Libanon - Israel - Iran - Syria - 3rd world war (no politics, promise!)

[GeorgeSteele]

Personally, If I had my way, Id just have a huge wall seperate us in North America entirely from the Middle East.

Great idea! ?Imagine if there was enormous ocean separating North America from the Middle East? ?All our problems would be solved.

I think violence should be answered with violence - but only against the guilty parties. ?You do not bomb civilians, collateral or otherwise. ?It's obviously much easier to bomb indiscriminately, but it's flat out evil if you know innocent people would die. ?Besides, it just breeds more terrorism. ?

Don't these countries have access to hired assassins? ?Any decent hitman can get access to the heads of these terrorist organizations and then take care of business.

[jameslofton29]

I don't usually get into talking about Middle East Conflicts but I just want to say that it's sad that we can't find peace in today's world.

I was just thinking about that.

Even just a decade ago, you really didn't hear about nearly as much global conflict as we have today.

Life is really to short isn't it?

Yeah. Bring back Bill Clinton, Yasser Arafat and Yitzak Rhabin and life will be peaches n cream.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

Personally, If I had my way, Id just have a huge wall seperate us in North America entirely from the Middle East.

ahaha ahhaha ahahah. ahaha. ah .....ah.
i HOPE that was sarcastic, or maybe you missed out some geography lesson dude

terrorism cannot be killed by bombing places. simple.
terrorism feeds on violence.

simple iteration =
israel bomb his neighbor
the world hates them
the usa help them
the world hates them
new terrorists are raised
and new building are collapsing in NYC.

what's sad about you guys, is that we didnt rejoy in 9/11, we didnt do the " they got the taste of their own medecine" , when we saw the corpses of thousands fatasses in NYC, we thought it was sad.

but hey, that's just the way i was raised. i guess i'll have to give some phone calls to some member's mom here, uh uh jameslofton?

as long as israel won't get that bombs dont kill terrorims, the middle east is screwed, i mean p?rt of it, some countries are smiling right now looking at the oil barrel price


PEACE

[jameslofton29]

what's sad about you guys, is that we didnt rejoy in 9/11, we didnt do the " they got the taste of their own medecine" , when we saw the corpses of thousands fatasses in NYC, we thought it was sad.

Now you're just trying to piss people off. The reason normal people didn't "rejoice" on 9/11 is because we did nothing to deserve it. The only people who rejoiced were muslims. I will never forget all those Palestinians dancing in the street on 9/11. They should have been choking on napalm minutes after their celebrations. They aren't dancing now, are they? Funny how they dance to other people's suffering but don't dance to their own.

[sjgotnitro]

Personally, If I had my way, Id just have a huge wall seperate us in North America entirely from the Middle East.

ahaha ahhaha ahahah. ahaha. ah .....ah.
i HOPE that was sarcastic, or maybe you missed out some geography lesson dude

terrorism cannot be killed by bombing places. simple.
terrorism feeds on violence.

simple iteration =
israel bomb his neighbor
the world hates them
the usa help them
the world hates them
new terrorists are raised
and new building are collapsing in NYC.

what's sad about you guys, is that we didnt rejoy in 9/11, we didnt do the " they got the taste of their own medecine" , when we saw the corpses of thousands fatasses in NYC, we thought it was sad.

but hey, that's just the way i was raised. i guess i'll have to give some phone calls to some member's mom here, uh uh jameslofton?

as long as israel won't get that bombs dont kill terrorims, the middle east is screwed, i mean p?rt of it, some countries are smiling right now looking at the oil barrel price


PEACE

For a guy that started this thread promising not to stir shit up, you sure as heck have done the total oppostite. Your broad interpretation of america and isreal is BS. The guy with the most comments in this thread is you. The only thing you have created in this thread that as soon as someone has a different opinion than yours you beat them down until they do not reply anymore.

There is no way to have a discussion, with people or persons that already have there mind made up. Treehuggers and metrosexuals can kiss my ass.

For every point you have there are many that have a good counter points.

Obviously you do not like isreal or the us.

How can you blame the us for the hate in the middle east. There has been hate and fighting going on there for centurys.

