MLB - Discuss Yesterday's action or anything you want

[Mal Brossard]

Oh and if you continue to post things like this in this thread, then I will report every post you make that I deem unnecessary.

Threaten all you want there, big guy.  We'll see how long your crusade of tattling on posts you don't like lasts.

[GeorgeSteele]

My apologies for disturbing the Yankee lovefest / BoSox bashing, but the Mets had an impressive comeback victory against the Cardinals last night, capped off with Beltran's walk-off 2-run blast.  Great stuff...

Anyway, back to the Yankees - Cashman admitted that the team is losing money.  The Daily News estimated the losses to be $50M to $85M per year.  Do any Yankee fans care?  I think they should.  When Steinbrenner dies (which is soon, if it hasn't happened already), I think the "win at all costs" philosophy goes out the window.  Then you're in a situation where there's a huge deficit and you have to have a Florida Marlins style firesale.  Before you know it, Jeff Suppan is your ace pitcher, Mel Hall is your manager and Andy Hawkins is the pitching coach.  It could happen.
 

[pilferk]

My apologies for disturbing the Yankee lovefest / BoSox bashing, but the Mets had an impressive comeback victory against the Cardinals last night, capped off with Beltran's walk-off 2-run blast.? Great stuff...

Anyway, back to the Yankees - Cashman admitted that the team is losing money.? The Daily News estimated the losses to be $50M to $85M per year.? Do any Yankee fans care?? I think they should.? When Steinbrenner dies (which is soon, if it hasn't happened already), I think the "win at all costs" philosophy goes out the window.? Then you're in a situation where there's a huge deficit and you have to have a Florida Marlins style firesale.? Before you know it, Jeff Suppan is your ace pitcher, Mel Hall is your manager and Andy Hawkins is the pitching coach.? It could happen.
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Wow, is THAT an old story (from December of last year!!).? And it specifically referred to just last year ('04-'05).? No word on this year, yet.

From what I garner, that's not what Cashman said.? Not exactly.? They lose money simply based on attendance, only.? But the alternate income sources (merchandise cut, TV revenue, the money from the YES network, etc) turn the team (well, turn George, anyway) a tidy profit.?

Keep in mind, the entire reason the Yanks organization was pushing the story (yes, THEY were pushing it) was because they were trying to get a sweetheart deal from the city/state on the new Stadium, as well as some other concessions from the government AND from MLB.

[GeorgeSteele]

My apologies for disturbing the Yankee lovefest / BoSox bashing, but the Mets had an impressive comeback victory against the Cardinals last night, capped off with Beltran's walk-off 2-run blast.? Great stuff...

Anyway, back to the Yankees - Cashman admitted that the team is losing money.? The Daily News estimated the losses to be $50M to $85M per year.? Do any Yankee fans care?? I think they should.? When Steinbrenner dies (which is soon, if it hasn't happened already), I think the "win at all costs" philosophy goes out the window.? Then you're in a situation where there's a huge deficit and you have to have a Florida Marlins style firesale.? Before you know it, Jeff Suppan is your ace pitcher, Mel Hall is your manager and Andy Hawkins is the pitching coach.? It could happen.
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Wow, is THAT an old story (from December of last year!!).? And it specifically referred to just last year ('04-'05).? No word on this year, yet.

From what I garner, that's not what Cashman said.? Not exactly.? They lose money simply based on attendance, only.? But the alternate income sources (merchandise cut, TV revenue, the money from the YES network, etc) turn the team (well, turn George, anyway) a tidy profit.?

Please don't try to embarrass a fellow poster of your's before doing a 2-second google search.  Cashman's comments were made yesterday and the full interview will be on Bloomberg radio this weekend.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=ainTGEvdz8_Y&refer=home

Exact words:  "We're making a lot, but we're spending more than we're making.''

Anyway, I know last year's losses are old news; my intention was not to become known as George "The Scoop" Steele, but rather to get thoughts on whether this is something to be concerned about.

