Mother and possible murderer of JonBenet Ramsey dead

[pasnow]

Yeah, I think it's just gonna turn out this guy is a nutcase. They asked him about it & every response was "I can't tell you".. I think he's either crazy, who became soo infatuated with the crime that he now actually believes he killed her, or in some desperation for attention (for some crazy reason) is admitting to it.  They keep saying he was a neighbor, but he was a neighbor when they lived in Georgia, not Colorado.. Also, his wife is saying he lived in Georgia at the time, although, I can't vouch for his wife's credibility either.


Maybe he knew he was being arrested for child prostitution, so he figured if he's getting arrested for something that bad, just go out with a bang & get nailed for something big while he's at it.

[Natasha23]

Keep in mind this person was sought out by the police.  He did not go to them and "confess" with a false story, which I know a lot of crazy people do in high profile cases. 
I admit I always thought the father was involved, and her mother involved in probably helping him cover it up, but I think we can take this suspect at his word.  More information will come out soon, but I hope people don't hold onto their suspicions of the family in the face of this new evidence.
Also, regarding the drugs... certain drugs and chemicals in the body can not be detected either because they break down too quickly or they can't be detected unless they are specifically looked for.  For example, potassium chloride is very lethal but can be missed on an autopsy.  Pathologists miss things on autopsies all the time. 

[pasnow]

Yeah, I wasn't trying to pass blame back on the family.. I just think this guy is a nutcase. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Mal Brossard]

Let's not forget, being moved here gets this suspect out of Thailand and away from the potential punishment he was saet to receive there.  Basically, he got himself deported and now it appears thay have a flimsy case against him so far.

As for potassium chloride, that would likely kill a person, not set them into a haze like drugs would.  It could be missed, but what drug-like purpose does it serve?  Most likely, a kidnapper/rapist would be using a drug to subdue the person, not kill them.  If all potential rape-related drugs were scanned for and tests came up negative, I would think it's unlikely that there were any drugs involved.

Apparently, the guy's ex-wife says he was with his family in Alabama when the murder occurred.  Also factor in that he somehow broke into the home of a multi-millionaire (you would think this home would have some high-quality security features, so either the Ramseys were irresponsible in home protection or he knew how to disable it), managed to get their kid out of her bed and down to the basement, raped and killed her, then wrote a 3-page ransom note (even wrote a couple drafts before the final one was done), and got out of the house all before the parents woke up?

I still think that if he was involved in any way, it's part of a larger number of people involved, not just a lone nutcase.

[The Dog]

Let's not forget, being moved here gets this suspect out of Thailand and away from the potential punishment he was saet to receive there.  Basically, he got himself deported and now it appears thay have a flimsy case against him so far.

As for potassium chloride, that would likely kill a person, not set them into a haze like drugs would.  It could be missed, but what drug-like purpose does it serve?  Most likely, a kidnapper/rapist would be using a drug to subdue the person, not kill them.  If all potential rape-related drugs were scanned for and tests came up negative, I would think it's unlikely that there were any drugs involved.

Apparently, the guy's ex-wife says he was with his family in Alabama when the murder occurred.  Also factor in that he somehow broke into the home of a multi-millionaire (you would think this home would have some high-quality security features, so either the Ramseys were irresponsible in home protection or he knew how to disable it), managed to get their kid out of her bed and down to the basement, raped and killed her, then wrote a 3-page ransom note (even wrote a couple drafts before the final one was done), and got out of the house all before the parents woke up?

I still think that if he was involved in any way, it's part of a larger number of people involved, not just a lone nutcase.

i always heard that most experts believe the note was written beforehand.  I could be wrong though....I know she did die early in the night based on the rigor mortis that had set in, which would have given the killer several hours to write the note, he had plenty of time to do so....

[Drew]

i always heard that most experts believe the note was written beforehand.  I could be wrong though....I know she did die early in the night based on the rigor mortis that had set in, which would have given the killer several hours to write the note, he had plenty of time to do so....

Supposedly, an FBI agent said once that he believed that Mrs. Ramsey wrote the letter left handed.

If you've ever read the ransom letter, it just seemd very weird and alarming. The entire letter was just completely strange and thru up alot of red flags..

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

i dont mean to be rude

but what's the big deal ?
they even talked about this little story on french tv news.
i dont get it.
it's just murder. what's so special?

PEACE

[Kaybee]

i dont mean to be rude

but what's the big deal ?
they even talked about this little story on french tv news.
i dont get it.
it's just murder. what's so special?

PEACE

The media can definitely be blamed for the circus that this case has turned into. I think people find it so fascinating because Jon-Benet was involved in the beauty queen pageants, and was parading around like an 18 year old teenager even though she was what, ten? Little girls should not be made into sexual objects and I think this has added to the fascination and intrigue (and tastelessness) of the case. It's all so odd that obviously people are going to be interested.

But the 'big deal' is that an innocent child was murdered, and the murderer should be accountable for his actions.

[Bridge]

I agree with what someone else said, it's sad that Patsy Ramsey died before this day.

I will tell you what else is sad -- even though the Ramseys weren't ever convicted of any crime, they've been put on trial for ten fucking years by an ignorant American public who didn't know what the fuck they were talking about.? No citizen ever had a damn clue about the facts of this case but they've been persecuting and judging and convicting the Ramseys for ten years.? ? ?damn straight a lot of people will be eating crow.