So it is ok for terriorist to kill countless innocent humans of numerous races and just let them be. Fighting them or killing them does no good. That makes no sense. The people that are terroriost will perfrom terrorism until they are dead. So I say make them all dead.

There has been a global war with terriorism for ever and there was one for years before 9/11. ?You can not blame the us for everything.

My question to you is this. It is funny how the world forgets that when in a time of need the us has always been there. Sure the us is not perfect nor is any other country. But your logic in your previous post can not go unchallenged.

[sjgotnitro]

I get it now, you think we should leave the bin laden's , the Adolf's, the Milosevic's, basayev, Saddam's and countless other people alone. because when we let them alone they do not cause problems.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of innocent people that are dead.

Unfortunately you can never rid the world of all these people but you sure as hell can not ignore it.

The best thing that could happen to Lebanon is for Isreal to rid them of hezballoh. Period. The world including the us will give them money to rebuild there infrastucture and they will be able to be accepted freely in the world once hezzbaloh is gone.

[sjgotnitro]

Oh and innocent people will die in the process, but there is no way around it, you have 2 choices you live with terrorism and let them go on killing innocent people or you kill them and relize that some innocent poeple will die but maybe just maybe someday there will be no more terrorism.

Oh and there is no negotiating, it is one thing when it is a country your dealing with but when it is groups within groups there is no way to isolate them and deal diplomatically.

This says it best.

[Guns N RockMusic]

what's sad about you guys, is that we didnt rejoy in 9/11, we didnt do the " they got the taste of their own medecine" , when we saw the corpses of thousands fatasses in NYC, we thought it was sad.

And this shit is allowed to go with out any sort of condemnation?  So the vicitims of 9/11 were just a bunch of fatasses.  Fuck you.  If I didn't know that I had more class and have a bigger impact on this world than you will ever have, I might resort to your naieve and obviously uneducated level.  Maybe it's time you lay off the video games and get a clue as to how the real world works.

[sjgotnitro]

 Nice post gunslinger

[Mal Brossard]

I will never forget all those Palestinians dancing in the street on 9/11. They should have been choking on napalm minutes after their celebrations.

That footage you saw on the news wasn't from September 11, but rather footage from a celebration in the Middle East MONTHS before any attacks on US soil.  It was aired on September 11, claimed to be from that day, but was taken from events previous to the attacks.

[the dirt]

I will never forget all those Palestinians dancing in the street on 9/11. They should have been choking on napalm minutes after their celebrations.

That footage you saw on the news wasn't from September 11, but rather footage from a celebration in the Middle East MONTHS before any attacks on US soil.? It was aired on September 11, claimed to be from that day, but was taken from events previous to the attacks.

I was going to mention this. But regardless, celebrations like these most probably occurred in regions of the area where the footage in question was shot.

[sjgotnitro]

Alright, I'll weigh in on this.

Let me first say this: I am by no means an anti-Semite.? I am only anti-Zionism.

That being said, I sympathize with Palestine-- they were essentially pushed off their land by England in 1948 so the Jews could move in-- the ultimate culmination of the Zionist movement of 1880-1950.? How would you feel if you were essentially pushed off your land and told "Hey, move over so your biggest enemy of the last 2000 years can move in on this land"?? Then when you try to fight back, you get annhilated by a superior military backed by the major powers of the world and get restricted even further.

The only reason Israel exists is because of excessive guilt felt by most of the world for treating Jews as a separate race, eventually allowing them to be condemned under Hitler in the Holocaust. (By the way, the comment was made that Iran's leader denies the Holocaust happened.? I suggest you look into this further.? There is almost NO ONE who denies there was excessive persecution, imprisonment, and killing of Jews in Nazi Germany.? What is consistantly called "Holocaust denial" is really "Holocaust revisionism."? All that has been questioned on any basis is how many were killed, how they died, and why.? No one that I can find will refute the fact that the Holocaust happened, just to what extent.)

However, the Arab nations have gone on about this all wrong, as has really everyone involved.? The reason Arab countries have to resort to terror is because it's all they know.? When you have nothing to use to fight, you have to rely on anything you can get your hands on.? If that means guerilla warfare or even solo warfare (terrorism), so be it.

