Out ta Get Me: Rock in Rio 2006 (Its over)

[killingvector]

Neither did Bucket. There was a four year gap between gigs. Bucket moved on to other things.

Buckethead left the band just prior to Rock in Rio IV in 2004, causing Guns N' Roses to cancel their scheduled appearance.

From what Axl said, he had no contact with Bucket since sometime immediately after the 2002 tour, indicating that Bucket had not only not known about Rio 4 but also had made the decision to leave well in advance. If Axl doesn't keep touch with his troops, he risks what ultimately occurred.

Once again, this is off topic but I really don't find the topic at hand here very interesting.

[DunkinDave]

Neither did Bucket. There was a four year gap between gigs. Bucket moved on to other things.

Buckethead left the band just prior to Rock in Rio IV in 2004, causing Guns N' Roses to cancel their scheduled appearance.

BH is not the reason. Rio4 would have just been rehash. Are you telling me rehash isn't possible without BH? He could have quickly hired someone as a replacement, or just did rehash with Finck/Fortus.

The point is, he walked out on the band.

[LookingThruThisPOV]

Neither did Bucket. There was a four year gap between gigs. Bucket moved on to other things.

Buckethead left the band just prior to Rock in Rio IV in 2004, causing Guns N' Roses to cancel their scheduled appearance.

BH is not the reason. Rio4 would have just been rehash. Are you telling me rehash isn't possible without BH? He could have quickly hired someone as a replacement, or just did rehash with Finck/Fortus.

Both BH's and BF's solos are ruined by Axl's new helium laced voice.  I like BH more, but he saw the writing on the wall and cut loose.  Can't blame him.  He can make some beautiful music and it won't die like Axl's voice has.

[DunkinDave]

Neither did Bucket. There was a four year gap between gigs. Bucket moved on to other things.

Buckethead left the band just prior to Rock in Rio IV in 2004, causing Guns N' Roses to cancel their scheduled appearance.

BH is not the reason. Rio4 would have just been rehash. Are you telling me rehash isn't possible without BH? He could have quickly hired someone as a replacement, or just did rehash with Finck/Fortus.

Both BH's and BF's solos are ruined by Axl's new helium laced voice.? I like BH more, but he saw the writing on the wall and cut loose.? Can't blame him.? He can make some beautiful music and it won't die like Axl's voice has.

You're no longer part of this discussion - go sit in the corner.

Here's the press release from 2004:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=997

Guns N' Roses Not Able to Perform at Rock in Rio
Tuesday March 30, 6:00 am ET
A Message from W. Axl Rose

The band has been put in an untenable position by guitarist Buckethead and his untimely departure. During his tenure with the band Buckethead has been inconsistent and erratic in both his behavior and commitment - despite being under contract - creating uncertainty and confusion and making it virtually impossible to move forward with recording, rehearsals and live plans with confidence. His transient lifestyle has made it impossible for even his closest friends to have nearly any form of communication with him whatsoever. Last time I talked to Bucket, he called to tell me he had bought a bootleg DVD off EBay and how proud he was to be in Guns and how impressed he was with everyone's performance. Then, in February we got word from Brain that Bucket had called him and said he was back in Guns!? Apparently, according to Bucket he had been "Gone" but had turned himself around and was really excited to do Rio-Lisbon and a European tour. Somewhere in the following month things changed once again. According to those who have actually spoken with Buckethead it appears his plans were to secure a recording contract with Sanctuary Records which I encouraged my management to make available to him, quit GN'R and to use his involvement in the upcoming Guns release to immediately promote his individual efforts...Nice guy!

There is not a member of this camp that is not hurt, upset and ultimately disappointed by this event, and more to the point - if not this individual, certainly this individual's choices. Regardless of anyone's opinions of me and what I may or may not deserve, clearly the fans, individuals in this band, management, crew and our support group do not deserve this type of treatment. We as a whole, definitely feel that we afforded Bucket every accommodation perhaps so much so that it may be that we or more precisely, I may have done Guns a disservice and unintentionally allowed Guns to be put in this position.

On behalf of Guns N' Roses and myself I apologize to the fans who planned to see us at Rock In Rio - Lisbon. The festival and its tradition mean a lot to me personally and I sincerely do not enjoy being robbed by one of our own of the opportunity to be the first artist to play it for the third time. I would also like to express my gratitude to those who chose to embrace Buckethead's role in Guns and support our new line up. We greatly appreciate Bucket's contributions and remain open to "discussions" as there are obviously several issues to resolve. In the meantime rather than dwelling on the negative, Guns will be moving forward and surprisingly (without giving away any details) this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further. Regardless we hope to announce a release date within the next few months.

Sincerely,

W. Axl Rose

[Death Cube K]

Both BH's and BF's solos are ruined by Axl's new helium laced voice.