[pilferk]

Please don't try to embarrass a fellow poster of your's before doing a 2-second google search.? Cashman's comments were made yesterday and the full interview will be on Bloomberg radio this weekend.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&sid=ainTGEvdz8_Y&refer=home

Exact words:? "We're making a lot, but we're spending more than we're making.''

Anyway, I know last year's losses are old news; my intention was not to become known as George "The Scoop" Steele, but rather to get thoughts on whether this is something to be concerned about.

Wow...persecution complex much?

No one "was trying to embarass you"...nor did there need to be any "2 second Google Search".

It's old news (the Daily News article you referenced in the original post does not say "per year", fyi, it says for the '04-'05 season).  The team pushed the story back in December of '05. I read it (at the time) and laughed because most baseball financialists will tell you that for the Yanks (and consequently Forbes using the Yanks numbers) to arrive at the number they did  there must have been some "creative" accounting. Even MLB, at the time, scoffed at the numbers being thrown around.  They listed their average ticket price at $27 for that season.  $27?  You show me where I can buy a large block of $27 Yankees tickets, box office or otherwise.   They also valued their YES games contract at 60 million per season (that's the charge "on the books" that the Yanks get from YES for their games).  The value is, according to most financialists, easily double to triple that.  And since all the YES revenue goes into the Yankees ownership group anyway.....that helps show a loss on the team side, but "gives back" to the Yanks ownership on the back end.  There were a bunch of citations of stuff like that.

Cashmans comments might be new, but the story's not.  New comments on old story = old news. 

If you read the entire Bloomberg article you just linked too, I bet you can figure out exactly why Cashmans making the comments he is at the time he is.  Just read between the lines.  It's some of the same reasons they pushed the story back in December.

So, you want comments on whether this is something to be concerned about.  There they were and here's some more: The sky is not falling.  The Yanks are not going bankrupt.  And there's not going to be a wholesale firesale of talent any time soon.

[GeorgeSteele]

Wow...persecution complex much?

No one "was trying to embarass you"...nor did there need to be any "2 second Google Search".

It's old news (the Daily News article you referenced in the original post does not say "per year", fyi, it says for the '04-'05 season).? The team pushed the story back in December of '05. I read it (at the time) and laughed because most baseball financialists will tell you that for the Yanks (and consequently Forbes using the Yanks numbers) to arrive at the number they did? there must have been some "creative" accounting. Even MLB, at the time, scoffed at the numbers being thrown around.? They listed their average ticket price at $27 for that season.? $27?? You show me where I can buy a large block of $27 Yankees tickets, box office or otherwise.? ?They also valued their YES games contract at 60 million per season (that's the charge "on the books" that the Yanks get from YES for their games).? The value is, according to most financialists, easily double to triple that.? And since all the YES revenue goes into the Yankees ownership group anyway.....that helps show a loss on the team side, but "gives back" to the Yanks ownership on the back end.? There were a bunch of citations of stuff like that.

Cashmans comments might be new, but the story's not.? New comments on old story = old news.?

If you read the entire Bloomberg article you just linked too, I bet you can figure out exactly why Cashmans making the comments he is at the time he is.? Just read between the lines.? It's some of the same reasons they pushed the story back in December.

So, you want comments on whether this is something to be concerned about.? There they were and here's some more: The sky is not falling.? The Yanks are not going bankrupt.? And there's not going to be a wholesale firesale of talent any time soon.

Enough already with the 'wows', Potsie Webber.  I only feel persecuted while I'm suffering through watching one of Bobby Abreu's 1/2-hour at-bats; next time I'll use that time to research whether only ticket revenue is included in total revenues (either then or the next time Giambi steps out of the batter's box - have fun watching those 5-hour playoff games!).  Seriously, though, I don't know how either one of us could prove that conclusively one way or the other - the Yankees are not a publicly-traded company, so they have no public financial reporting obligation.  With that said, I can't see how MLB would let any team get away with "creative accounting" given that there's a revenue sharing requirement.  Wouldn't their numbers be subject to an MLB audit?

