Chinese Democracy - Should Axl wait for Bumblefoot?

[ShotgunBlues1978]

They had TWO year to re-record.  If they haven't done so yet, what's the point now?  They just barely hired Ron.  I think Shotgun has a point, they may have been trying to lure Bucket back, but when he didn't come, they hired Ron at the last second.  Besides, Ron has told me that he won't be on CD, but if Axl decides to keep him for the U.S. tour, he will contribute on the second and third albums.  (He didn't say second or third, but he said future albums)  Does this mean Axl still wants Bucket back and is going to try his best in August and September to get him back? 

Did Ron sound like he was unsure he would be with the band on the US tour?   

[jimmythegent]

no, for the following reasons:

Buckethead plays with more feel and texture and to me, seems more creative

and..

that would delay things even further

[killingvector]

I think they should not only keep Bucket's part but look into offering the man alot of money to come back to the band. Bumble just doesn't do it for me.

Buckethead isn't about the money.  The rumor is they tried really hard to get him back and when they couldn't they turned to Bumblefoot.  I think Buckethead is just a guy who is kind of in his own world, likes to do his own thing, do a few collaborations then go back to doing his own thing again.   I still miss Big B but I think Ron's done very well considering the circumstances, and he is a hell of a player in his own right

Of course, but my point is make him an offer that he could not possibly refuse.  The European media has turned a bit on the new band; my gut is that the departure of Bucket broke the continuity of the band's previous incarnation last seen in 2002.

Besides, very few people complained about Bucket's solo set. It was substantially more entertaining than what Bumble has done. He is a great player but he doesn't capture the imagination like B.

Quite the opposite, most people thought Bucket's solo was one of the highlights of the show.  People were really impressed by his skills, and especially loved when he played the Star Wars theme song.  In my opinion Buckethead already created one of the great epic GnR solos on TWAT, that solo stands neck and neck with Slash's work on NR, so to remove his parts would be a really bad move.  And then there are the songs that Buckethead helped write that we haven't heard yet

Umm, I am agreeing with you. I thought Bucket's solo set was very entertaining. Frankly, even with a clunky Don't Cry thrown in, Bumble's segment doesn't inspire me to do anything but click the fast forward button.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

I think they should not only keep Bucket's part but look into offering the man alot of money to come back to the band. Bumble just doesn't do it for me.

Buckethead isn't about the money.  The rumor is they tried really hard to get him back and when they couldn't they turned to Bumblefoot.  I think Buckethead is just a guy who is kind of in his own world, likes to do his own thing, do a few collaborations then go back to doing his own thing again.   I still miss Big B but I think Ron's done very well considering the circumstances, and he is a hell of a player in his own right

Of course, but my point is make him an offer that he could not possibly refuse.  The European media has turned a bit on the new band; my gut is that the departure of Bucket broke the continuity of the band's previous incarnation last seen in 2002.

Besides, very few people complained about Bucket's solo set. It was substantially more entertaining than what Bumble has done. He is a great player but he doesn't capture the imagination like B.

Quite the opposite, most people thought Bucket's solo was one of the highlights of the show.  People were really impressed by his skills, and especially loved when he played the Star Wars theme song.  In my opinion Buckethead already created one of the great epic GnR solos on TWAT, that solo stands neck and neck with Slash's work on NR, so to remove his parts would be a really bad move.  And then there are the songs that Buckethead helped write that we haven't heard yet

Umm, I am agreeing with you. I thought Bucket's solo set was very entertaining. Frankly, even with a clunky Don't Cry thrown in, Bumble's segment doesn't inspire me to do anything but click the fast forward button.

Sorry for the confusion, I was agreeing with you

The "quite the opposite" part was referring to people complaining about Buckethead's solos, as in not only were they not complaining, they were highly praising it.  I should've worded that better, sorry 

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

They had TWO year to re-record.  If they haven't done so yet, what's the point now?  They just barely hired Ron.  I think Shotgun has a point, they may have been trying to lure Bucket back, but when he didn't come, they hired Ron at the last second.  Besides, Ron has told me that he won't be on CD, but if Axl decides to keep him for the U.S. tour, he will contribute on the second and third albums.  (He didn't say second or third, but he said future albums)  Does this mean Axl still wants Bucket back and is going to try his best in August and September to get him back? 

Did Ron sound like he was unsure he would be with the band on the US tour?   

Yes he did...

[metallex78]

I consider the Bumblefoot/Buckethead thing a bit like Gilby/Izzy from the UYI tour. Gilby toured with the band for an album he didn't play on, maybe Bumble will be the same for CD?

[Jim Bob]

let bucketheads parts stay, let bumblefoot play them live, and hopefuly he contributes to the next album. 

