Smart Move to keep the name "Guns n Roses"

[DeN]

*GLING GLING* come one people, we're on 2006, not 1986.

even in the Stones there was some line up changes.
in The Cure Robert Smith is the only original member, it's still The Cure.

the fact is : if Axl didn't obtained the name, it's Slash & Duff who actually play under the name, with another singer.

Slash tried to take the control of the band to do everything he wants with, Axl wanted the same, Axl won the fight.

and i prefer it that way, because when i see the result in the two camps, i prefer Axl's music A LOT.

now if you can't see Slash, Duff & co left the band a lot of years ago, if you can't see you're not a teenager anymore,
if you can't see Ronald Reagan is dead, what can we do for you people ?

maybe buy a Strokes record, and enjoy it, welcome in 2006.

 

[Slashead]

The Cure is a bad example 'cause it was Robert Smith's thing from day one.
Without Izzy and Slash, there would have been no GNR.

[mikegiuliana]

I love when people say welcome to 2006, like this group you all worship has accomplished anything at all, like anyone outside of the gnr forums know who is in this band So far they get the crowd going with the covers... It's a gnr forum and there will always be gnr fans who could care less about new gnr but like axl rose because of the gnr that had huge success...

Axl rose has had how many players in this band since 97 working on cd, how many producers how muc insite from countless outsiders... he's had zakk wylde dave navaro bucket head.. That's like saying the All star team is better then the regular pro team....

Third year 2001-2002-2006 that they've been playing the same old material of the group they are so much better then, even doing the same two boring covers of LALD & KOHD, new band is so original

CD has been coming out since 1999 it's 2006, maybe he needs more time to finish the album


and I would never want any members without axl to actually use the name.. I know many of you think because you love axl and think he's the only one that counts this is all cool... GNR broke up, all the members left, maybe one day axl will realise this... OH wait how could he, he's to spoiled and pampered to do promo and have to work for a band without the famous name....


last album of new music was sept 1991 ,the reason that is, is because the band had broke up.. Oh but's it's 2006 so no one counts anymore, maybe when you wait long enough everything that happens can be forgotten and it's OK now

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Deep Purple went through similar lineup changes and retained their name, although they broke up before reforming again with one of the classic lineups again.  But Deep Purple has existed with 4 lead singers, 4 different guitarists, 3 bass players, and 2 keyboard players.  Ian Paice is the only member who's been around for every iteration of the band, but it doesn't seem like people make as big a deal over that

Maybe all those line-up changes you've mentioned have something to do with the fact that nobody cares about Deep Purple anymore... 

A lot of the lineup changes occurred at the height of the band's height of popularity so that argument doesn't really work

[slash666]

*GLING GLING* come one people, we're on 2006, not 1986.

even in the Stones there was some line up changes.
in The Cure Robert Smith is the only original member, it's still The Cure.

the fact is : if Axl didn't obtained the name, it's Slash & Duff who actually play under the name, with another singer.

Slash tried to take the control of the band to do everything he wants with, Axl wanted the same, Axl won the fight.

and i prefer it that way, because when i see the result in the two camps, i prefer Axl's music A LOT.

now if you can't see Slash, Duff & co left the band a lot of years ago, if you can't see you're not a teenager anymore,
if you can't see Ronald Reagan is dead, what can we do for you people ?

maybe buy a Strokes record, and enjoy it, welcome in 2006.

 

is he??? i never knew   

[heinous]

Well, see to me gnr was a certain group of people or at least had to have certain members in it based on their style.. It's not typical to just love any band out there, it's something that happens naturally ..People feel in love with gnr when they came out for many different reasons, only one gnr made it big..

Now it's more like whoever axl hires is gnr and that's it.. To me that's not a band, axl owns everything and everyone can hit the road if they don't follow axl's lead, no one can talk about anything.. That;'s not a band to me and definetly is not gnr,..? I've never been into a band so much that had not one album.. When one man controls eevrything it's not? aband it's a solo project with a famous band name..

So when exactly did they cease to be Guns N' Roses??

When Steven was fired??

When Izzy left?

Was it still Guns N' Roses when it was only Axl, Slash, and Duff or was that another band during the later part of the Illusion era?? There were as many new guys as original members then.

Would it be Guns N' Roses if Slash were still in the band?

See my point....?

[mikegiuliana]

for me guns ended when izzy left... It started to go downhill to when they decided to add a keyboard player.. Regardless now there is only one member of gnr, that's not enough..