Also, I doubt that Cashman is whining about losing money in order to get public financing for the stadium (if that's what you were suggesting).  That ship has sailed; the new stadium is being financed through private bonds.  Speaking of which, if you're so confident in the team's finances, why not invest the family nest egg in Uncle George's bonds?

Like I said, the full interview airs this weekend; unless Cashman prescreens all questions a la Axl Rose, I would think he'll be asked about whether he's factoring in all sources of revenue.  Let's see what he has to say.

[sandman]

the phils are looking good these days. two games over .500 and only 1.5 games out of the wild card lead.

they are 17-8 since the abreu trade. perfect example of addition by subtraction. 

[pilferk]

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Enough already with the 'wows', Potsie Webber.? I only feel persecuted while I'm suffering through watching one of Bobby Abreu's 1/2-hour at-bats; next time I'll use that time to research whether only ticket revenue is included in total revenues (either then or the next time Giambi steps out of the batter's box - have fun watching those 5-hour playoff games!).? Seriously, though, I don't know how either one of us could prove that conclusively one way or the other - the Yankees are not a publicly-traded company, so they have no public financial reporting obligation.? With that said, I can't see how MLB would let any team get away with "creative accounting" given that there's a revenue sharing requirement.? Wouldn't their numbers be subject to an MLB audit?

Also, I doubt that Cashman is whining about losing money in order to get public financing for the stadium (if that's what you were suggesting).? That ship has sailed; the new stadium is being financed through private bonds.? Speaking of which, if you're so confident in the team's finances, why not invest the family nest egg in Uncle George's bonds?

Like I said, the full interview airs this weekend; unless Cashman prescreens all questions a la Axl Rose, I would think he'll be asked about whether he's factoring in all sources of revenue.? Let's see what he has to say.

Actually, I look more like Ritchie.

The MLB would audit the numbers submitted to them, yes. The numbers concerning specific team revenue. They wouldn't care about the numbers the Yanks submit to the public or the press. They also wouldn't care about ancillary reveue from other sources that are generated through team "relationships" (like the money the Yes network, itself, makes) for the ownership.? It just wouldn't concern them.? There are lots of ways the ownership makes money off the Yanks that isn't related to or part of the MLB revenue sharing.? The only things MLB really audits are local source revenue for the team (tickets, consessions, local radio/tv),national merchandise, and their cut of the national TV money.?

However, MLB executives DID comment that the 60 million dollar figure the Yanks list on the books for YES TV rights was vastly undervalued, that if that was the number the Yanks submitted to them they WOULD audit, and they felt additional revenue sharing payments would be necessary.? Whether all that happened, or the Yanks sent MLB the "real" value...I don't know.? But we never heard another peep out of the MLB execs on the subject, so..... It may very well be that, for book keeping purposes, that's the only thing they "charge" YES...but value the rights differently in their declaration to MLB.  In other words, they pay MLB like they're recieving full compensation from YES, but only charge YES a fraction of that amount.

No, the "public funding" piece of the PR push has ended.? But, again, if you read between the lines of that article, it's obvious why he's doing it.? Notice them talking about luxury boxes and ticket prices?? Do some checking around on some of the things other teams have done when THEIR new stadiums open.? Follow that thread of logic, to start.? Also keep in mind that one of the things the MLB allows is the team to make payments on a new stadium in leiu of some of their revenue sharing money.

And we'll see what questions they ask.? I'll bet dollars to donuts they don't ask the right questions, or, if they do, Cashman's answers are vague, at best.

[Markus Asraelius]

Yankees win 9-2, Chien Ming Wang wins his 15th game of the season and the yankees remain 6.5 games in front of the Boston Red Sox.

Alex Rodriguez sat out the game and said he had a tummy ache and in other news, Mike Mussina is placed on the 15 day Disabled List but will only miss about one start. He's eligible to come off the list when we play in Kansas City.

