Libanon - Israel - Iran - Syria - 3rd world war (no politics, promise!)

[Slashead]

and for once, i'm proud to be in FRANCE, no matter what you say, FRANCE recent decisions rock ahahah

France government is so hypocrite... France want to pass themselves off as virtuous... In fact, they are just allied with most of the Arab countries for decades.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

That is ridiculous.  violence is "your only help"?  It should be the last resort.

omg ! did u just say that ?

and thanks for responding to one line on my post

check my last lines

[jameslofton29]

and thanks for responding to one line on my post

Thanks for ignoring my entire post.

[nesquick]

France government is so hypocrite... France want to pass themselves off as virtuous... In fact, they are just allied with most of the Arab countries for decades.

I'm french but I have to agree with that. I just never understood this pro-arabic foreign political direction, it's a political suicide. And it's dangerous because islamists feel free to do everything they want in France. It's almost kinda their home country. But in less than a year, it is likely to change: NICOLAS SARKOZY will likely become the next President of France and he is pro-American. He loves USA, he fights islamism, and France will probably stop beeing a massive pro-arabic country. You know, it's time to cut the bridges with those crazy islamists. For too long, France "friendly" cooperate with them... especially the lefties governements (socialists, communists and all that crap)... years after years it became worthier and worthier.... they killed, insulted, injured people, they just brang the chaos in France (especially in the surbubs), and now it must stop. People are fed-up.
It is time to kick them off because they are fanatizing the young teenagers in the surbubs. What happened in London last year (English suicide bombers) could happen tomorow in France too. Interior threat. Don't believe the Islamism just exists in Iran or Syria, it also exists in Europe, and in France. It's time to bring back the republican laws. Sarkozy has enough charisma, courage and volunty to do the job. The law is the law. Everybody should respect the law.

[sjgotnitro]

Nice post.

 

with that attitude I might have to start demanding we call our freedom frys french again. 

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

France government is so hypocrite... France want to pass themselves off as virtuous... In fact, they are just allied with most of the Arab countries for decades.

I'm french but I have to agree with that. I just never understood this pro-arabic foreign political direction, it's a political suicide. And it's dangerous because islamists feel free to do everything they want in France. It's almost kinda their home country. But in less than a year, it is likely to change: NICOLAS SARKOZY will likely become the next President of France and he is pro-American. He loves USA, he fights islamism, and France will probably stop beeing a massive pro-arabic country. You know, it's time to cut the bridges with those crazy islamists. For too long, France "friendly" cooperate with them... especially the lefties governements (socialists, communists and all that crap)... years after years it became worthier and worthier.... they killed, insulted, injured people, they just brang the chaos in France (especially in the surbubs), and now it must stop. People are fed-up.
It is time to kick them off because they are fanatizing the young teenagers in the surbubs. What happened in London last year (English suicide bombers) could happen tomorow in France too. Interior threat. Don't believe the Islamism just exists in Iran or Syria, it also exists in Europe, and in France. It's time to bring back the republican laws. Sarkozy has enough charisma, courage and volunty to do the job. The law is the law. Everybody should respect the law.

nesquick, just move to israel or pakistan or what ever, if you hate france that much. i mean really.


oh, and for the foreigners, Sarkozy is like a the stupidest mofo on earth, looks like a rat, act like a rat, flirts with racism and populism, he is the worst. everybody hates him. beside 50 years old scared people.

nesquick really.
you don't like france
you love israel
why don't you move ?

[sjgotnitro]

France government is so hypocrite... France want to pass themselves off as virtuous... In fact, they are just allied with most of the Arab countries for decades.

I'm french but I have to agree with that. I just never understood this pro-arabic foreign political direction, it's a political suicide. And it's dangerous because islamists feel free to do everything they want in France. It's almost kinda their home country. But in less than a year, it is likely to change: NICOLAS SARKOZY will likely become the next President of France and he is pro-American. He loves USA, he fights islamism, and France will probably stop beeing a massive pro-arabic country. You know, it's time to cut the bridges with those crazy islamists. For too long, France "friendly" cooperate with them... especially the lefties governements (socialists, communists and all that crap)... years after years it became worthier and worthier.... they killed, insulted, injured people, they just brang the chaos in France (especially in the surbubs), and now it must stop. People are fed-up.
It is time to kick them off because they are fanatizing the young teenagers in the surbubs. What happened in London last year (English suicide bombers) could happen tomorow in France too. Interior threat. Don't believe the Islamism just exists in Iran or Syria, it also exists in Europe, and in France. It's time to bring back the republican laws. Sarkozy has enough charisma, courage and volunty to do the job. The law is the law. Everybody should respect the law.

nesquick, just move to israel or pakistan or what ever, if you hate france that much. i mean really.


oh, and for the foreigners, Sarkozy is like a the stupidest mofo on earth, looks like a rat, act like a rat, flirts with racism and populism, he is the worst. everybody hates him. beside 50 years old scared people.

nesquick really.
you don't like france
you love israel
why don't you move ?