Jon-Benet? and was parading around like an 18 year old teenager even though she was what, ten?

Jon-Benet was actually about 5 when she started modeling.? She was 6 years old when she was murdered.

[The Dog]

I agree with what someone else said, it's sad that Patsy Ramsey died before this day.

I will tell you what else is sad -- even though the Ramseys weren't ever convicted of any crime, they've been put on trial for ten fucking years by an ignorant American public who didn't know what the fuck they were talking about.  No citizen ever had a damn clue about the facts of this case but they've been persecuting and judging and convicting the Ramseys for ten years.     damn straight a lot of people will be eating crow.

Jon-Benet  and was parading around like an 18 year old teenager even though she was what, ten?

Jon-Benet was actually about 5 when she started modeling.  She was 6 years old when she was murdered.

Don't blame the american public...blame the media.  Even now, the headling of the NY Post was "SOLVED".  uhhh, no its not.  EVERY news show last night had breaking news and "this just in" type stuff saying how they got the guy and how they can finally put closure to this mystery...uh...no you can't.  The media has become the judge and jury for the american public.  Being that its our primary outlet to information we usually believe what we hear.  Sadly, the media has become a form of entertainment and not a source of news anymore.

[jabba2]

Im pretty sure this guy had a key to the Ramseys home and visited around Christmas. He acted strangely after Jon Bonet was found dead but the police had cleared him as a suspect. That was either this guy or another teacher.

[Bridge]

Don't blame the american public...blame the media.? media has become the judge and jury for the american public.? Being that its our primary outlet to information we usually believe what we hear.?

Bullshit.? sorry buddy, you're off base on this one.  they both deserve blame.  The media certainly deserves its share of the fault for presenting potentially false information.? But the American public deseves wholehearted blame for believing every damn thing that the TV says.? and then they take it further, they start repeating stories to each other, and those stories end up taking a life of their own among the citizens.

Don't give the public a pass on the fault, they deserve the blame too.? For ten years the ignorant american public has been vilifying the Ramseys because they arbitrarily believe the crap they've been hearing on the TV set.? the media may have started the fire, but the american public has spent an entire decade throwing gasoline on it.

Sadly, the media has become a form of entertainment and not a source of news anymore.

yeah, exactly.  and again, that's in large part the american public's fault.  if they didn't react to the media as entertainment, the media never would've reached that point.

[sandman]

i'm don't believe this guy is the killer. something just ain't right.

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

His ex-wife said that he was with her in Alabama when this happened.....

[SLCPUNK]

His ex-wife said that he was with her in Alabama when this happened.....

He was caught with child porn in his past, so he has a history......

 His wife does vouch for the date.

I've seen some reports tonight that think he is making the entire thing up.

Very very strange, all the way around...........

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

Yeah I heard that too.

Everytime you think the case is close to being solved, another curveball is thrown....

[sandman]

this morning i heard something about him saying he picked her up at school. but she was murdered on december 26, so there were no classes.

weird shit.

[The Dog]

Don't blame the american public...blame the media.  media has become the judge and jury for the american public.  Being that its our primary outlet to information we usually believe what we hear. 

Bullshit.  sorry buddy, you're off base on this one.  they both deserve blame.  The media certainly deserves its share of the fault for presenting potentially false information.  But the American public deseves wholehearted blame for believing every damn thing that the TV says.  and then they take it further, they start repeating stories to each other, and those stories end up taking a life of their own among the citizens.

Don't give the public a pass on the fault, they deserve the blame too.  For ten years the ignorant american public has been vilifying the Ramseys because they arbitrarily believe the crap they've been hearing on the TV set.  the media may have started the fire, but the american public has spent an entire decade throwing gasoline on it.

Sadly, the media has become a form of entertainment and not a source of news anymore.

yeah, exactly.  and again, that's in large part the american public's fault.  if they didn't react to the media as entertainment, the media never would've reached that point.

I think the perception of the media now, as opposed to ten years ago, has changed dramatically.  We used to trust the news as being the truth.  When something is reported on the news you'd just assume it was true b/c reporters would never print/say anything that wasn't factual right???  thats just how it was back then.  Now, I think after Iraq, EVERYONE takes the news with a big grain of salt.  You said its the publics fault for believing what they heard on TV, wel yeah, we SHOULD be able to trust the news!!!  I think now we know better, but go back ten years ago....different time.

go over the facts of the case again (i recommend crimelibrary.com)  you'll see how the police and the media both gave out completely incorrect facts to the public and rarely did they ever try to correct themselves when their assumptions (which were stated as fact to the public) were proven incorrect.  You would have to be well versed in the true facts of this case to know the real story - the media never reported it right.  if all anone ever told you for years was that 2+2=5, you'd believe it, even though it was wrong, it would be all you knew.  same with the facts of this case.

[The New Fiona Apple]

Maybe the title was misguided, but there is a lot of stuff that doesn't figure out like why the killer would leave a ransom note and his ex-wife vouching for his exact location. He might just be the fall man for the case (as there are some sick people who get off of attention and take the fall in cases to feed the need). The coincidences are overwhelming.

[pebbles]

He did it. they said he knows things about jonbenets death that only police and the killer knows.