record industry returning to the days of Vinyl?

[Fusion]

This is pretty cool cuz I'm in the middle of collecting GN'R on vinyl.  So far I have:

Live Like a Suicide 
AFD Banned Cover
Lies Banned Cover
The Spaghetti Incident? Orange Vinyl
Patience Single + interview w/ Axl
Paradise City single
Paradise City Shaped Picture Disc
Yesterdays Picture Disc
Nightrain Shaped Picture Disc
Sweet Child O' Mine Shaped Picture Disc
You Could Be Mine single
Don't Cry single (Hologram cover)
November Rain single (logo etched onto disc)
AFD Promo Flexi Disc

You can get all this shit on ebay.  I'm totally into it and it's pretty damn great.  But I have to stop buying now as it's also pretty damn expensive.    The only bad thing about buying online is that sometimes what you get isn't in as good a condition as you expect.  This has happened a few times.  But there's not much other option, as this stuff just isn't available in stores, and for the most part it's 15-20 years old and used, although you'd be surprised at how much stuff is out there that is still sealed in original shrink wrap.

They are great as collectibles though.  Check out the Yesterdays picture disc:

http://www.musicstack.com/item/84777081/guns+n+roses/yesterdays

Nightrain shaped disc (these are really cool):

http://www.musicstack.com/item/203844046/guns+n+roses/nightrain

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

Hey, LIES had a banned cover?  Help a brother out!


Help in pic form would be best.
Thanks

[Fusion]

Yeah, but it's not like it's a big difference like AFD.  Actually I'm not sure if the cover was technically banned, or just reissued with some alterations.

On the bottom left the replacement version just says "Lies, Lies, Lies".

On the first one in that spot it says "Wife beating has been around for 10,000 years".  It also says "Ladies, welcome to the dark ages", which also was taken off on the new version.  I'm not sure if there are any other differences.  To be honest my copy of the first cover hasn't arrived yet. 

And of course there is the topless girl on the inside, uncensored; which is covered up on the reissue.  Although I have seen the second cover with the inside pic uncensored.  Not sure what the story is with that.

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/releases/discog/gnrlies.htm

WX 218 is the item number for the original cover, and is suposedly more rare than the reissued version.  It's not that expensive to buy, though I don't see too many popping up on ebay in mint condition.

Decent pic of it here:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/GUNS-N-ROSES-GNR-LIES-LP-exc-condition_W0QQitemZ4892565171QQcategoryZ1077QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Seller says the item number is 24198.  Not sure why.  There's probably some explanation for that.  Maybe they didn't change the cover in every country, but they did change the item number.  Technically then, this probably isn't the first pressing.

[gnr1967]

I miss the days of vinyl now, but at the time that they were being phased out, I thought CDs were the latest the greatest.  I still remember passing over The Spaghetti Incident on vinyl for a CD version.     (Looking back, I think it's amazing that I could even find the Spaghetti Incident on vinyl in my local shopping mall back then!)

Regarding vintage audio, anyone remember Reel-to-Reel players? 

[directionality]

Another reason why the industry are trying to "hype" vinyl is you have to buy the record, you can't burn them.? The Record Ind might be trying to show vinyl as the hip and "retro" thing to do these days.? But this is IMO.

... but you can still download the album beforehand...

Good lord man, do you read?

Well, actually, you can "burn" vinyl. ?

 

Good luck getting the equipment for that.

No equipment needed except for a record player and a cord to plug into your computer where the microphone would go. I've burned most of my record collection using basic sound editing programs.

[Skeba]

Which sounds better, your landline phone or your cell phone in good coverage?

Think about that one for a minute.

Nyquist Theorem approximates and samples the soundwave as stated above. ?Darn near identical, but it's fact that the "voice" you hear over your phone is not the other person's real voice... just a digital representation of it. ?I personally still think it sounds better digitized, though the technical argument is definitely that vinyl and pure analog specifically are inherently "perfect" or actual.

Don't go comparing the two. Music and voice. Voice data on phones is always discrete. Be it either landline phone or a cell phone. It's always quatized using different algorithms (a bit different ones in the US in comparison to Europe). And actually on a cell phone, you're not even listening to the actual voice, but a computer generated voice from a few coefficients calculated from the original voice. It's synthesized.

All music is recorded in digital form these days. And no matter how you transform the sound back to analog, it'll have the same limitations that the original digital signal has. Sure, the tracks are usually recorded with a higher sampling rate (usually 96kHz), and a they use more bits to represent the quantizing levels (usually 24), but this is only because when mixing the final product, the rounding errors cumulate. If the 'standard' 44Khz 16bit signals were used, it after a few rounding errors, could be audible to the human ear.

There's a reason they chose the sampling rate to be 44kHz, and 16 bits to represent quantizing levels. It was so that humans wouldn't be able to make a difference. 95% of all the difference heard between a vinyl and a cd, is due to the degrading quality that happens when audio is read and passed on in an analog form. all the analog components in every machine add hiss to the sound, where as in digital audio the only hiss comes from the rounding errors made in the A/D conversion and when amplifying the D/A converted sound. ?The rest 5%, is really up to the listener. Whether he/she prefers the one over the other. Over 90% of people do _not_ even have hifi-systems so good, that would actually be able to produce 100% comparable listening circumstanses. On my system I really hardly hear a difference between a cd and a 192kbit VBR-encoded MP3.