Steve adler was drugs and band decision... That is different the leaving because of ego, musical direction, or a falling out,.,.,. Once the band  members decide to leave because they can't meet eye to eye then int becomes a break up and the band should end,,

[DeN]

oh yeah, a keyboard player, what a drama. 

[Tomorrows]

oh yeah, a keyboard player, what a drama. 

I like Dizzy but you cant deny that his appoinment represented a big shift in what went on with the band,

[bitch_slap_rappin]

Axl started the band. He never quit. He has every right to keep the name, both legally (controversial) and morally (even more controversial).

The vocalist is most often the most significant when it comes to the sound of the band (and Axl is maybe the most charismatic lead singer ever, with a voice that sounds like nothing else in rock history). Hence, VR with Scott does not sound like GNR. If you take away the vocals from VR songs and GNR songs, the similarity will become more evident.

I think we the fans put too much emphasis on the name. A sad bi-effect is that instead of 10,000 die-hard fans at a show there are maybe 3,000 die-hards and 7,000 good-for-nothing mongoloids that just bought the ticket because of the name and "yeah, I remember Paradise City! Great song!" If it were up to me, you would have to answer a GNR quiz to be eligible to attend a show. But that's beside the point.

It was a smart move to keep the name.

[tomass74]

right. now my question. when should he have changed the name from GNR to something else? let's read the history.

1985 - original members including Tracii Guns who given his name to GNR are leaving. is this band still Guns N' Roses?
1990 - Steven Adler is fired. the band is starting to collapse. the fight for the power is starting.
1991 - Izzy, the last original member besides Axl leaves the band. Izzy will be back just for a few shows in 1993 to help because Gilby broke his hand.
1994 - Gilby Clarke's work is ending and he's quit from the band. damn no, one personal change is not a reason to rename the band, is it?
1996 - Slash leaves. Matt and Duff are still in the band. should we change the name right now? umm...
1997 - Matt lets himself fired. maybe this is the opportunity to change the name
1998 - Robin Finck, maybe Chris Vreena or Josh Freese are in the band, but Duff is still a member. so we can't change the name, right?
1999 - Duff finally quits and Tommy Stinson from Replacements replaces him - and he can do it pretty well what about now, will we change the name of the band when we're going to release a first single in 6 years? and what about Robin? he's leaving the band. we have to rename... uhh... no we can't
2000 - the new lineup is done. Buckethead and Brain join the band. damn. seems we missed the right year to rename the band
2002 - Paul Tobias quits the band and Richard is joining. who the hell is this guy? this is not Guns N' Roses man, this looks gay. they can't even properly finish the tour. there are riots, they try to act like old GNR? that's gay
2004 - Buckethead leaves.
2006 - Ron Thal is joining the band and GNR are finally back, stronger than ever. what about renaming the band now? some idiot fans want it

I hate when people use the point that the Appetite Era wasn't even the original band.. The band sucked until Slash and Duff got there. That era was Gn'R.  That's the era that was a phenomenon. I think Duff was gone before 99 too.. Anyway, the name should have been changed somewhere around 98 - 99..  Maybe not change it but pronounce the band officially broken up. Its not like they have done shit in the last 8 years. I am sure they could have thought up a new band name..

[heinous]

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

I think a lot of people who pay so much lip service to the old band and what does or does not constitute GN'R would suddenly change their minds if a certain top-hatted guitarist were back in the fold.

[mikegiuliana]

right. now my question. when should he have changed the name from GNR to something else? let's read the history.

1985 - original members including Tracii Guns who given his name to GNR are leaving. is this band still Guns N' Roses?
1990 - Steven Adler is fired. the band is starting to collapse. the fight for the power is starting.
1991 - Izzy, the last original member besides Axl leaves the band. Izzy will be back just for a few shows in 1993 to help because Gilby broke his hand.
1994 - Gilby Clarke's work is ending and he's quit from the band. damn no, one personal change is not a reason to rename the band, is it?
1996 - Slash leaves. Matt and Duff are still in the band. should we change the name right now? umm...
1997 - Matt lets himself fired. maybe this is the opportunity to change the name
1998 - Robin Finck, maybe Chris Vreena or Josh Freese are in the band, but Duff is still a member. so we can't change the name, right?
1999 - Duff finally quits and Tommy Stinson from Replacements replaces him - and he can do it pretty well what about now, will we change the name of the band when we're going to release a first single in 6 years? and what about Robin? he's leaving the band. we have to rename... uhh... no we can't
2000 - the new lineup is done. Buckethead and Brain join the band. damn. seems we missed the right year to rename the band
2002 - Paul Tobias quits the band and Richard is joining. who the hell is this guy? this is not Guns N' Roses man, this looks gay. they can't even properly finish the tour. there are riots, they try to act like old GNR? that's gay
2004 - Buckethead leaves.
2006 - Ron Thal is joining the band and GNR are finally back, stronger than ever. what about renaming the band now? some idiot fans want it

