Will Velvet Revolver Survive Chinese Democracy?

[RichardNixon]

..but they still dwell in the shadow of the ginger one?

"Ginger" colored ocular devices tend to cloud objectivty...

hehe Nice.

[Communist China]

Velvet Revolver will survive if they want to. For all we know, Libertad could outsell or be better than CD. CD doesn't sound earthshattering so far, and VR has shown they can write radio songs. Judging by what we've heard, CD doesn't seem like it'll sell that amazingly, and there'll always be a market for a Slash/Weiland album.

[Booker Floyd]

Did I not just state "I?m not claiming to know what?s in people?s minds or what will happen in the future."

Sure, but the problem with your post is that you dont state how or why VR are in trouble if GNR succeed...you dont even state what "trouble" is.

My whole point all along has been that if ?Chinese Democracy? takes off, VR are going to have to compete with that, that?s the reality. Your throwing ?fan-boy? around is just derogatory and not relevant. Saying VR is in trouble if ?Chinese Democracy? takes off is on no way, shape or form ?fan-boy rhetoric.?

   

Again, this notion is very vague. 

And I dont mean to insult you, I think youre actually one of the boards best posters, but "When I listen to any of the GN?R demos it?s like ?Slash who?? ?Duff who??" sounds a bit like fanboy rhetoric.  The Axl/Weiland post doesnt exactly help matters.  Youre making these comparisons to aggrandize Axl Rose and disparage VR, and thats what makes your posts come across as somewhat fanboyish.

Yes my opinion is that the new GN'R songs are better than VR, you are free to feel otherwise, but you wont be called a fan-boy by me.

This may be semantic, but I didnt call you a fanboy.  I just think you offered some fanboy rhetoric. 

The real issue isnt VR existing in Axls shadow or vice versa, its both bands living in the original GNRs shadow.  Theres nothing to suggest that VRs success is somehow conditional upon Axls.  The GNR greatest hits album was a huge success right before VR became successful.  And VR were successful before GNR will be successful (as youre predicting).  I doubt Axl was threatened by VRs success.  Its very possible that the two bands can only help each other and the music will do most of the work, but I dont see how it could hurt VR.

[RichardNixon]

Sure, but the problem with your post is that you dont state how or why VR are in trouble if GNR succeed...you dont even state what "trouble" is.

Velvet Revolver are in trouble if GN?R succeeds because they are going to play second fiddle to Axl?s new band. Kind of like how in the late 80s, David Lee Roth may have been playing arenas, but he lived under the shadow of his former band. And by ?trouble,? that?s what I mean, playing second fiddle to GN?R. It wont necessarily hurt their sales, but ?Libertad? will be seen as Velvet Revolver?s Fredo to Axl?s Michael Corleone (?Chinese Democracy?).? ?

And I dont mean to insult you, I think youre actually one of the boards best posters

Thank you kindly.

"When I listen to any of the GN?R demos it?s like ?Slash who?? ?Duff who??" sounds a bit like fanboy rhetoric.? The Axl/Weiland post doesnt exactly help matters.? Youre making these comparisons to aggrandize Axl Rose and disparage VR, and thats what makes your posts come across as somewhat fanboyish.

The VR/GN?R comparisons are solely my opinion. The new songs do make me forget about the old members as I think the replacements are more than adequate. The pictures, as the clich? goes, are worth a thousand words and speak for themselves. Axl is a legend, an icon, Scott Weiland, although quite talented, is not.? ?

The real issue isnt VR existing in Axls shadow or vice versa, its both bands living in the original GNRs shadow.? Theres nothing to suggest that VRs success is somehow conditional upon Axls.? The GNR greatest hits album was a huge success right before VR became successful.? And VR were successful before GNR will be successful (as youre predicting).? I doubt Axl was threatened by VRs success.? Its very possible that the two bands can only help each other and the music will do most of the work, but I dont see how it could hurt VR.

There is enough room for both VR and GN?R. However, in this fans humble opinion, Velvet Revolver aren?t in the same league as Axl?s revamped Guns N? Roses. If the general consensus agrees with me, VR are in trouble, and by trouble I mean that they will play second fiddle, be in Axl?s shadow, etc. This could ultimately affect the band?s morale.? ?

[Doc Emmett Brown]

My whole point all along has been that if ?Chinese Democracy? takes off, VR are going to have to compete with that

So I've been thinking about how we're going to measure how much CD takes off...  In this age of downloading, there's a lot of causal fans who will just download it - just like they did for VR.  So you cant measure success only by certified sales. It doesnt tell the whole story.

But let's say we measure it by critics' reviews instead.  You and I both know that there's quite a few Axl haters out there will give the album a bad rap no matter what.  In fact, I recall some rather unfair reviews for Contraband as well.

If instead, we measure it by the number of radio-friendly songs, then Green Day already won over VR.  2004 will be remembered as the Year of Greenday's rock anthems.  How about the new GNR songs?  I absolutely *love* the new leaks (Better, CITR, etc), but I'm not sure how radio friendly there are.

