Possible theory: The record company is holding up Chinese Democracy??

[Neemo]

A couple quotes from the last 2 shows got me thinking.....

June 4th, 2006 Milan, Italy @ Idroscalo (Gods of Metal Festival) - "you know, as if we could do up here whatever we pleased, but in fact, we can't"

June 7th, 2006 London, England @ Hammersmith Apollo Theatre - After playing Better, "That was off our last album"

Is the record company holding up the release of this CD for the Optimal Sales (ie the Christmas rush November) ? and by holding onto the album they are stopping GnR from playing new songs and "burying AFD" (as some people refer to it)?

I mean we know Axl reads these sites, so he must have something to say about all the setlist complaints....

[Scabbie]

I think the second quote was more of a joke...probably referring to the leaks as being the last album

The first one is more interesting...I understand your theory, but I rather think its Axl holding it up, not the record company who would probably put it out tomorrow if they could.

[slashisvr]

its a theory, but i fail to see it being true

i mean itis the most popular unreleased album anyway, it would shift loads

[carlosmontana]

I think the rec comp (or axl) is waiting f?r the us tour, reducing the risk for the americans downloading the CD from us bad, bad people of europe who have had the buzz for longer. something like that... 

[pilferk]

Axl, himself, during the Trunk interview said the sequencing of the 1st and 2nd albums weren't completed yet and songs were constantly swapping back and forth between the two.

I think that's evidence enough that, at this point anyway, it's not the label holding things up.

[Neemo]

haha way to go pilferk you killed my thread, i hope you're happy

he also said that it might be out late fall and definately this year on radio stations....i'm of the opinion that it has been turned over to the label....in your experience Pilferk (or anybody) how long does a CD take to go from the mastering stage to the final product on shelves?

[pilferk]

haha way to go pilferk you killed my thread, i hope you're happy

he also said that it might be out late fall and definately this year on radio stations....i'm of the opinion that it has been turned over to the label....in your experience Pilferk (or anybody) how long does a CD take to go from the mastering stage to the final product on shelves?

From what I've read and heard it so widely varies that it's hard to nail down any kind of "norm".  Mostly because labels set dates based on their wants, needs, wishes, etc...so if an album is done in, for example, June, but they wanna hold off on it til November as a Holiday release...they do.

The minimum amount of time is about 3 to 4 weeks, I'd say, from mastering to the shelf.  That includes replication, packaging, and distribution (and ignores things with longer lead times like possible advertising or whatever the label might want to do).  If you were really on a rush you might be able to do it just a bit quicker, but I don't think much unless everything went exactly perfect and everything (and I mean everything) was pre-set and ready to roll the minute the mastering process was done.

[Neemo]

thanks pilferk....

see i also think there is alot more going on than we know (duh ) and I'm sure Axl wants optimal sales too but I dunno, those two quotes on back to back shows are kinda odd IMO and i thought I'd see what y'all had to say about it

[pilferk]

thanks pilferk....

see i also think there is alot more going on than we know (duh ) and I'm sure Axl wants optimal sales too but I dunno, those two quotes on back to back shows are kinda odd IMO and i thought I'd see what y'all had to say about it

It's possible.  I mean....working out sequencing could certainly have been done (or is being done) while the band has been touring/performing.

We all know that, in the past, when the album is "done", Axl has let us know during shows....so it's not out of the realm of plausibility that he's dropping hints, or will eventually just outright tell us, during one of the Euro shows.  That's what he did in July of '91, so......

[Neemo]

that's what i was thinking too Pilferk...coupled with the long ass trunk interview and the other interview he did when he unveiled the KROQ show as well as an article in the newest Guitar world....I think the Ball has begun rolling

[Buddha_Master]

I remember Axl saying they wanted to bury appetite...but he was referring to the Illusions albums. And yea, that didnt work out as planned. Here's to you CD ya motherfucker you.

[AxlsMainMan]

It's been no secret that Axl has largely been recording this album on his "own" timeline, therefore I see it impossible to predict how long the mastering process would take him...

[pilferk]

It's been no secret that Axl has largely been recording this album on his "own" timeline, therefore I see it impossible to predict how long the mastering process would take him...

True enough.

That's why I gave a minimum from mastering to shelf (which doesn't include, FYI, the mastering itself), rather than any guess about how long THIS album will take, or how long THIS album will take to master.

[The Dog]

A couple quotes from the last 2 shows got me thinking.....

June 4th, 2006 Milan, Italy @ Idroscalo (Gods of Metal Festival) - "you know, as if we could do up here whatever we pleased, but in fact, we can't"

I think people are reading into this WAY too much....

[madagas]

Axl also specifically said he has been recording "off and on" for ten years on the Eddie Trunk show-ie he works on the album sporadically. It is painfully obvious that he is in no hurry whatsoever to release it. Buddha, you are right, he did say he wanted to bury Afd but that was specifically meant in reference to UYI. It cracks me up when people take a 17 year old comment and try to say that it is meaningful to Chinese Democracy. Axl has obviously come to love AFD as evidenced by our night in and night out setlists.

[AxlsMainMan]

Axl also specifically said he has been recording "off and on" for ten years on the Eddie Trunk show. It is also painfully obvious that he is in no hurry whatsoever to release it.

I think it's painfully obvious judging by the enthusiasm, and passion the band puts into the new songs live, that his bandmembers are very much in a hurry to have the album out there so they can play what they've been waiting all along to play...

[madagas]

agree. The late starts and the fact there is still no release date worries me. At what point do these guys give up? It may not be now or even 6 months from now, but I still worry cause I think they are a great band-completely on their own terms.

[AxlsMainMan]

agree. The late starts and the fact there is still no release date worries me. At what point do these guys give up. It may not be now or even 6 months from now, but I still worry cause I think they are a great band-completely on their own terms.

Well, if there touring with Axl, then it reaffirms they are fully under his pay-role, therefore I see no real reason to give up, if there slowly setting themselves up, financially for life.

I started asking myself why Richard or Tommy dont ask Axl to throw in some Double Talkin' Jive or something, when I remembered whether they were tight on rehearsal time or not, Axl more than likely has the last say in what songs will be played and when.

[TempleOfRoses]

The Record Company has spent 13+ million dollars on this album, they are not holding it back what-so-ever.  Axl will release when he feels like it.

[CAFC Nick]

The Record Company has spent 13+ million dollars on this album, they are not holding it back what-so-ever.? Axl will release when he feels like it.

Don't say such scary things!!?