are die hard gnr fans good critics?

[mikegiuliana]

Just asking... I mean are die hard new gnr fans the best people to say wether something is good or not...

Would you go to a backstreet boy's board for real opinions on their music or would you feel it was one sided?

Most fan boards everyone are super fans who get defensive if something negative is said

So are new gnr and axl die hard the best to be judging their music fairly?

Don't get mad, just a though, I know back in the day no one could say anything bad about gnr, and songs I defended I now see what people might have meant...

[Bill 213]

Nope they're not.  The best critic is a truly unbiased one.  Look at the daily rants on here about stuff.  The diehard fans feel that they're owed more and in a sense some artists actually do give their diehards a little extra stuff.  David Bowie actually has Bowienet for his fans which (sure they have to pay $60 a year subscription) but you get exclusive cds only available on there, you get rare mp3s from stuff he's never released, he actually gave away 130 pairs of tickets to a special concert for them only.  And he broadcasts some of his old concerts over it.  The only problem now is that since his health has been bad, it's not really been updated much, so it's not worth the membership anymore like it used to be.  Hell they had giveaways all the time on there too.

[ppbebe]

I was no where near a die hard fan of any band till I heard Chinese Democracy.
I still consider myself as a general music fan.
Count me as a good critic.

[mikegiuliana]

I was no where near a die hard fan of any band till I heard Chinese Democracy.
I still consider myself as a general music fan.
Count me as a good critic.

are you a die hard new gnr fan, or a certain member?? Maybe robin or axl? I am not really a die hard of any other band but gnr

[2NaFish]

the shows are for the fans, therefore there's are the only opinions that matter.

[mikegiuliana]

the shows are for the fans, therefore there's are the only opinions that matter.

I was talking about songs in general ,I mean would anyone go bonkers over leaks from other group to this degree? We all tend to make something better or protect it when it's our favorite artists.. it's like aguy who is in love with some wacky bitch and all his friends are like she's no good or she's nuts but he's so blinded he can't see it.. Same shit goes on the vr forums, people get so defensive and crazy..

[Sober_times]

There is no way a die-hard fan of any band is really a good judge of music for that band. Because you get 2 extremes from die-hard fans when new music is put up, they either love it and its great music, or the other extreme which it sucks it sounds nothing like their old stuff, the band sold out (well that was my argument when the load the shit and reload the shit came out for metallica)..so The real people I think that can judge this new music the best is people that are not in total love with all things GNR...

I was no where near a die hard fan of any band till I heard Chinese Democracy.
I still consider myself as a general music fan.
Count me as a good critic.

Are you talking about the Song Chinese Democracy or some of the leaks like better, and IRS, because i mean if you haven't seen em live then I can only think the song Chinese Democracy sucks, unless of course your a die hard gnr fan than of course you would love anything, based on theory above....but the bootlegs of the song CD are horrible, the rock in rio peformances of it have sucked, so i dont quite see how anybody can be exactly in love with that song with the crappy bootlegs we have of it. Now maybe if it had the same quality leak as lets say Better we could judge it whole lot better, no pun intended. BTW I love the new and old GNR and have seen both live. I think the new stuff is just O.k...if you compare it too old the leaks dont stand up to some of the hits of old, but its till pretty good music though maybe some studio quality tracks without a drum machine might make em better.

[mikegiuliana]

Better is a killer tune, I think the song cd is a fraction of better,,, It's a song I easily forget..

[Sober_times]

Better is a killer tune, I think the song cd is a fraction of better,,, It's a song I easily forget..

I'm one that belives after hearing Chinese Democracy live, if I had a leak with the same quality level as Better than I would actually listen to that song and put on a cd to drive around too.

[ppbebe]

I was no where near a die hard fan of any band till I heard Chinese Democracy.
I still consider myself as a general music fan.
Count me as a good critic.

are you a die hard new gnr fan, or a certain member?? Maybe robin or axl? I am not really a die hard of any other band but gnr

If you read my posts, you'd know that I love all the members who made the music.
A band is not one person. Well maybe not even the individuals in the band.
It's, so to speak, the muse that dwell in the band.
Till she gets bored with the members this band kickass.

[mikegiuliana]

your posts made me feel you were fond of robin.. Maybe I read them wrong, you know me

[cineater]

They bitch and whine continually like the critics so if that's the definition of good they're good critics. ?