Since June 28, Israel has re-occupied Gaza, cut off their electricity and water, bombed an Islamic University, may have used biological or chemical weapons in Gaza, bombed the Beirut airport, bombed the Beirut-Damascus highway, bombed the bridges over the Awali and Litani rivers, bombed all over the Israel-Lebanon border, bombed Baalbek, sets up a blockade against Lebanon, and sank a Cambodian ship in Lebanese waters.? All Lebanon has done is see Hezbollah kidnap an Israeli troop or two, bomb Haifa (after being attacked), and bomb an Israeli warship.

On April 4, 2003, a European Union (EU) poll named Israel as the ?greatest threat to world peace.?? The American media wants to portray this as the innocent victim (Israel) defending itself against evildoers, while nearly turning a blind eye to any injustices by Israel that have led to retaliation.? On June 27, 2006, the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) proved the EU right by reoccupying Gaza, savagely terrorizing the civilian population, blowing up their electric/water generating facilities, conducting a mass arrest of their elected officials, and also, without just cause, provoking the Syrians. In response to the repeated shelling by the IOF of Gaza, Israel?s Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, wisecracked, ?Nobody dies from being uncomfortable!? When he addressed a Joint Session of the U.S. Congress, on May 24, 2006, Olmert received 38 breaks of applause and 18 standing ovations from that entity of mostly lapdogs. This is also the same Israeli leader, who, paraphrasing George Orwell's ?Animal Farm,? said that he had a ?deep regret? about the effects of some IOF?s operations which had killed 14 innocent Palestinians in just nine days, but that the lives of Israeli citizens were ?even more important.?

What would have happened if Israel hadn't been created?

