Kurt Cobain, sucide or murder?

[Markus Asraelius]

As everybody knows or should know, there are some strange circumstances regarding Mr. Cobain's death which make it seem like it was murder and not suicide. I for one, have heard enough of this evidence to conclude that it was in fact murder.

http://www.justiceforkurt.com/ has all the information regarding that.

But, among the things that makes me believe that is:

-The model they did which showed that the shotgun was too long in length for Kurt to have been able to stick it in his mouth and shoot himself.

-There was no fingerprints on the gun found next to his body.

-Kurt had 3 times the lethal dose of heroin and so he would have been unable to shoot himself.

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Anyways, all of this plus more stuff is on that site. I think we people take a look at all of this information, they began to realize it just doesn't add up.

[AxlsMainMan]

It's been over 10 years...

Kennedy's death has been unsolved for over 40 years now...

Time to move on dude...somethings just aren't meant to be uncovered.

However in answer to you're question, it was neither murder, nor suicide because Kurt WANTED to die...

To me at least, once you're desire to live has waned, it cant be construed as suicide or murder

[Markus Asraelius]

I created this thread to see how everybody felt about this because I think it's interesting to see what people think about certain things.  I didn't create this thread to solve this case.

Also, Kennedy's murder and cobain's death are different because everyone knows kenney got shot. But, some people still believe that Kurt committed suicide.

[Chelle]

 I personally believe that his death was an assisted suicide. ?

I saw a documentary that talked about all this and concluded that his death was most likely a suicide. ?Hadn't he tried to kill himself just a few months before his actual death? It doesn't add up though. ?Just the facts that there were no fingerprints on the gun and that it would have been nearly physically impossible for him to have lifted the gun by himself with that much heroin in his system prove that he was not alone.?

Anyway though, I guess we'll never really know? ?

R.I.P. Kurt Cobain

[DeN]

murder.

Kurt wasn't suicidal.
all his closest friends (all the ones who talked) said it.

[GunsN'Gravy]

It was an accident, he was trying to weaken his gag reflex by stuffing the gun down his throat, so he could be an even better cocksucker but it went off. Mystery solved.

[pilferk]

Whether he pulled the trigger or not....

Whether he pushed the plunger on the needle or not...

To me, it was always murder. ?Because even if he did kill himself, there was one person who drove him to it. ?If she didn't pull the trigger, or administer the drugs, or "do the deed", she mine as well have.

And I think you can all pretty much figure out who I think the culprit was.

I'm not, by far, the biggest Nirvana fan out there. ?But Kurt went long before his time..and that's a tragedy.

[Where is Hassan Nasrallah ?]

that documentary about his death was interesting,; with the porno-wreslter guy thing. lol.

[pasnow]

murder.

Kurt wasn't suicidal.
all his closest friends (all the ones who talked) said it.

Huh, that's odd considering the guy wrote a song "I hate myself and want to die"

Suicide. he was strung out for months leading up to it, dissatisfied with himself & who he & Nirvana was, escaped out of rehab days before..

Ashame, I'm a huge Nirvana fan, but let it be. And yes he did try and kill himself a few months prior, in Rome with 80 pills & a bottle of wine.?

 

[Markus Asraelius]

That rome incident is listed on that site and Kurt Cobain himself said that it wasn't suicide. It was just made to look that way.

[Neemo]

I dunno i never really read too much about it....I think he committed suicide...he had chronic stomach pains or something and had a difficult time dealing with fame....from what i understand...like i said i never really folloed it too closely but recently am interested in this story.Isn't there like a good biography about his life? I wanna read it

[pasnow]

That rome incident is listed on that site and Kurt Cobain himself said that it wasn't suicide. It was just made to look that way.

Denial.

[Neemo]

there is also a movie called "Last Days" which is apparently loosely based on Curt's last days...dunno how accurate it is but it portrays him as a depressive mess.

[Ellroy]

It's a skecthy death at best, but I always just assumed it was suicide based on his behavior throughout his life, though I wouldn't rule out a certain female having something to do with it. Cobain is just such a sad case. I never cared for Nirvana's music and I feel that had he not died Nirvana probably would have faded out after a few years and not be the legends they are today. I may blame Nirvana for the sad state of rock music today, but Cobain's death was a true tragedy. It's a horrible thing whether or not you thought he was talented. I read an interview with Axl (from '91 I think) in which he says he wanted Nirvana to tour with them but Cobain refused or something, but the interesting part of the interview was Axl's comments on Cobain's behavior and how he shouldn't let things get to his head or spiral out of control or something along those lines. It was an interesting read, basically a messed up person worried that another messed up person may get to close to the edge to come back.

[GunsN'Gravy]

Let him be dead.

[AxlsMainMan]

He's hiding out in Cuba, smoking some serious Chronic with 2Pac....

Case closed.

[Markus Asraelius]

That rome incident is listed on that site and Kurt Cobain himself said that it wasn't suicide. It was just made to look that way.

Denial.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. It's obvious that hardly anybody here has the deceny to look at all the facts involving his death. I was expecting a good conversation about this but I see that most people are incapable of having this type of conversation.