I hate when people use the point that the Appetite Era wasn't even the original band.. The band sucked until Slash and Duff got there. That era was Gn'R.? That's the era that was a phenomenon. I think Duff was gone before 99 too.. Anyway, the name should have been changed somewhere around 98 - 99..? Maybe not change it but pronounce the band officially broken up. Its not like they have done shit in the last 8 years. I am sure they could have thought up a new band name..

Traci guns had zero success to do with anything gnr... maybe the band I began in HS and 3 months later my drummer left then I went on to cement gnr for afd with certain guys ,that would be the gnr, not joe schmo who I threw band togehter for trying to make something No one knows or cares that traci gun was ever in gnr..

if slash as back in gnr at least you'd have the voice and guitars of what gnr was..

There is only one guns n roses like there is only one beatles... You can't just make up band members and act likeit's the same thing, these are not gunners they are just  hired help to give a egotistical millionaire help with HIS album..

[Bridge]

Hence, VR with Scott does not sound like GNR.

You're right, VR doesn't sound like GNR.  That's why it's called Velvet Revolver and not Guns N Roses.

Besides, if you think the new material by Axl and his hired guns sounds like Guns N Roses, you're hearing impaired.  Maybe a song or part here and there resemble GNR, but otherwise, it's an entirely new band with merely a familiar voice.  it's not even rock n roll, it's techno or industrial or alternative rock shit or something like that.

Traci guns had zero success to do with anything gnr... maybe the band I began in HS and 3 months later my drummer left then I went on to cement gnr for afd with certain guys ,that would be the gnr, not joe schmo who I threw band togehter for trying to make something No one knows or cares that traci gun was ever in gnr..

you are 100% right my friend.? The band that Geffen records signed into the partnership of Guns N Roses was Axl Rose, Izzy Stradlin, Steven Adler, Slash, and Duff McKagan.? it is they who are the original members.? those five wrote the songs, those five recorded the songs, those five defined the band.? hence, THOSE FIVE are Guns N Roses.? Any other "members" don't even compare.? everybody knows who GNR is.? Anybody who saw the band live during their heydey knows who it is -- and who it isn't.

[mikegiuliana]

Hence, VR with Scott does not sound like GNR.

You're right, VR doesn't sound like GNR.? That's why it's called Velvet Revolver and not Guns N Roses.

Besides, if you think the new material by Axl and his hired guns sounds like Guns N Roses, you're hearing impaired.? Maybe a song or part here and there resemble GNR, but otherwise, it's an entirely new band with merely a familiar voice.? it's not even rock n roll, it's techno or industrial or alternative rock shit or something like that.

Traci guns had zero success to do with anything gnr... maybe the band I began in HS and 3 months later my drummer left then I went on to cement gnr for afd with certain guys ,that would be the gnr, not joe schmo who I threw band togehter for trying to make something No one knows or cares that traci gun was ever in gnr..

you are 100% right my friend.? The band that Geffen records signed into the partnership of Guns N Roses was Axl Rose, Izzy Stradlin, Steven Adler, Slash, and Duff McKagan.? it is they who are the original members.? those five wrote the songs, those five recorded the songs, those five defined the band.? hence, THOSE FIVE are Guns N Roses.? Any other "members" don't even compare.? everybody knows who GNR is.? Anybody who saw the band live during their heydey knows who it is -- and who it isn't.

That's everything in a nut shell.. Those guys are gnr, they are the 5 everyone knows... Yeah sometimes people come and go when you're trying to start something but in the end it's the guys who get signed and who make the records... Not traci who was in gnr for a few months playing small strip shows

Slash duff steve izzy axl are gnr, they took over the world..

[tomass74]

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

I think a lot of people who pay so much lip service to the old band and what does or does not constitute GN'R would suddenly change their minds if a certain top-hatted guitarist were back in the fold.

That would be a good start.. Is anyone denying that??