* 1. The U.S. would not have any enemies in the Islamic World because we would have no Israel to support and be despised by the neighboring Arab countries
* 2. There would be no Al-Qaeda Terrorist Network as they would not have an enemy like Israel and its allies.
* 3. There would be no 9/11 attacks.
* 4. There would be no USA Patriot Law.
* 5. There would be no Homeland Security Agency.
* 6. The Israeli Lobby?s "unmatched power" over U.S. foreign policy, for over four decades, would not had existed (its support for the Iraqi War was deemed by experts to be "critical").
* 7. There would also not have been any Neocon ideologues; like Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol, Richard Perle, et al, to help, (along with other "Special Interests"), to push the U.S. into a quasi-legal war with Iraq.
* 8. Iran would not be the next target for U.S. aggression. (No Israel means no "A Clean Break" document, meaning no Israeli Lobby, which means no Neocons, and therefore no need for the U.S. to attack Iran.)
* 9. Jonathan Pollard, wouldn?t be in prison for stealing U.S. military secrets and hawking them to Israel.
* 10. The three million-plus Palestinians, who were forcefully dispersed from their homeland, since 1948, by the IOF, would, instead, be living happily there today, in a free and independent state of Palestine. There would be no Apartheid Wall, or as a corollary, no Hamas organization.
* 11. Jerusalem would have a vibrant Christian population.
* 12. The 2,544 Americans who have died in Iraq would be alive; and the 18,777, who have been seriously wounded there, would be fully participating in our Republic. U.S. taxpayers would have an additional $295 billion, (the cost of the war), in the treasury to use to serve the social needs of the people. Universal Health Care would be a real possibility and Social Security would not be in jeopardy. Iraq would be at peace. There would be no Gitmo Bay detention center, or an Abu Ghraib Prison, or a reason for the Bush-Cheney Gang to gut Habeas Corpus. No need for it to also employ torturers, or chemical weapons, or hold detainees without charges or trial. The Geneva Convention would be respected. The tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis, who have died as a result of the war, would instead be alive today.
* 13. The battle to save our planet, its fragile ecosystem, its fast vanishing animal life and plants and to combat global warming, would be issue#1. Instead, we are perpetually bombarded with propaganda about defending ?Israel?s security.?
* 14. If there was no Israel, then the "five dancing Israelis" on 9/11 wouldn?t have been arrested. They were nailed after ?celebrating? in NJ, while watching the Twin Towers collapsed.
* 15. U.S. taxpayers would be $140 billion richer! This is the staggering amount they have shelled out over the last 58 years to support the interests of the Zionists.
* 16. On June 13, 2006, the IOF killed ten Palestinians, including three medical workers and two children, in the Gaza Strip. The Palestinian President, Mahmoud Abbas, labeled the missile attack an example of "state terrorism." Only God knows how many Palestinians the Israelis have actually wasted since 1948; or exactly how many refugees it has created, or how many homes, a la Oliver Cromwell, the IOF have demolished. None of this would have been possible without the country of Israel.
* 17. One of the reasons the Warren Commission failed to properly investigate the murder of JFK was because of Arlen Specter (R-PA). He was then a "Special Counsel" to the Commission. He concocted the preposterous ?Magic Bullet? theory, which shut down any real conspiracy-type probe. It is also interesting to note, that Jacob Rubenstein, AKA, "Jack Ruby," Lee Harvey Oswald?s murderer, had close ties to Meyer Lansky?s National Crime Syndicate. I believe the answer to who really plotted JFK?s killing, died with Oswald. In any event after JFK?s death, Israel?s nuclear weapons program, which Kennedy had opposed, went ahead. U.S. aid to Israel also increased dramatically.
* 18. There would have been no reason for a French Ambassador to refer to Israel as "that shitty little country."? In fact, the Jews of the world would have been liberated to fulfill their deepest spiritual quest, as embodied in their religion - Judaism. According to the highly respected Orthodox Rabbi, Dovid Yisroel Weiss, "Zionism has hijacked Judaism." The Rabbi insists that, "Zionism creates anti-Semitism.? And we know, Zionism is the root cause for the pain, suffering, and bloodshed of the Jewish people, and, [the Zionists] are the greatest factory of anti-Semitism worldwide.? Judaism and Zionism are not one and the same. They are diametrically opposite.? We should not mistake one for the other.? And, we shouldn?t be responsible for the actions of what the Zionists do.? Now, another of the problems that emanate actually from the Zionist Movement is the fact that they are encroaching upon the rights of the Palestinian people, the indigenous people, who are living there. And, this is terribly wrong. It is against every concept of the Torah.? So, whatever they are doing is totally wrong!"
* 19. Thousands of Israelis have died attempting to build a nation in a land, Palestine, which belonged to another people, the Palestinians. Their deaths would have been avoided.
* 20. The widespread spying on Americans, without a court order, by operatives of the Bush-Cheney Gang, would have never happened. (No Israel. No 9/11. No spying on U.S. citizens.)

Another guy with a bunch of what ifs and fancy words. ?The indians were pushed of these lands also so did you donate your house to a native american.

Yea and where would the world be if the us did not join world war 2.

Go figure you live in the land of the free, you are intitled to voice your opinions in this country regardless of your point of view, Becuase americans died fighting for your right.

[Slashead]

Hezbollah is run by Iran, the main Muslim Shiite country.
Hamas is issued from a Sunni Egyptian organization called Muslim Brotherhood.

Sunnis (Saddam's partisans) and Shiites are killing each other in Iraq.

Saudi Arabia (Sunni) and Iran (Shiite) are enemies not only because the way they see Islam is different but also because both want to have as much influence as they can in the region.

All of them hate Israel. Hamas and Hezbollah would be killing each other if there was no Israel.

Oh, by the way, few people remember that Jews were expropriated and expeled from Arab countries in 1948 after having to endure legal discriminations for decades (google : 'dhimma')...

USA are supporting Israel because of strategic reasons, not because of any sympathy for Zionism.

[Mal Brossard]

Go figure you live in the land of the free, you are intitled to voice your opinions in this country regardless of your point of view, Becuase americans died fighting for your right.

Rights are god-given and therefore need not be fought for.  No need to espouse this right-wing rhetoric that our freedoms have ever been fought for and need to be defended.  Ever heard the term "inalienable rights"?  It means no one and nothing can take those rights away.  If these rights cannot be taken away, why fight for them?  No one has fought for my rights, no one has died for them.  Rights are GIVEN by no person and protected by no person.