Hey you need to calm down, he stated his opinion and you do not like it. Deal with it.

You got all pissy a few pages back and then some started to fight back at you becuase of your comments you got personel and then had a hissy fit and got mean.

You started this thread, keep on topic instead of giving low blows everytime someone disagrees with you.  

[Jessica]

I don't understand why Israel started all this, but i cannot and will not believe it is just for 1 soldier.
Most countries would have tried the diplomatic way and in not succeeding, they would have let him die.

You don't go on nuking countries for 1 man, they killed more soldiers of theirs for this and many innocents.

I strongly disagree with what Israel is doing and when i think they have the nuclear power, it gives me the chills.

[The Dog]

I don't understand why Israel started all this, but i cannot and will not believe it is just for 1 soldier.
Most countries would have tried the diplomatic way and in not succeeding, they would have let him die.

You don't go on nuking countries for 1 man, they killed more soldiers of theirs for this and many innocents.

I strongly disagree with what Israel is doing and when i think they have the nuclear power, it gives me the chills.

If your government shares the same mindset as you I'm glad I'm not a soldier in your country then.  I'm sure your troops would LOVE to fight for you knowing that if left behind they are on their own. 

Its also not JUST about the missing troops.  Hezbollah INVADED, CROSSED THE BORDER and killed troops (as well as kidnapping them).  That is an act of war.  This goes far behind "just one troop".  Its about enough is enough already.

[gilld1]

Israel did not start this, Hezbollah did. ?They invaded across the border, killed 8 soldiers and kidnapped 2 more. ?They have been lobbing rockets into Israel for years now. ?Lebaanon is being bombed because they failed to police Hezbollah as thye agreed to to when Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon. ?Hezbollah and Hamas are cowards and need to be dealt with and talks are not going to get it done. ?Israel has given them land and opportuities to halt their agression and they have not. ?

[The Dog]

That is ridiculous.  violence is "your only help"?  It should be the last resort.

omg ! did u just say that ?

and thanks for responding to one line on my post

check my last lines

Fighting back IS Israel's last resort.  They tried talking, they tried concessions and they still got missles and suicide bombers.  Israel is saying to Hezbollah, "Open war? Be careful what you wish for"

[Jessica]

Didn't know the whole thing ( didn(t watch tv or have the net for quite a while now).

Still ,although it's bad to breech the agreement, i am sure there would have been other ways around it all, don't you ?

[The Dog]

Didn't know the whole thing ( didn(t watch tv or have the net for quite a while now).

Still ,although it's bad to breech the agreement, i am sure there would have been other ways around it all, don't you ?

Honestly, no, I don't think there is at this point.  Unfortunately, innocent people are suffering as a result, but hopefully those being bombed and having loved ones kill will say "why is this happening" instead of saying "those who are bombing us will pay the price".  The WHY is very simple, hezbollah.  Put the shoe on the other foot, if Israel attacked Lebanon and then lebanon responded and civilians died, do you think any lebanese people would feel that sympathetic or will would they say "you shouldn't have attacked us in the first place".  The lebanese gov't has done nothing about Hezbollah, the arab world hasn't stopped Syria and iran from funding these radical terror groups.....if ONE good thing comes out of all this, its the hope that this has woken up the middle east and the arab world and they need to start policing their own instead of turning a blind eye and not speaking out when an established state is terrorized and attacked.

Personally, I hope the USA wakes up and realizes we need to find alternate sources of fuel ASAP.  Oh wait, we HAVE alternate sources to fuel, but ....oh nevermind, no need to open that can of worms 

[-Jack-]

France government is so hypocrite... France want to pass themselves off as virtuous... In fact, they are just allied with most of the Arab countries for decades.

I'm french but I have to agree with that. I just never understood this pro-arabic foreign political direction, it's a political suicide. And it's dangerous because islamists feel free to do everything they want in France. It's almost kinda their home country. But in less than a year, it is likely to change: NICOLAS SARKOZY will likely become the next President of France and he is pro-American. He loves USA, he fights islamism, and France will probably stop beeing a massive pro-arabic country. You know, it's time to cut the bridges with those crazy islamists. For too long, France "friendly" cooperate with them... especially the lefties governements (socialists, communists and all that crap)... years after years it became worthier and worthier.... they killed, insulted, injured people, they just brang the chaos in France (especially in the surbubs), and now it must stop. People are fed-up.
It is time to kick them off because they are fanatizing the young teenagers in the surbubs. What happened in London last year (English suicide bombers) could happen tomorow in France too. Interior threat. Don't believe the Islamism just exists in Iran or Syria, it also exists in Europe, and in France. It's time to bring back the republican laws. Sarkozy has enough charisma, courage and volunty to do the job. The law is the law. Everybody should respect the law.

nesquick, just move to israel or pakistan or what ever, if you hate france that much. i mean really.


oh, and for the foreigners, Sarkozy is like a the stupidest mofo on earth, looks like a rat, act like a rat, flirts with racism and populism, he is the worst. everybody hates him. beside 50 years old scared people.

nesquick really.
you don't like france
you love israel
why don't you move ?