[Filipe_Guns]

I must admit I never liked Buckthead and his odd way to dress, but now listening to the old shows/leaks I realized that he play very fuckin well, not only  fast and crazy solos, like I used to think, but also solos with a lot of feeling and creativeness. Ok, on the stage Buckthead was a shame but he really knows how to make a solo.
Bumblefoot is a excellent guitar player, but replace Buckethead's solos isn't a easy job. At least on the stage he really acts like a hard rock guitar player. anyway, If we don't have Buckthead, we get by with Bumblefoot for the tour.

[Naupis]

At this point as long as it is Axl singing I don't think anyone really cares who is playing the instruments, as evidence by the fact we all still even care about the band even though there have been something like 14 ?or 15 different guys in the band since 1987. GNR fans are Axl fans first, so as long as he is singing things will be fine. At this point whatever gets the album out fastest is the course of action that needs to be taken. Besides, it not like this is the first time we will have a guitarist in the band covering material he didn't write, Bumble will be just fine without any parts on the album.

[killingvector]

I must admit I never liked Buckthead and his odd way to dress, but now listening to the old shows/leaks I realized that he play very fuckin well, not only  fast and crazy solos, like I used to think, but also solos with a lot of feeling and creativeness. Ok, on the stage Buckthead was a shame but he really knows how to make a solo.
Bumblefoot is a excellent guitar player, but replace Buckethead's solos isn't a easy job. At least on the stage he really acts like a hard rock guitar player. anyway, If we don't have Buckthead, we get by with Bumblefoot for the tour.

Bucket at Rio/Vegas was alot different than the Bucket during the 02 tour: he was much more immobile and static, especially on the American leg. Perhaps this was a symptom of the strife that apparently plagued the band. Having watched Rio 3 again recently, i was shocked how active Big B was.

Bumble acts like the other two guitarists, runs around a bit, squints during his solos, slides back into place on stage right. Not much of a signature or interest from where I am sitting

[Filipe_Guns]

I must admit I never liked Buckthead and his odd way to dress, but now listening to the old shows/leaks I realized that he play very fuckin well, not only? fast and crazy solos, like I used to think, but also solos with a lot of feeling and creativeness. Ok, on the stage Buckthead was a shame but he really knows how to make a solo.
Bumblefoot is a excellent guitar player, but replace Buckethead's solos isn't a easy job. At least on the stage he really acts like a hard rock guitar player. anyway, If we don't have Buckthead, we get by with Bumblefoot for the tour.

Bucket at Rio/Vegas was alot different than the Bucket during the 02 tour: he was much more immobile and static, especially on the American leg. Perhaps this was a symptom of the strife that apparently plagued the band. Having watched Rio 3 again recently, i was shocked how active Big B was.

Bumble acts like the other two guitarists, runs around a bit, squints during his solos, slides back into place on stage right. Not much of a signature or interest from where I am sitting

even in Rio I never liked how Bucket act on the stage. Neither his solos(not in the songs), I prefer a solo with a "theme" like Slash used to do with the Godfather Theme and Bumble is doing now with Don't Cry. Buckt's solos was funny but it didnt fit with the band style, btw, the 01-02 band was a circus. Now we really have a band that can be called Guns n' Roses, at least talking about the stage presence.

[RichardNixon]

I like Ron a lot and he seems like a nice guy...but...

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DO NOT RE-RECORD BUCKETHEAD'S PARTS. ENOUGH ALREADY. RELEASE THE FUCKING ALBUM!

Thank you,
Dick Nixon

[mikegiuliana]

All signs point to Buckethead remaining on Chinese Democracy.? Just wondering what the general consensus here is.? I don't really see the point of leaving Buckethead in the album if he is no longer in the band.? If Bumblefoot is here to stay, I think he should be on the album.? Otherwise, when will he be on a GNR album???

I say NO, he knows the deal and this cd takes forever anyways last thing we need is further delays

[sea of black]

I like Ron a lot and he seems like a nice guy...but...

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DO NOT RE-RECORD BUCKETHEAD'S PARTS. ENOUGH ALREADY. RELEASE THE FUCKING ALBUM!

Thank you,
Dick Nixon

I totally agree, the last thing we need is a fuckin' delay in the release to start re-recording who is or isn't currently in GNR, if they start doing that, the record will never come out. Just getthis record out, then start a new album, isnt that how it's usually done?...

[oldgunsfan]

definitly not re-record Bucket's parts, that would delay things even more plus he would have to learn everything than record.....we may as well wait till 2010 if that's the case

He'll just have to make his presence felt on the songs that aren't recorded yet on the other 2 follow up albums (if there are 2 follow up albums)

[elevendayempire]

It'd take Thal about a week, if that, to re-record Bucket's parts. And it's an insult to Thal to leave him off the album, frankly.

SG