[pilferk]

Yankees win 9-2, Chien Ming Wang wins his 15th game of the season and the yankees remain 6.5 games in front of the Boston Red Sox.

Alex Rodriguez sat out the game and said he had a tummy ache and in other news, Mike Mussina is placed on the 15 day Disabled List but will only miss about one start. He's eligible to come off the list when we play in Kansas City.

Actually, it was a throat infection....with a high grade fever.  He was on antibiotics and Torre said he TOLD Alex he wasn't gonna let him play.



And the Yanks Magic number is, I think, 28.5.

[Sober_times]

The Red Sox are really starting to piss me off, first they almost get swept by the ROYALS!! and than get swept by the damn Yawkees. I swear they really need to get their shit together, damn JV needs to come back from injury already! Get that damn pitching under control.

edit: they did get swept, my mistake, creating a win helps ease the pain 

[Markus Asraelius]

The Red Sox are really starting to piss me off, first they almost get swept by the ROYALS!! and than get swept by the damn Yawkees. I swear they really need to get their shit together, damn JV needs to come back from injury already! Get that damn pitching under control.

They did get swept by the royals. I guess today really isn't your day.

[Sober_times]

Ya your right, for some reason I was thinking we had 4 against the royals and won 1 lost 3, i guess i was creating that peice of info in my mind to ease the pain. Though losing to a team once that blows a 9 run lead two weeks or so later is pretty bad 

[sandman]

Yankees win 9-2, Chien Ming Wang wins his 15th game of the season and the yankees remain 6.5 games in front of the Boston Red Sox.

Alex Rodriguez sat out the game and said he had a tummy ache and in other news, Mike Mussina is placed on the 15 day Disabled List but will only miss about one start. He's eligible to come off the list when we play in Kansas City.

Actually, it was a throat infection....with a high grade fever.? He was on antibiotics and Torre said he TOLD Alex he wasn't gonna let him play.



And the Yanks Magic number is, I think, 28.5.

magic number can't be a half game. it has to be a whole number.

the yanks magic number is 31.

- boston has 70 wins and 36 games left to play. so they could end up with 106 wins.
- yanks have 76 wins, so 31 more wins guarantees them the division title.

so everytime the yanks win or boston loses, you subtract 1 from the magic number.

[mikegiuliana]

how fucking awesome is carlos beltran this year..? 289 38 hrs 108 rbi+ 102 runs scored.. Lets not forget Jose reyes, the best lead off hitter going who will only become better...Leads in Steals triples runs scored 3 hrs in one game...

NY Mets 79 49 .617 -
Philadelphia 65 64 .504 14.5
Florida 62 66 .484 17.0
Atlanta 60 68 .469 19.0
Washington 55 74 .426 24.5

 

[Mal Brossard]

Reyes could probably be on first and steal second and third on the same pitch against half the Red Sox staff this year, especially with Lopez or Mirabelli catching.

[pilferk]

Reyes could probably be on first and steal second and third on the same pitch against half the Red Sox staff this year, especially with Lopez or Mirabelli catching.

Lord knows Figgins practically did it against the fucking Yanks this past weekend.



But, I suppose you can't complaing too much.  They were 7-4 on the road trip, managed to increase their lead over the sox by 5 games, and are almost through the toughest part of their remaining schedule.  Not too happy with going 2-4 over the last 6 games but...given the Red Sox did the same thing...I suppose it's not too much to get worked up over.

[Markus Asraelius]

We get a day off today for the first time in what 3 weeks?

The Yankees were tired, plain and simple. The Red Sox, meanwhile have to play a series aganist Oakland. A Team that has played Boston and New York well.

Also, the Boston Red Sox went 0-11 in their last serieses aganist the Mariners, Yankees and Royals. Fascinating isn't it?

[Mal Brossard]

Fascinating isn't it?

You misspelled "disgusting."

[Markus Asraelius]

Fascinating isn't it?

You misspelled "disgusting."

LOL.

Also, the red sox are 8-18 the month of August.