Didn't YOU start this thread talking about how there wouldn't be personal attacks or generalizations?

Just because he doesn't agree with your opinion hes automatically a french hater and therefore MUST love Israel? Lol at that.

And people wonder why these political threads aren't around anymore. People can't handle them.

A good example of WHY people can't handle em is when people justify "saying stupid things" because "other people said stupid things." That has to be the dumbest crap I've ever heard.. if you want threads like this to survive you have to put yourself above insults.

"I did it because he did it first" doesn't justify anything.

i said some stupid shit cause people were talking out of their ass.
that's all.

And im sorry if it seems like im only picking on you, but your the one who started this thread.. so why not keep it the way you promised?

   -jack

[heinous]

P.S.? Don't worry about Iranian nuclear weaponry...Israel will destroy their capacity to create it 5 years before it's operational.? At least I hope!? The bigger worry is proliferation of nuclear material/weapons out of a rogue state like North Korea.? There are no easy answers.

That is what I have always said. Israel has the 4th largest Nuclear program in the world. They have nothing to fear from Iran. They have enough nuke power to blow them off the map in an instant. The leader in Iran was posturing to keep his base, and do some international saber waiving.

I find it very ironic that we invaded a country that was not threatening us, yet while N. Korea fires missiles into the ocean, we now speak of diplomacy and using the UN. Although nothing surprises me at this point.

Personally reading this thread has been rather disappointing. The general thought that everybody in the middle east is a terrorist, that civilians are merely casualties of war, that people in Iran just hate us for our way of life, leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. Mainly because it shows that nobody has learned a darn thing yet. As the violence escalates in that hellhole, the urge to look inward for answers and being honest about our role in the middle east completely vanishes. With that attitude, expect to see the bloodbath continue for some time. All sides mentioned have acted in such a way that would fall under the definition of terrorist; all of them.

How long do you intend to wax philosophical and self-flaggelate Mr. Introspection? ?Your relativist outlook on the Israeli/Arab conflict doesn't mean you're objective. ?You're just unwilling to face reality.? Your desire to understand and appease does no one any good.

A dysfunctional culture, an extremist-hijacked religion, politically oppressive regimes, and widespread corruption have created radical Islamic terrorism. ?America's involvement in the middle east, including their support for Israel, are simply used as scapegoat reasons.? The United States is absolutely right in backing Israel (that's what you do with allies), and Israel is absolutely right in responding to attacks by terrorist groups - who are supported by terrorist states - with swift and severe action. ?

Hamas and Hezbollah purposely target civilians. ?Israel does not target civilians, but rather the terrorists who hide amongst their own people. ?Considering the almost unending onslaught by the enemies that surround them, Israel has shown nothing but unbelievable restraint over the years. ?While both sides may have a long list of legitimate complaints, only one side actually desires peace. ?The other side wants nothing but death for Israel and the U.S, making little distinction between the two.

Frankly, it's time for Israel, the U.S., and the rest of the world to quit trying to handle the Arab/Muslim world with kid-gloves and break the collective back of radical Islam. ?The people themselves, such as the Palestinians who elected Hamas to lead them, need to be made to see that they will continue to suffer as long as they support the terrorists in their mist. ?

Those in Lebanon are learning this lesson now. ?If things do not change, it will have to be Iran and Syria next.

(By the way, this isn't armchair-toughguyism or sabre-rattling, just the cold, hard truth....)

[SLCPUNK]

POLITICS:

Israel Violates Law on U.S. Weapons in Mideast

Thalif Deen

UNITED NATIONS, Jul 17 (IPS) - Israel is in violation of U.S. arms control laws for deploying U.S.-made fighter planes, combat helicopters and missiles to kill civilians and destroy Lebanon's infrastructure in the ongoing six-day devastation of that militarily-weak country.

The death toll, according to published reports, is over 200 people -- mostly civilians -- while the economic losses have been estimated at about 100 million dollars per day.

"Section 4 of the (U.S.) Arms Export Control Act requires that military items transferred to foreign governments by the United States be used solely for internal security and legitimate self-defence," says Stephen Zunes, professor of politics at the University of San Francisco.

"Since Israeli attacks against Lebanon's civilian infrastructure and population centres clearly go beyond legitimate self-defence, the United States is legally obliged to suspend arms transfers to Israel," Zunes told IPS.

