Camp Freddy (with Sorum) get's a call from a (new and old)GnR fan

[estrangedpaul]

I dont see how matt can be "hurt" that its called gnr. He was never really a real member anyway...

You obviously don't play in a band as you clearly don't understand the importance of a good drummer.

[slashisvr]

i find the comment real hard to accept about the "we wouldnt even of heard aboout slash, duff, izzy, steven"

im sure we woulod have heard about slash at one point, his talent was always recogniseable, he was mates with nikki sixx anyway, so im sure he would have broke in some where

duff is a great bassist, im sure his talent wouldnt have taken long to pick up

izzy is a great songwriter and player, who probaly wouldnt care if we didnt know who he was!!

as for steven.....well he'd probaly still be shooting up anyway so.......

[codenameninja]

i find the comment real hard to accept about the "we wouldnt even of heard aboout slash, duff, izzy, steven"

im sure we woulod have heard about slash at one point, his talent was always recogniseable, he was mates with nikki sixx anyway, so im sure he would have broke in some where

duff is a great bassist, im sure his talent wouldnt have taken long to pick up

izzy is a great songwriter and player, who probaly wouldnt care if we didnt know who he was!!

as for steven.....well he'd probaly still be shooting up anyway so.......

Slash is second in line to Axl, so sure, Slash might have appeared in someband, who knows 

heh, maybe if Duff had not had made GnR from the begining, he might have been picked up for the new GnR 

[mrlee]

No member would have made it with out each other.

still, when izzy left, i preffered gilby (as a live act).

[tomass74]

Lies has always been the weakest of the bunch, it's the one GnR album i never play.

I happen to like Lies more than eiether the Illusions.. Every song is classic in my opionion.. Although Patience bores the piss out of me... Lame sappy lyrics... In it's day I liked it though.

[CDesigner]

AFD is the classic GnR album, it does sound dated and poorly reocrded.

are you high? no seriously, are you?

[slashisvr]

AFD is the classic GnR album, it does sound dated and poorly reocrded.

are you high? no seriously, are you?

i also wonder this

[oldgunsfan]

without Axl i doubt we would have heard of Duff, Izzy, Slash or Adler.

And without those 4 we never hear of Axl probably, because SCOM put the band on the map in terms of mainstream coverage, and that wasn't Axl's riff. He was able to recognize it was good, but without Slash having the ability to come up with something so timeless the song never exists. It's like the chicken before the egg argument. Which is really responsible for the other.

And listening to Hollywood Rose there was nothing unique to their sound that would have made them the biggest rock band at that time

[Mr Bootlegs]

without Axl i doubt we would have heard of Duff, Izzy, Slash or Adler.

And without those 4 we never hear of Axl probably, because SCOM put the band on the map in terms of mainstream coverage, and that wasn't Axl's riff. He was able to recognize it was good, but without Slash having the ability to come up with something so timeless the song never exists. It's like the chicken before the egg argument. Which is really responsible for the other.

And listening to Hollywood Rose there was nothing unique to their sound that would have made them the biggest rock band at that time

Exactly it took Slash and Steven to form with Izzy and Axl and then along came Duff. Hey Presto, musical geniuses. I agree that patince never sounded right live, but that's cuz the stupid bastards hardly ever played it all acoustically. I love the studio version. Used To Love Her is admittantly a joke song by the band but it fuckin rocks so what. One In A Million is a well executed song. Mama Kin just OK? Unbeleivable man. Nice Boys is the song i wish they played more live. IT FUCKIN ROCKS!

[codenameninja]

AFD is the classic GnR album, it does sound dated and poorly reocrded.

are you high? no seriously, are you?

AFD was recorded before digital, i think the word is analog. Analog has it's limits and due to no fault of the artist, analog recorded albums have un wanted hiss and a slighy flat sound to them. The AFD GnR sounded so much better live than they do on the album. When Chinese Democracy arrives, the studio recording should be something else.

[chineseblues]

I dont see how matt can be "hurt" that its called gnr. He was never really a real member anyway...

You obviously don't play in a band as you clearly don't understand the importance of a good drummer.