[sjgotnitro]

Go figure you live in the land of the free, you are intitled to voice your opinions in this country regardless of your point of view, Becuase americans died fighting for your right.

Rights are god-given and therefore need not be fought for.? No need to espouse this right-wing rhetoric that our freedoms have ever been fought for and need to be defended.? Ever heard the term "inalienable rights"?? It means no one and nothing can take those rights away.? If these rights cannot be taken away, why fight for them?? No one has fought for my rights, no one has died for them.? Rights are GIVEN by no person and protected by no person.

Oh boy now I have heard it all. Yea you can practise that thought because you live hear, try living in other parts of the world with that mentality. 

Which god are you refering to if I might ask. Or which religion

[jameslofton29]

Which god are you refering to if I might ask. Or which religion

There's only one God, and he doesn't give you 20 virgins for killing innocent people.

[sjgotnitro]

Which god are you refering to if I might ask. Or which religion

There's only one God, and he doesn't give you 20 virgins for killing innocent people.

Yea I understand that but what is he refering to.

Oh and great post by the way.

[-Jack-]

Go figure you live in the land of the free, you are intitled to voice your opinions in this country regardless of your point of view, Becuase americans died fighting for your right.

Rights are god-given and therefore need not be fought for.  No need to espouse this right-wing rhetoric that our freedoms have ever been fought for and need to be defended.  Ever heard the term "inalienable rights"?  It means no one and nothing can take those rights away.  If these rights cannot be taken away, why fight for them?  No one has fought for my rights, no one has died for them.  Rights are GIVEN by no person and protected by no person.

I tried staying out of this thread the best I could.. but wow Duffman. You honestly believe no one fought for your freedom and that you just "have it"? Lol.

Oh, and hell yes freedom can be taken away. Wow. What do you think most dictators end up doing? What is the totalitarian state known for? In states like those try using your "god given" free speech and you'll be dead or (edit: in) jail.

Freedom needs to be defended because theres always someone who ends up trying to put limits on it and whom eventually gets rid of it entirely.

But good luck with that.

[AxlsMainMan]

Personally, If I had my way, Id just have a huge wall seperate us in North America entirely from the Middle East.

Great idea! ?Imagine if there was enormous ocean separating North America from the Middle East? ?All our problems would be solved.

I think violence should be answered with violence - but only against the guilty parties. ?You do not bomb civilians, collateral or otherwise. ?It's obviously much easier to bomb indiscriminately, but it's flat out evil if you know innocent people would die. ?Besides, it just breeds more terrorism. ?

Don't these countries have access to hired assassins? ?Any decent hitman can get access to the heads of these terrorist organizations and then take care of business.

Hey man, only a few short decades ago my idea could have worked...but now they have missiles and all that jazz that can lob right over any wall..

As said before though, it's kind of hard to bomb only the guilty parties when they hide like cowards amongst innocent civilians...

You know what primarily fuels terrorism? POVERTY!

People over in Lebanon, Iran, etc turn on North American television and see rich assholes on shows like The OC for example living "the american dream" and they think, we've got jackshit...let's bomb these rich  fuckers..

Hitmans could easily solve the problem sure, but once again, it's all a matter of tracking the main guilty party down, and for all we know, they could have look-alikes just like Saddam Hussein..

By the way, I think some people are starting to get in ultra-defensive mode...let's take it down a notch so this topic doesn't get locked, because Ive missed a topic that's even remotely political..

[gilld1]

Duffman, so the world would be perfect if not for the creation of Israel?  A lot of your assumptions are way off base.  For example, Al Aqeada was formed first to fight the Soviets in Afganistan and then turned on the US for having troops in their Holy Land (Saudi Arabia).  It had nothing to do with the Jews.  Iran grew to hate us for our support of the Shah in the 70s.

This is a bad situation where there can be no real winners.  Israel is getting a bit carried away but from their perspective enough is enough.  Hezbolah bit off a lot more than it can chew with this one but was it on the orders of Iran?  Some are calling this a proxy war and that may be a fair assessment.  Notice the lack of talk about Iran's nuclear ambitions?