[ppbebe]

Yep I'm found of Robin, Brain and Chris.  I like all the members. And Bucket!
well never mind I'm thankful to Ron for his subbing for BH.

I was no where near a die hard fan of any band till I heard Chinese Democracy.
I still consider myself as a general music fan.
Count me as a good critic.

Are you talking about the Song Chinese Democracy or some of the leaks like better, and IRS, because i mean if you haven't seen em live then I can only think the song Chinese Democracy sucks, unless of course your a die hard gnr fan than of course you would love anything, based on theory above....but the bootlegs of the song CD are horrible, the rock in rio peformances of it have sucked, so i dont quite see how anybody can be exactly in love with that song with the crappy bootlegs we have of it. Now maybe if it had the same quality leak as lets say Better we could judge it whole lot better, no pun intended. BTW I love the new and old GNR and have seen both live. I think the new stuff is just O.k...if you compare it too old the leaks dont stand up to some of the hits of old, but its till pretty good music though maybe some studio quality tracks without a drum machine might make em better.

Yeah I'm talking about the Song Chinese Democracy. Ever thought some people might have sharper ears for music than you?

[Sober_times]

Yeah I'm talking about the Song Chinese Democracy. Ever thought some people might have sharper ears for music than you?

I guess I was a little harsh, I wasnt trying to be insulting just really stating that a good studio track would be the real way to judge that song if hasnt been seen live, The quality of the song is not good...I myself can't really stand to listen to it anymore after hearing the better demos...Im not saying the song sucks cuz I like it live, I think the bootlegs do it horrible justice.

[jimmythegent]

Im hardcoe about GNR, the real GNR specifically but I guess Im reasonably hardcore about this band as well. I consider myself an objective critic but back in the day I wasnt so objective, a bit younger and GNR couldnt put a foot wrong in my view then. Now I can see the UYI bloat era had many flaws

[ppbebe]

Yeah I'm talking about the Song Chinese Democracy. Ever thought some people might have sharper ears for music than you?

I guess I was a little harsh, I wasnt trying to be insulting just really stating that a good studio track would be the real way to judge that song if hasnt been seen live, The quality of the song is not good...I myself can't really stand to listen to it anymore after hearing the better demos...Im not saying the song sucks cuz I like it live, I think the bootlegs do it horrible justice.

Well CD is like the sgt pepper title song. You can sorta see where it's heading for.

[LordRazZ]

I'm a die hard GnR fan, and while I consider myself unbiased, I still think GnR fans in general cannot be good critics about GnR.

Seeing as how there aren't many mass groups of fans hanging around nowadays, most of us are pretty alone outside the GnR community when it comes to GnR knowledge. This, in turn, gives us a sense of "knowing" about the band, their skills, what is and isn't really them, etc.

Just look at the leaked track debacle recently. There were those that strongly felt that the files were real. There were those that strongly felt they were fake. There was maybe two or three who sat back, and took things into consideration.

Of course, to play the Devil's Advocate, to be a true fan means you must have a taste for said bands talent, and therefore may be considered a good critic.

Then again, who's kidding who. Most GnR fans don't know their own asses from a hole in the ground. If I ever (highly doubted) need good info about a Backstreet Boys song, I'll head over to one of their fan forums.

If I need info about a GnR tune? I'll ask a member of the band repeatedly until they answer. Or, I'll just judge for myself.

In closing, die hard GnR fans are left alone so long with their own, unchallenged opinions of the band, they wind up about as helpful in a debate as a southern Christian on Creation.

[Johnnyblood]

The diehards are good critics within the box of Guns N Roses, and especially the new band. I think they are good at comparing the new songs with one another. Outside this small box the diehards have absolutely no perspective and are not good critics. You need to listen to A LOT of music to have decent perspective on one particular band.

[CheapJon]

hmm well the die hard fans of the "new" gn'r maybe aint the best citics.. but we are far better critics then the haters of new gn'r and axl.. you know the people who only like gn'r for the 87-93 era and slash fans..

me myself is a die hard fan.. both of the old AND the new.. like "new" guns are much better than velvet revolver for example in my opinion

Axl, robin, ron, richard, tommy, dizzy, brain and pitman are gn'r today and i absolutely love 'em

[LordRazZ]

Unfortunately, GnR is one of those unique cases where you have Old Band vs. New Band. And the fans, 90 percent of the time, fall into this category.

And yes, if you feel a sudden urge to tell the entire forum that you don't fall into this category, you probably do.