Axl's voice 2006 v 2002

[mikepatton]

i am basing it on over 140 recordings from 1986-1993 where his voice sounded great in EVERY show and every single recording from 2002 it sounded high pitched and weak...............comon sense would be he lost his voice in 02 cuz he took 8 years away from live gigs........

[ShotgunBlues1978]

i am basing it on over 140 recordings from 1986-1993 where his voice sounded great in EVERY show and every single recording from 2002 it sounded high pitched and weak...............comon sense would be he lost his voice in 02 cuz he took 8 years away from live gigs........

I have often thought about this myself.  I thought that maybe Axl thought he would be able to hit the road without properly training or excercising his voice and adequately preparing for a long string of live performances.  I think that at times he was able to revert back to his old ways but overall he held back or wasn't capable of singing that way for an entire show, or held back because he had figured out they'd booked all these gigs and didn't want to lose his voice

But I still chalk the 2002 VMA's up to nerves.  He sounded worse then than he did on the 2002 shows before or after then.  The opening Jungle scream was strong, but it seemed like he ran out of breath soon after that.  Running out of breath like that probably wasn't because he was out of shape, but due to nerves.  He had been practically invisible for 8 years and knew he was being watched by millions, it's possible after all those years he froze up a little, maybe wasn't in the right frame of mind to perform in front of that type of audience.  I think that now he is in a much better frame of mind to perform in front of large audiences

[ppbebe]

ShotgunBlues1978, One of the producers worked with Axl before 2002 says otherwise. there was an article a while back.

Again people who's been to the shows both of the old era and in 02 are saying he sounded great in 02. and
again pitching and the strength of voice are too different matters. Or do you mean the volume? read my previous post.  You can't judge the quality of voice on the mp3s. the more generations the recording is in, the less quality it is.
In Every show? I guess some people here can provide you some examples of UYI era.

In any cace, if you hate crisp and clean, crystal clear voices backed with good vocalization, that's that.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

ShotgunBlues1978, One of the producers worked with Axl before 2002 says otherwise. there was an article a while back.

Again people who's been to the shows both of the old era and in 02 are saying he sounded great in 02. and
again pitching and the strength of voice are too different matters. Or do you mean the volume? read my previous post.  You can't judge the quality of voice on the mp3s. the more generations the recording is in, the less quality it is.
In Every show? I guess some people here can provide you some examples of UYI era.

In any cace, if you hate crisp and clean, crystal clear voices backed with good vocalization, that's that.

I was at the 2002 MSG show and he sounded amazing, IMO it's the best show I've ever been to, even better than the 2006 Hammerstein show.  But from the boots I've heard his voice was not consistent at the 2002 shows, and there were certainly songs he held back on, leading me to believe that either he was concerned about being able to hold up for a whole tour, or was physically unable to performing an entire set at full strength.  I think that the first option, being concerned about his voice holding up throughout a whole tour, was the case.    Certain clips make me sure he was still capable of incredible vocal feats, once again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j06dVpEZn_U&search=axl%20rose

[ShotgunBlues1978]

ShotgunBlues1978, One of the producers worked with Axl before 2002 says otherwise. there was an article a while back.

Again people who's been to the shows both of the old era and in 02 are saying he sounded great in 02. and
again pitching and the strength of voice are too different matters. Or do you mean the volume? read my previous post.  You can't judge the quality of voice on the mp3s. the more generations the recording is in, the less quality it is.
In Every show? I guess some people here can provide you some examples of UYI era.

In any cace, if you hate crisp and clean, crystal clear voices backed with good vocalization, that's that.

Additionally, I know there are moments from the UYI tour he didn't sound great.  There were times when he was unable to hit the smoother notes and the rasp was sometimes overwhelming.  For evidence, the Perfect Crime clip from the UYI days

[DunkinDave]

Axl didn't use vibratto in 2002.

Listen to "November Rain" from 1991 and then compare it to a bootleg of the song from this year. Axl's trying to replicate his voice from that period of time.

After that, listen to the Boston 2002 version of the song and hear how Axl butchers it.

I'm also of opinion that the 2002 bootlegs are pretty much worthless now, save for Buckethead's solos.

[ppbebe]

ShotgunBlues1978, The latter part of my post was mainly for those who thinks Axl's voice sounded great in EVERY fucking show in 1986-1993 and better than any show in 2002 or 2006.

talking about the stability, well from what I've heard his vocals of this era are rather steadier than those in the past.
Indeed he seemed to lost his balance right after the prlonged scream on wttj at VMAS but he had some earpiece problem, didn't he? And IMO his crystal new falsetto wasn't better fit than his old voice for certain old songs.

[Sweet]

Axl's voice in 2002 wasn't in it best moment period

[Axl4Prez2004]

I'm also of opinion that the 2002 bootlegs are pretty much worthless now, save for Buckethead's solos.

Don't you dare include Live an Let Die '02 in that opinion.  GNR '86 to '06 has never done LALD better than in '02.  He holds that scream for 20 seconds with extreme intensity.  My guess is the scream is easier without the rasp.  I don't know.  All I know is that LALD is my favorite of all time.   

[DunkinDave]

I'm also of opinion that the 2002 bootlegs are pretty much worthless now, save for Buckethead's solos.

Don't you dare include Live an Let Die '02 in that opinion.? GNR '86 to '06 has never done LALD better than in '02.? He holds that scream for 20 seconds with extreme intensity.? My guess is the scream is easier without the rasp.? I don't know.? All I know is that LALD is my favorite of all time.? ?

Listen to the Osaka monitor mix from 2002 and you'll have a different opinion.

[Bravefish]

Axl's voice in 2002 wasn't in it best moment period

 

[estranged.1098]

I'm also of opinion that the 2002 bootlegs are pretty much worthless now, save for Buckethead's solos.

Don't you dare include Live an Let Die '02 in that opinion.  GNR '86 to '06 has never done LALD better than in '02.  He holds that scream for 20 seconds with extreme intensity.  My guess is the scream is easier without the rasp.  I don't know.  All I know is that LALD is my favorite of all time.   

Listen to the Osaka monitor mix from 2002 and you'll have a different opinion.

Pay attention to the words monitor mix on your post and you'll have a different opinion.

[Axl4Prez2004]

I'm also of opinion that the 2002 bootlegs are pretty much worthless now, save for Buckethead's solos.

Don't you dare include Live an Let Die '02 in that opinion.? GNR '86 to '06 has never done LALD better than in '02.? He holds that scream for 20 seconds with extreme intensity.? My guess is the scream is easier without the rasp.? I don't know.? All I know is that LALD is my favorite of all time.? ?

Listen to the Osaka monitor mix from 2002 and you'll have a different opinion.

Pay attention to the words monitor mix on your post and you'll have a different opinion.

I'm confused?  Please explain??  Is Dunkin Dave telling me that LALD, Pittsburgh, Boston, and New York aren't amazing?  Did he fuck up in Osaka?  All I know is that scream is fucking not of this world.