Frida Berrigan, a senior research associate with the Arms Trade Resource Centre at the World Policy Institute in New York, is equally outraged at the misuse by Israel of U.S.-supplied weapons.

"As Israel jets bombard locations in Gaza, Haifa and Beirut, killing civilians (including as many as seven Canadians vacationing in Aitaroun), it is worth remembering that U.S. law is clear about how U.S.-origin weapons and military systems ought to be used," Berrigan told IPS.

She pointed out that the U.S. Arms Export Control Act clear states that U.S. origin weapons should not be used for "non-defensive purposes."

"In light of this clear statement, the United States has an opportunity to stave off further bloodshed and suffering by demanding that its weaponry and military aid not be used in attacks against Lebanon and elsewhere, and challenging Israeli assertions that it is using military force defensively," she added.

That would demonstrate the kind of "utmost restraint" that world leaders called for at the G8 Summit of the world's most industrialised nations, which just ended in St. Petersburg, Russia.

The 25-member European Union has said that Israel's military retaliation against Lebanon is "grossly disproportionate" to the kidnapping of two Israeli soldiers last week by the Islamic militant group Hezbollah, which is a coalition partner of the U.S.-supported government in Beirut.

Israel has accused both Syria and Iran of providing rockets and missiles to Hezbollah, which has used these weapons to hit mostly civilian targets inside Israel.

Israel's prodigious military power -- currently unleashed on a virtually defenceless Lebanon -- is sourced primarily to the United States.

Armed mostly with state-of-the-art U.S.-supplied fighter planes and combat helicopters, the Israeli military is capable of matching a combination of all or most of the armies in most Middle Eastern countries, including Iran, Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

The air force has continued to devastate Beirut and its suburbs with no resistance in the skies during six days of incessant bombings, causing civilian deaths and infrastructure destruction.

http://www.ipsnews.net/index.asp

[The Dog]

I wonder if a major attack on US soil by a terrorist group today would change public opinion for Israel right now the way the madrid bombing made Spain pull out of Iraq.  According to an AOL poll a few days ago, most people in the USA think Israel is acting in the right and its response is appropriate.  But I wonder if a major attack on US soil with the culprits saying it was done b/c of US support for Israel would only make us more determined to destroy the terrorists or if some people would say, "why are we supporting israel anyways!!".  Just food for thought.

I take back what I said about this ending soon.....it sounds like Israel is digging in deep and this could go on for a few more months.  I think they need to stop the bombing though and just concentrate on their ground forces in the south.  Right now most of the world seems to think they are in the right, but if they keep on pounding away that will most likely change.

in other news, what is the deal with the USA's inability to evacuate people promptly....did we learn nothing from Katrina?  And I love how they want to charge people the cost of a ticket for getting them out of Lebanon.....  

From CNN.com

'Please get us out'

The Esseily family was winding up a vacation in Lebanon when the airstrikes began. Nearly a week later, they're still looking for a way to get back to California. "I have two kids [and] a baby, and they're scared. I'm scared," Monika Esseily said. The family also says that despite daily bombings, the U.S. Embassy's only response is "We will call you."

Quick, someone call Michael Brown!! What a joke.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

-Jack- and HannaHat,  Nesquick is someone .... special. just read how violent his words are.

[Brody]

Dude!! you are completly clueless arent you? A Terrorist Kid naps a Jewish Soldier.. = Israel does not want to deal with terrorist.. Why Because Legal Govt's do not deal with terrorist.. Think Of it like this.. Say that jewish soldier was to be your kid brother or sister.. Or lets say your mom was at the grocerie store and she happend to get a chunck of shrapnel in the throat.. Isreal does not attack them inless they are attacked! I know it's hard for you to understand that..

When Hesbolah kidnapped two IDF soldiers, Israel had every opportunity to react with a measured response. Blowing up the entire infrastructure (and killing civilians including children) of Lebanon lacked that measure.

This is the same kind of rhetoric that makes you out of touch..

[Brody]

I don't understand why Israel started all this, but i cannot and will not believe it is just for 1 soldier.
Most countries would have tried the diplomatic way and in not succeeding, they would have let him die.

You don't go on nuking countries for 1 man, they killed more soldiers of theirs for this and many innocents.

I strongly disagree with what Israel is doing and when i think they have the nuclear power, it gives me the chills.

Well coming from a Country with a Real MILITARY.. Israel Shares the same values that the American Military and Brits.. We leave no man behind.. We take are dead with us..

Did you forget when the us spy plane was forced down over china? Yea.. We almost went to war over that... Dont be afraid of Israel.. They're not the ones who commit genocide.. I beleive the holocaust took place in Europe.. What 60 years ago?? The Jewish people have to be extra vigilant.. what will it take for you people to understand this? another 6 million dead jews?