So how do ya wanna measure and compare the success?

[TheMole]

My whole point all along has been that if ?Chinese Democracy? takes off, VR are going to have to compete with that

So I've been thinking about how we're going to measure how much CD takes off...  In this age of downloading, there's a lot of causal fans who will just download it - just like they did for VR.  So you cant measure success only by certified sales. It doesnt tell the whole story.

But let's say we measure it by critics' reviews instead.  You and I both know that there's quite a few Axl haters out there will give the album a bad rap no matter what.  In fact, I recall some rather unfair reviews for Contraband as well.

If instead, we measure it by the number of radio-friendly songs, then Green Day already won over VR.  2004 will be remembered as the Year of Greenday's rock anthems.  How about the new GNR songs?  I absolutely *love* the new leaks (Better, CITR, etc), but I'm not sure how radio friendly there are.

So how do ya wanna measure and compare the success?

I would think a combination of the methods you proposed would be the fairest. Success is a relative term, there's no one way to determine if something is succesful or not, so it's best to take all means of measuring it into account. It's no science, but it'll help put things in perspective. And you know what... I'm sure a lot of people on here will dissagree or find one reason or the other not to take these measurements into account (once the album has been released and a few singles have been put out). Truth of the matter is, their opinions aren't relevant, they're fans, they're supposed to act like that. It's what the general public thinks that's relevant.

[tomass74]

The only people competing are the fans here on this board.  The bands aren't rooting against eachother.

[Journeyman]

The only people competing are the fans here on this board.? The bands aren't rooting against eachother.

Thats right but oyu have to admit we are almost forced to compare the bands and personally I think Velvet will have a hard time competing with GnR. Just look at the last couple of months...since GnR began the tour, the world has forgotten there is a band called Velvet revolver.

[Communist China]

The only people competing are the fans here on this board.? The bands aren't rooting against eachother.

Thats right but oyu have to admit we are almost forced to compare the bands and personally I think Velvet will have a hard time competing with GnR. Just look at the last couple of months...since GnR began the tour, the world has forgotten there is a band called Velvet revolver.

VR wasn't touring and didn't have an album out. Of course they're not gonna get publicity. In theory, both bands should have an album out in Spring of 07 (GnR all 06 VR Spring 07) and then we'll see what happens. I don't think it'll be a great rivalry or compeition at all.

[oldgunsfan]

Well, I think VR had more of an influence over the last few years in music than people realize.  Now there are more straight out rock bands than before they released Contraband.  look at Buckcherry reformed and Wolfmother.....

Personally I think the songs I've heard from the revamped GnR are a bit uneven.  i've only like about 30% of what I've heard from 2002 to the present.  But the 30% I really like.  Wheras with VR, I really liked 90% of Contraband.

[Adler_Sorum_Brain]

VR....would never had gone so far IF NOT..Duff and slash...and matt would have been in GNR..admitt it ?? hahaha

[mikegiuliana]

The only people competing are the fans here on this board.? The bands aren't rooting against eachother.

Nobody in the world outside of these forums give two shits about either.. it's like when any band comes to town you see them then go back to normal life..

[icpillusions]

CD won't hurt VR's sales in any way. ?Sure there might be the "CD puts Libertad to shame" (or vice versa) write ups but it won't prevent people from buying both. ?That is the worst that can happen.

[mikegiuliana]

CD won't hurt VR's sales in any way. ?Sure there might be the "CD puts Libertad to shame" (or vice versa) write ups but it won't prevent people from buying both. ?That is the worst that can happen.

it'l help, both reminds of the other (if cd happens)

[Smoking Guns]

Mike, we won't see either album till 2007... I don't think anyway.  The wait has killed me.  I am typing only as a ghost now...

[VRslash]

the honest truth is that GnR is Old news. to everyone on this board there amazing. to everyone else in the world witch is the other 99.9% of the world does not even know GnR is releaseing a new album. and 70% would prolly rather not listen to it anyway. the album will do good for 1 reason it's name. if VR can come up with a good album and put it out then VR will be a bigger succes the GNR. exspecialy since the young people now a days want new music. not old bands trying to make new music. VR is a fresh band with lots of potential. and GnR is history. all axl can do is write the ending to the story. VR is still at the begining.

[CAFC Nick]

A lot of people think VR are a just of has-been's that have combined together just to roll in some more money.

However, Axl has an entirely new band of people that haven't been in the spotlight before and a lot of people have never heard of these people, so I think saying GN'R is "old" news and VR is "the beginning" is a bit of a controversial statement.

Anyway, if GN'R was "old news" then why would people want GN'R news so much?

[Steel_Angel]

Will Velvet Revolver Survive Chinese Democracy?

if scott weilands still in the band...  not a fucking chance, bra.

[Origen]

Will Velvet Revolver Survive Chinese Democracy?

if scott weilands still in the band...? not a fucking chance, bra.

You don't like VR why do you bother wasting your time posting in this section 

[Genesis]

Maybe they'll promote each other's albums.
"Buy Libertad and get some Democracy too" 







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