I really wouldn't go as far as saying that a vinyl sounds noticeably better than a CD. And as the next format of music storage comes to the market, and even more bits are used per second. Even that will be inaudible. But of course there will always be people who'll say that it doesn't sound as good. Some people also believe that these: http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm improve sound quality of a sound system...

But do I believe it would be cool if CD came on vinyl? Sure. Why not.

[AxlsMainMan]

Dont all artists, or groups still press their albums in vinyl?

I know vinyl isn't available in a modern day record shop, but Ive always heard if you wanted "it" on vinyl, you just had to order it....

I seriously hope Axl presses Chinese Democracy on vinyl, if only a few copies because Id buy that over even a 5.1 sound quality anyday...

Nothing beats vinyl

[Thorazine Shuffle]

Another reason why the industry are trying to "hype" vinyl is you have to buy the record, you can't burn them.? The Record Ind might be trying to show vinyl as the hip and "retro" thing to do these days.? But this is IMO.

... but you can still download the album beforehand...

Good lord man, do you read?

Well, actually, you can "burn" vinyl. ?

 

Good luck getting the equipment for that.

No equipment needed except for a record player and a cord to plug into your computer where the microphone would go. I've burned most of my record collection using basic sound editing programs.

That's not what I mean't.

[Gargh!]

Vinyl has better sound, especially in feedback heavy rocordings.  Feedback on digital recordings sounds s***.  Of course, in terms of conveniance etc. CDs have the upper hand.

[AxlsMainMan]

Vinyl has better sound, especially in feedback heavy rocordings.? Feedback on digital recordings sounds s***.? Of course, in terms of conveniance etc. CDs have the upper hand.

Once there scratched though, CD's are essentially useless, whereas with vinyl you get a huge jacket for the record, and unless you're careless, you could have it for life

[codenameninja]

I have AFD on Vinyl (with the banned cover) and i have Paradise City on Vinyl (i think the whole sleave is a poster). I have a nother Vinyl too that i cannot remember. I also have 2 bootleg live shows on Vinyl filled with live show stuff. I should photograph the sleaves and post'em up.

If CD has a good cover then a Vinyl version would be coo.

[BeefyD]

Ahhhh...vinyl.  Alot of vinyl is still available for new albums in UK and Japan. Not too much in States here...

[Layne Staley's Sunglasses]

Chinese Democracy will be available on vinyl.

[McDuff]

Vinyl has better sound, especially in feedback heavy rocordings.? Feedback on digital recordings sounds s***.? Of course, in terms of conveniance etc. CDs have the upper hand.

Once there scratched though, CD's are essentially useless, whereas with vinyl you get a huge jacket for the record, and unless you're careless, you could have it for life

Oh yeah I agree with that,I have some stuff on vinyl,I like it,but I hate the pops and shit that go along with vinyl,so I prefer cds,but if the new GN'R album is released on vinyl that would be cool,I'd buy it and a cd version 

[Lord Kayoss]

I can just picture the new car stereos equipped with a technologically superior vinyl player...

And let's not forget the all new vinyl storage!  Straps right under your roof!  Holds up to 3 records!

[Gunner80]

Which sounds better, your landline phone or your cell phone in good coverage?

Think about that one for a minute.

Nyquist Theorem approximates and samples the soundwave as stated above.  Darn near identical, but it's fact that the "voice" you hear over your phone is not the other person's real voice... just a digital representation of it.  I personally still think it sounds better digitized, though the technical argument is definitely that vinyl and pure analog specifically are inherently "perfect" or actual.

Don't go comparing the two. Music and voice. Voice data on phones is always discrete. Be it either landline phone or a cell phone. It's always quatized using different algorithms (a bit different ones in the US in comparison to Europe). And actually on a cell phone, you're not even listening to the actual voice, but a computer generated voice from a few coefficients calculated from the original voice. It's synthesized.

All music is recorded in digital form these days. And no matter how you transform the sound back to analog, it'll have the same limitations that the original digital signal has. Sure, the tracks are usually recorded with a higher sampling rate (usually 96kHz), and a they use more bits to represent the quantizing levels (usually 24), but this is only because when mixing the final product, the rounding errors cumulate. If the 'standard' 44Khz 16bit signals were used, it after a few rounding errors, could be audible to the human ear.

There's a reason they chose the sampling rate to be 44kHz, and 16 bits to represent quantizing levels. It was so that humans wouldn't be able to make a difference. 95% of all the difference heard between a vinyl and a cd, is due to the degrading quality that happens when audio is read and passed on in an analog form. all the analog components in every machine add hiss to the sound, where as in digital audio the only hiss comes from the rounding errors made in the A/D conversion and when amplifying the D/A converted sound.  The rest 5%, is really up to the listener. Whether he/she prefers the one over the other. Over 90% of people do _not_ even have hifi-systems so good, that would actually be able to produce 100% comparable listening circumstanses. On my system I really hardly hear a difference between a cd and a 192kbit VBR-encoded MP3.

I really wouldn't go as far as saying that a vinyl sounds noticeably better than a CD. And as the next format of music storage comes to the market, and even more bits are used per second. Even that will be inaudible. But of course there will always be people who'll say that it doesn't sound as good. Some people also believe that these: http://www.shakti-innovations.com/audiovideo.htm improve sound quality of a sound system...

But do I believe it would be cool if CD came on vinyl? Sure. Why not.

DVD audio is the future.