You want to talk about something else from this case. A guy from a band claimed that Courtney Love came to him and offered money, lots of money if this guy would kill Kurt Cobain. He never did but he later told people about this so what did they do? They gave him a lie detector test and he passed it, they were not lies. Passed it within' the 97-97 percent change.

Shortly after that, his body was found I believe, on the side of the road. Now, isn't that strange or what?

[pilferk]

Yeah, keep telling yourself that. It's obvious that hardly anybody here has the deceny to look at all the facts involving his death. I was expecting a good conversation about this but I see that most people are incapable of having this type of conversation.

You want to talk about something else from this case. A guy from a band claimed that Courtney Love came to him and offered money, lots of money if this guy would kill Kurt Cobain. He never did but he later told people about this so what did they do? They gave him a lie detector test and he passed it, they were not lies. Passed it within' the 97-97 percent change.

Shortly after that, his body was found I believe, on the side of the road. Now, isn't that strange or what?

The Dewitt/Courtney stuff is just disturbing.  It's not exactly a smoking gun, but it certainly says, to me, they knew more than they let on during the investigation.  Add to that Courtney's actions AFTER Kurt's death (immediately and in perpetuity), and something smells bad.

As I said, I don't know if her or Dewitt actually pulled the trigger or plunged the needle (or drugged the champagne)...I don't think there's enough info to level that charge categorically.  But I will say, if Courtney didn't DO it, directly, she drove him to it.

The man wasn't uncomfortable with fame, or with the direction of the band.  He was driven practically insane by a shrieking, ho-bag banshee hanger on who was completely in love with the rock and roll life style, but didn't have the talent to actually attain the lifestyle, herself.  And when confronted with the fact that the free ride might be over, she did everything in her power to hang on.  She might not have committed the murder, for sure, but she sure as hell played her very large part in it.  I think she pushed all the right buttons (as only a co-dependant can) and flipped all the right switches to make sure she got exactly what she really wanted out of Kurt.....his status and his money.  How she did it, exactly, is debateable.  But do it she did.

[pasnow]

That rome incident is listed on that site and Kurt Cobain himself said that it wasn't suicide. It was just made to look that way.

Denial.

You want to talk about something else from this case. A guy from a band claimed that Courtney Love came to him and offered money, lots of money if this guy would kill Kurt Cobain. He never did but he later told people about this so what did they do?

Yeah and did you see the guy?? He was some unemployed white trash redneck living in a trailer park in some shitty ass garage band of 40 year old men playing their 4th of July BBQ.? His credibilty? was about a zero, and I think he said he took a lie detector test, nobody vouched ever giving him one.

Look, I'm trying to offer my opinion, after deaths, conspiracy theories always come out (Elvis, 2Pac, Kennedy, I know there were Hendrix & Morrison rumors, though they never caught on as long). I was in college when it happened & I thought he faked it, it took me a while to accept it. But as I said I'm a huge fan, and I've read alot of interviews with him, and I can see right thru alot of his shit. He says he's clean, he never touched heroin after his daughter was born (who I can't beleive is about 15 already) etc etc... and the truth is the guy had problems.

Trust me, I know CL is a bitch, and probably had alot to do with driving him to the edge, but I don't believe she "hired" or wanted someone to kill him. Heck she was looking to ride the Cobain chow-wagon as long as she could. Once he killed himself she didn't have anyone to write material for her 2nd album so she got Billy Corgan to do it (Malibu, Celebrity Skin).

You'd be surprised to know he was basically messed up & high on herion ALMOST EVERY DAY since about '89.. That's not a pace one with access to unlimited amounts of heroin can keep up with before the odds of either OD or depression & suicidal thoughts gets to someone.

[pilferk]

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Trust me, I know CL is a bitch, and probably had alot to do with driving him to the edge, but I don't believe she "hired" or wanted someone to kill him. Heck she was looking to ride the Cobain chow-wagon as long as she could. Once he killed himself she didn't have anyone to write material for her 2nd album so she got Billy Corgan to do it (Malibu, Celebrity Skin).

The thing is...there's documented proof from people that say Curt was about to throw her OFF the chow wagon (by divorcing her AND cutting her out of his will). ?Granted the divorce settlement may have been lucrative, but.....she stood to take a drubbing in the press, lose whatever status she had, and would likely have found herself a strung out and very broke junkey in short order.  I'm not saying that says she "did it", by any means, but it's fucking disturbing the way things went down...and given we KNOW she lied, on multiple occasions, to the investigating officers, we also know she likely knew more than she let on.

Again, I don't think you can point at Courtney and say she was directly involved. ?On that we agree. ?Maybe, maybe not. ?But the woman certainly put Kurt in a position where suicide was looking like the only way to get away from the shrew, for certain. ?Which is why I've always said, and will always say, she killed him. ?Maybe not directly...but she still did it. ?By her hand or his, it doesn't really matter to me.

The even bigger tragedy in all this is that Francis Bean has had to endure it all. ?I can't IMAGINE that Courtney is the most stable parent on the planet, either. ?Poor kid.