Dead horse...dead horse...dead horse

[LookingThruThisPOV]

You're no longer part of this discussion - go sit in the corner.

 

[killingvector]

Neither did Bucket. There was a four year gap between gigs. Bucket moved on to other things.

Buckethead left the band just prior to Rock in Rio IV in 2004, causing Guns N' Roses to cancel their scheduled appearance.

BH is not the reason. Rio4 would have just been rehash. Are you telling me rehash isn't possible without BH? He could have quickly hired someone as a replacement, or just did rehash with Finck/Fortus.

Both BH's and BF's solos are ruined by Axl's new helium laced voice.  I like BH more, but he saw the writing on the wall and cut loose.  Can't blame him.  He can make some beautiful music and it won't die like Axl's voice has.

You're no longer part of this discussion - go sit in the corner.

Here's the press release from 2004:

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/news/shownews.php?newsid=997

Guns N' Roses Not Able to Perform at Rock in Rio
Tuesday March 30, 6:00 am ET
A Message from W. Axl Rose

The band has been put in an untenable position by guitarist Buckethead and his untimely departure. During his tenure with the band Buckethead has been inconsistent and erratic in both his behavior and commitment - despite being under contract - creating uncertainty and confusion and making it virtually impossible to move forward with recording, rehearsals and live plans with confidence. His transient lifestyle has made it impossible for even his closest friends to have nearly any form of communication with him whatsoever. Last time I talked to Bucket, he called to tell me he had bought a bootleg DVD off EBay and how proud he was to be in Guns and how impressed he was with everyone's performance. Then, in February we got word from Brain that Bucket had called him and said he was back in Guns!? Apparently, according to Bucket he had been "Gone" but had turned himself around and was really excited to do Rio-Lisbon and a European tour. Somewhere in the following month things changed once again. According to those who have actually spoken with Buckethead it appears his plans were to secure a recording contract with Sanctuary Records which I encouraged my management to make available to him, quit GN'R and to use his involvement in the upcoming Guns release to immediately promote his individual efforts...Nice guy!

There is not a member of this camp that is not hurt, upset and ultimately disappointed by this event, and more to the point - if not this individual, certainly this individual's choices. Regardless of anyone's opinions of me and what I may or may not deserve, clearly the fans, individuals in this band, management, crew and our support group do not deserve this type of treatment. We as a whole, definitely feel that we afforded Bucket every accommodation perhaps so much so that it may be that we or more precisely, I may have done Guns a disservice and unintentionally allowed Guns to be put in this position.

On behalf of Guns N' Roses and myself I apologize to the fans who planned to see us at Rock In Rio - Lisbon. The festival and its tradition mean a lot to me personally and I sincerely do not enjoy being robbed by one of our own of the opportunity to be the first artist to play it for the third time. I would also like to express my gratitude to those who chose to embrace Buckethead's role in Guns and support our new line up. We greatly appreciate Bucket's contributions and remain open to "discussions" as there are obviously several issues to resolve. In the meantime rather than dwelling on the negative, Guns will be moving forward and surprisingly (without giving away any details) this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further. Regardless we hope to announce a release date within the next few months.

Sincerely,

W. Axl Rose

Ask yourself this though, if Axl could get Ron on less than two weeks notice for this tour, why was it so difficult to replace bucket back then?

Once again, if you don't keep track of your troops, they are reduced by attrition.

this is my last response on this issue---it is dead horse and not part of this inane thread.

[LookingThruThisPOV]

Guns will be moving forward and surprisingly (without giving away any details) this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further. Regardless we hope to announce a release date within the next few months.

This says it all...  next few months, eh?  Its not coming out, folks.   

[DunkinDave]

Ask yourself this though, if Axl could get Ron on less than two weeks notice for this tour, why was it so difficult to replace bucket back then?

I'm sure Ron Thal knew well ahead of the May rehearsals that he was joining Guns N' Roses and was told to learn the songs.

[killingvector]

Ask yourself this though, if Axl could get Ron on less than two weeks notice for this tour, why was it so difficult to replace bucket back then?

I'm sure Ron Thal knew well ahead of the May rehearsals that he was joining Guns N' Roses and was told to learn the songs.

Not according to Ron and Axl.

Sorry, i'll zip it now. 

[DunkinDave]

Ask yourself this though, if Axl could get Ron on less than two weeks notice for this tour, why was it so difficult to replace bucket back then?

I'm sure Ron Thal knew well ahead of the May rehearsals that he was joining Guns N' Roses and was told to learn the songs.

Not according to Ron and Axl.

Sorry, i'll zip it now.?

You're right - Axl did imply during the Trunk interview that Ron joined around rehearsal time.

[IndiannaRose]

That being said, our little friend hopefully is? reading the tour schedule trying to back up his 'all the boots' comment....

