Ebay police...

[meanmachine73]

Whats happened to all the DVD boots from Ebay? I know it isnt strictly legal and all that bollox, and it's better to trade etc..etc..

I have previously bought ton's of stuff off there, never had a problem. If I am happy to spend my ?'s what's the problem? Someone was selling a high quality full DVD recording of RIR yesterday, now it's been deleted.

Is it one of these GN'R hoarders contacting Ebay?
I would have bought that and done something similar to what Darknemus is doing so we can all share...

[mrlee]

Whats happened to all the DVD boots from Ebay? I know it isnt strictly legal and all that bollox, and it's better to trade etc..etc..

I have previously bought ton's of stuff off there, never had a problem. If I am happy to spend my ?'s what's the problem? Someone was selling a high quality full DVD recording of RIR yesterday, now it's been deleted.

Is it one of these GN'R hoarders contacting Ebay?
I would have bought that and done something similar to what Darknemus is doing so we can all share...

cause alot of people think its unfair to charge and that they should just be uploaded on net for free for everyone.

[meanmachine73]

I can understand that.. How very liberal of people........

 I personally don't have the resource to download DVD's from the Net and am more than happy to pay for an item that really want....

I can't understand the situation. Franky it pisses me off.

[life_247]

B&P??

If have a dvd burner, simply get in contact with people who will swop a show for a show. Im going to be doing it with the hammerstien shows, and i have RIR III (2 Disc) and MSG 2002 (2 Disc) as well. 46 blank dvd's ready to burn to

[Tomorrows]

Merck's been busy 

[pilferk]

I THINK it's illegal to sell bootlegs.

It is NOT, I think, illegal to trade them.

Thus, if somone is charging for them on ebay...they get removed when ebay notices.

Someone more involved in that whole process will, I'm sure, have a better explanation.

[life_247]

Correct. Its illegal to trade a bootleg for money at all! It's NOT illegal to have them/record them/ trade them.

[gnrlies247]

Whats happened to all the DVD boots from Ebay? I know it isnt strictly legal and all that bollox, and it's better to trade etc..etc..

I have previously bought ton's of stuff off there, never had a problem. If I am happy to spend my ?'s what's the problem? Someone was selling a high quality full DVD recording of RIR yesterday, now it's been deleted.

Is it one of these GN'R hoarders contacting Ebay?
I would have bought that and done something similar to what Darknemus is doing so we can all share...

Yeh, i had a look on there yesterday and was shocked to see that show on there and was gonna buy it, but didn't have time to yesterday, so i was gonna buy it today but when i clicked in the item(i was watching it in 'my ebay') it said it had been removed, which is a shame.There used to be loads of gnr boots available, but now there is none.

[Bandita]

I can understand that.. How very liberal of people........

 I personally don't have the resource to download DVD's from the Net and am more than happy to pay for an item that really want....

I can't understand the situation. Franky it pisses me off.

If you are part of this board which you obviously are, why not make a request for something?  There are many people here who are not hoarders and are willing to share what they have providing you do a B and P instead of doing an illegal transaction on Ebay.  Isn't that what this part of the forum is all about?

[fear the juggalo]

i have asked for help because i dont have a burner. but nobody ever helps me so i buy on ebay. i dont have anything to trade, because i dont have a burner. so if someone wants to send me some shows that would be great, but thats not going to happen, so i have ro buy on ebay, so please dont make it any harder for me.

[gun]

All boots are NOT illegal to sell.  It's very complicated, you would have to thouroughly read the Public Domain section of the Geneva fair trade act.  Kind of grey in some areas.  However, I think it is much better to up them for free when possible or at least make no monetary gain when selling them to those who can't download them.  Ebay sometimes takes them down not because of their legality or lack of so much as ebay's own policies.  Many things that are perfectly legal to sale (unreleased producer's cuts of movies for instance, such as the popular Halloween 6 which features 45 mins different than the released version) are not allowed to be sold on Ebay just as a safety net.  However you still see these being sold from time to time.

**Note to juggalo: I will burn them for you at no cost outside of regular shipping and the dvdr's themselves.

[Fusion]

Correct. Its illegal to trade a bootleg for money at all! It's NOT illegal to have them/record them/ trade them.