You clearly dont know what a good drummer is if you call matt one. Most music fans will agree that sorum is a poor drummer. Hes ham fisted and has absolutely no groove at all.

[tomass74]

without Axl i doubt we would have heard of Duff, Izzy, Slash or Adler.

And without those 4 we never hear of Axl probably, because SCOM put the band on the map in terms of mainstream coverage, and that wasn't Axl's riff. He was able to recognize it was good, but without Slash having the ability to come up with something so timeless the song never exists. It's like the chicken before the egg argument. Which is really responsible for the other.

And listening to Hollywood Rose there was nothing unique to their sound that would have made them the biggest rock band at that time

True Dat..... That shit is pretty fucking terrible.  "I'm A rocker!!"

[Bill 213]

I dont see how matt can be "hurt" that its called gnr. He was never really a real member anyway...

You obviously don't play in a band as you clearly don't understand the importance of a good drummer.

You clearly dont know what a good drummer is if you call matt one. Most music fans will agree that sorum is a poor drummer. Hes ham fisted and has absolutely no groove at all.

Matt is a great drummer.  From his work in GNR to the Cult to VR, he's shown he knows his way around a drum kit.  What the hell do you mean he has no groove?  Most people with any taint of musical knowledge will tell you that Sorum is a decent drummer and can throw down.  Don't use your personal opinions to speak for "most" fans.

[Top-Hatted One]

I dont see how matt can be "hurt" that its called gnr. He was never really a real member anyway...

You obviously don't play in a band as you clearly don't understand the importance of a good drummer.

You clearly dont know what a good drummer is if you call matt one. Most music fans will agree that sorum is a poor drummer. Hes ham fisted and has absolutely no groove at all.

Matt is a great drummer.  From his work in GNR to the Cult to VR, he's shown he knows his way around a drum kit.  What the hell do you mean he has no groove?  Most people with any taint of musical knowledge will tell you that Sorum is a decent drummer and can throw down.  Don't use your personal opinions to speak for "most" fans.

Matt's a great drummer. I prefer steven and brain but Matt is a very good drummer and greatly respected in the industry. I don't know what you are talking about but then again i never know what you are talking about

[jameslofton29]

I dont see how matt can be "hurt" that its called gnr. He was never really a real member anyway...

You obviously don't play in a band as you clearly don't understand the importance of a good drummer.

You clearly dont know what a good drummer is if you call matt one. Most music fans will agree that sorum is a poor drummer. Hes ham fisted and has absolutely no groove at all.

You dont know anything. All you do is talk in cliches to make new members look good and old members look like shit. I heard Axl say in Mountain View with my own ears that Matt Sorum was the greatest drummer in the world. He said it in many other places as well. Is Axl a liar? Is he fickle? Just went along with Slash and Duff? Gimme a fucking break. If Sorum never left the band you would be saying he's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[Falcon]

Reel it in kids, we're in Dead Horse territory...

[gnr2k6]

you are a bunch of fuckin nobs arnt you???
for fuck sake get over the whole old/new gnr thing its old allready just be happy for every1 thats been in gnr as they are??
to the people that bitch about matt bein shit-well why arnt you a famous drummer that has been in many big bands??
probably becuase your shit and thats why you bitch.
this topic is about CFR nothing else so for fuck sake give it up...

[makane]

I think Matt was very controlled on the Guns records by other members. Not really any artistical freedom... I remember something that Axl told Matt to do that famous fill which is almost in every UYI song. Duff wrote some of the drums too, so it's not really all to blame on Matt.
I like him alot more on the Snakepit and Contraband.
I don't know what Chineseblues tries to achieve with that shit. I guess it's something like hes defence to drag the old band in shit to make the new-gn'r look better.
Dead Horse.

[chineseblues]

If you people knew anything you would know I have never liked matt's drumming ever since I became a gnr fan back in the early 90's. Adler might not be as technical but he is a better all around drummer to matt. So say what you want but you really dont know shit.

[Tomorrows]

Can someone trim the mp3 and upload just the Guns bit? Im eager to hear it but dont want to bust my limited bandwith.