of the people who will claim this, have not waited for CD a week in their lifetime, let alone 15 years.

when CD is released get ready for some really hypocritical shit