I don't believe this is correct.  I did a bit of reading and my impression is that bootlegs are illegal.  Why?  Because the performer has intellectual property rights that are violated when a bootleg is recorded.  If the performer hasn't authorized the recording of the show, that makes a bootleg an unauthorized copy of the performance and is technically intellectual property theft.

So bootlegs are illegal, period.  Certainly recording them is, and I think distributing probably as well.  Bands and record companies tend not to care because the only group who collects boots in the first place is the band's hard core fans.  They are loyal and will in most cases buy all the official merchandise anyways.

Selling it is deemed to be very bad, but it really doesn't hurt the artist any more than trading of the bootleg.  The artist loses no money because the sale of the bootleg isn't taking away from sales of an official product.

Here's a good article on this topic.  The writer argues that neither trading or selling should be viewed as illegal or unethical.  His point I think is that if there is a willing buyer and a willing seller, and the performers aren't losing money due to the sale, then the parties should be able to do the transaction.

http://www.bobsboots.com/boot.html

Personally I bought a few boots on ebay to start off, but I find that the stuff you get there can be very iffy.  The online sharing and trading community is much better in terms of quality and choice, and much less expensive. 

[Krispy Kreme]

B&P??

If have a dvd burner, simply get in contact with people who will swop a show for a show. Im going to be doing it with the hammerstien shows, and i have RIR III (2 Disc) and MSG 2002 (2 Disc) as well. 46 blank dvd's ready to burn to

A lot of people who havd big collections and are hawks about collecting won't condescend to b+p, so ebay is the only way. should one pay for what is free? No, of course not, in an ideal world. But reality is reality and for those who can't torrent or who can't find people willing to do b+ps it is the only way.

[gnr2006]

I do B+P for any 2002 or 2006 GNR show that I own.

[gun]

So bootlegs are illegal, period.

Again...read the Public Domain section.  It's not that black and white.  It depends on said and implied copyrights but also on uncontested or willful acknowledgement of placement into the Public Domain...so, again...all bootlegs are NOT illegal. 

Unauthorized and illegal are not interchangeable.  Ever heard of "The Unauthorized" this or that of a dvd or book?  That's because it is LEGAL, it's how you state it and what you are using (officially copyrighted or restricted infringements) that make the difference.

Let me put it this way, do you honestly think Jarmo would allow the mp3 recordings on this site if they were illegal?  No.   

**NOTE:  By the way, I am in no way trying to belittle you Fusion, just want you to know that up front.  I am a writer (no, you have never heard of me  ) and have been exposed to quite a bit of info concerning this area and I am only trying to shed some light/personal insight on the subject! 

[Bandita]

I really don't know the legality of it but what I do know is that GNR hates it-

If anyone hasn't seen this thread, I hope this is ok to post this here, they are even attempting to hand out flyers at the door at shows they are doing in Europe in addition to what is printed on the tickets about recording devices, stating that anything recorded in the venues will be the property of the band or their management-

They didn't do this in NY at the shows I was at so maybe the laws are different here, I really have no clue but I do believe selling bootlegs is just plain illegal.  Also to the thread starter, do post a request and I am sure someone can help you out.


http://www.mygnrforum.com/index.php?showtopic=73730

[new-gnr]

when  a tour is going i say leave all the 06's fucking alone.people film just to make a buck and if they keep getting suspended then we may not get shit.dont think john m or limilus wouldnt buy something then attack the seller so nobody else gets it...they are the black hole of the gnr trading community!!!


LEAVE THE SELLERS FUCKING ALONE.

alot of fans depend on ebay to get thier gnr fix and why should youfuck that up?  if i was trying to buy some gnr and people kept getting them suspended who would i get mad at? think about that for a minute,nobody is forcing anyone to buy jack.they want to buy.i paid $100 for the 4 nyc boots because iwanted them,period.

[jemin]

The thing for me is re selling.  Not the actual filmers selling the DVD's.  But people that come on the trackers and download shit and then turn around and sell it.  Same with the guys that buy the DVD's from the filmer and then turn around and put them on ebay themselves.  That is also another concern for the filmers when waiting to ship out.  I have no problem buying from the filmer as I have done (as have others as these Hammerstien DVD's are proof of) and will do.

Don't shit on the filmers but the re sellers are the ones that kill it.  That's who the focus should be on.