 

I find it funny that you fail to deliver which specific bootlegs you have obtained and which specific songs or moments in concert you're deriving your opinion from. Also, if you knew anything about Axl's voice then you'd know how complete and utter shit his voice sounded from May of 1991 through late July (in the Dallas 1991 show it sounds like he's been gargling sharp glass for years). Your 'arguments' here are completely unfounded and are supported by a plethora of nonsense. Another thing....Rock In Rio 5 ended over a month ago 'buddy'. You're a little late here in your reply; don't you think?

Hey......where are your ears? Did you loose 'em? You wanna to hear 'Out Ta Get Me'? Huh? Then listen to this:

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=862DF1B5356F8CB0

Man, you're just making shit up like a sour child who has just lost his lolipop and is crying to mama for anotha' piece of the candy stick.

[misterID]

You do realize Looking wants to piss you guys off, right? You gave him exactly what he wanted.

[Schwarzgold]

You do realize Looking wants to piss you guys off, right? You gave him exactly what he wanted.

Simple. That is because we're nice people. 

[Slipdisc]

I just watched this clip on youtube.com... man, Axl's voice is shot.? Its gone, folks.? He can't sing anymore.? I used to love the guy's voice too.? He's not even close.? For those who say "he's back", I'm sorry, you must have been really young back in the 80's (or not even born).? That is not the Axl Rose we all grew up with.? He's not even close.? The reason the record has been stalled repeatedly is because his voice is shot and its giving him lots of trouble.? I'm sorry to say it, but Axl is finished.? I will miss him too, he delivered some mesmorizing songs.?

Listen as much as you want, I saw them live past sunday and his voice was great. Dozens of people around me saw the band countless times during the UYI-days and practically all of them said how much better Axl (and especially the band) sounded then back then. His voice was incredible. From here you're looking just like all the other negative noobs, we're having a lot here lately. People with 40 posts under their belt of which 30 are spend on diggin' up dead horses. Dead horses who are just as dead as their nostalgia based reasoning is assbackwards.

Say hi to Marty McFly and doc Brown, for me, once you get the Delorean's Flux Capacitor charged again and have travelled back to the nineties.

Have a safe trip!

-PEACE-

[jameslofton29]

You do realize Looking wants to piss you guys off, right? You gave him exactly what he wanted.

I aim to please.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

I just watched this clip on youtube.com... man, Axl's voice is shot.  Its gone, folks.  He can't sing anymore.  I used to love the guy's voice too.  He's not even close.  For those who say "he's back", I'm sorry, you must have been really young back in the 80's (or not even born).  That is not the Axl Rose we all grew up with.  He's not even close.  The reason the record has been stalled repeatedly is because his voice is shot and its giving him lots of trouble.  I'm sorry to say it, but Axl is finished.  I will miss him too, he delivered some mesmorizing songs. 

i thought people could stay the same as they get older
then i read a thing about aging

The general deterioration of the body with increasing age.

Bitch, we KNOW it's not the same Axl. We know it's not Guns n' Roses.

1986
2006

two different numbers.

[babydolls]

Both BH's and BF's solos are ruined by Axl's new helium laced voice.? I like BH more, but he saw the writing on the wall and cut loose.? Can't blame him.? He can make some beautiful music and it won't die like Axl's voice has.

I find it hard to connect with BH as a guitarist because of the mask - it is what it is, but I like seeing the passion and feeling on a guitarist's face when they play beautiful music, (eg Slash, Robin, Richard and definately Ron.)  It may be a simple comment, but that's how I feel.  Sure BH is a good player, but I find him soul-less.

And didnt Gilby join Guns post-Izzy with only like a week or two to learn 40 songs for a massive world tour?? if it's the right guy, it comes together.

[Ignatius]

This thread is not even dead horse...

Some of you need to stop whinning about how great the old days were. This is now, 2006 and not 1988. There are countless of threads already about how Axl sounded great back in the 80's and how he does he sound now. I just don't get it. Why starting a new thread every fucking day about the same old shit?

...and you still wonder why we lock and delete threads? ?

[jarmo]

I just watched this clip on youtube.com... man, Axl's voice is shot.? Its gone, folks.? He can't sing anymore.? I used to love the guy's voice too.? He's not even close.? For those who say "he's back", I'm sorry, you must have been really young back in the 80's (or not even born).? That is not the Axl Rose we all grew up with.? He's not even close.? The reason the record has been stalled repeatedly is because his voice is shot and its giving him lots of trouble.? I'm sorry to say it, but Axl is finished.? I will miss him too, he delivered some mesmorizing songs.?

Sorry to have to reply to a locked thread, but the ignorance in that post is just astounding.


I definitely was around in the 80s (even though it might be hard to believe when you see me  ) and people are right, he's back!

Now go and listen to your precious bootlegs and remember how great everything was in the 1980s. Let the rest of us enjoy the summer of 2006, the summer when GN'R returned!



/jarmo