Interesting trend I've noticed

[lald04]

Everyone bitching about the shows, the setlists, the performance of the band, and the amount of solos are people who weren't even at the shows, and a handful of journalists who probably aren't even GnR fans per se to begin with.? Why is it that almost everyone who was at the shows has said they kicked ass?? And why is it that the people bashing the shows are trying to tell those of us who were there that we're wrong about how great the shows were and that the crappy internet streams and boots they've seen tell the whole story?? I haven't seen anyone who is a GnR fan who was at a show say a bad thing about it.? Who gives a damn if they play mostly the same songs every night?? They're playing for the people AT the show, not the people listening to or watching boots of every single show online, most of the people in the crowds at the European shows haven't seen GnR in many years, or ever!? If you were seeing GnR play for the first time in over a decade or for the first time, you wouldn't want to hear a bunch of the old songs?? 4 to 6 new songs is pretty good by the standard of other bands with as many hits in their catalogue as GnR especially since the album hasn't even been released yet

I can't stand the bitching either. When Guns N' Roses were gone for a while, people were bitching about how they weren't showing up anywhere. Now that they are here, people are bitching about songs, band members, etc. People will never be satisfied.

[Bostonrose]

why does it bother you if someone hates a specific show?? I liked the NY show I was at, the 17th,? thought RIO sucked, I wasn't there, but I still thought it sucked...

and your assertion that a journalist gives GNR a bad review becuase they aren't fans is just moronic.

Why does everyone think eveyr reviewer has something against Axl,   get outside this board and realize no one else cares

[ShotgunBlues1978]

why does it bother you if someone hates a specific show?  I liked the NY show I was at, the 17th,  thought RIO sucked, I wasn't there, but I still thought it sucked...

and your assertion that a journalist gives GNR a bad review becuase they aren't fans is just moronic.

Why does everyone think eveyr reviewer has something against Axl,   get outside this board and realize no one else cares

You're one of the primary people bitching about everything.  You've devoted way more time to talking about how this isn't Guns N Roses and how much Rio sucked and how the setlists suck than the praise of the show you actually attended.  You were on here bitching about Rio and trying to act like your take on the shitty stream that you watched was more valid than the take of the people who were actually AT the show

And you're also going back on your own words.  Here you say that the press doesn't have anything against Axl and the new band, and that "nobody cares", but you started a thread about how Chinese Democracy would get slammed because the press won't accept the new band.  For the record I never said that every reviewer has something against Axl.  A lot of the reviews were very positive.  The fan reaction has been tremendous.  But every time there's one negative review, there's a shitstorm with people like you talking about how a couple negative reviews, probably written by journalists who aren't even GnR fans, prove that the new band is a letdown 

[HoldenCaulfield]

The haters go to a GNR show wanting to hate it, and they're too weak to admit that GNR *does* put on a kickass show. I don't care who you are, or what kind of music you like, I fail to see how you can go to a GNR concert and not have a blast. I know it's the most fun I've ever experienced...

[Skeletor]

get outside this board and realize no one else cares

I have, and I think you're wrong. I've seen people, just casual music listeners, get so mad at Axl it sounds like he's personally abused them or something. They simply love to hate him. Axl is one of those people that is very well known, and almost everyone's got an opinion of him. And usually it's either of the highest praise or utter disgust.

[jameslofton29]

When the band comes through their neck of the woods, they'll be the first ones to be going on and on about how great the show was, too. Pay them no mind.

Not all of us are that shallow. When GNR comes to my "neck of the woods" in September, I will give an honest review of the performance. If I like it, I will praise it. If not, then I will say so. Just because someone reviewing one of these shows isn't worshipping the setlist and writing a love letter to Finck in their review doesn't mean their opinion should be ignored.

[Mr.Intensity]

Yeah,

I wrote a positive review about the New York shows and my New York expierience, but my review of the next show will be a dissapointed one if he doesn't do at least 6-10 new songs, I can accept him not wanting to do a lot of new material now, because it looks as though we won't have CD until November, but if in Sep + Oct he is still doing 80% old material and THE SAME old material, I won't be as please with the show. The band has got to be chomping at the bit to play THEIR new material too.

[jameslofton29]

The band has got to be chomping at the bit to play THEIR new material too.

I have always thought that. Hell, even in 2002 they were likely dying to play it. The songs we've heard so far kick ass, and some of the songs are just as good(in some cases better) than the old material. They have been loyal to Axl for many years. He needs to let them shine and to show the world what these guys were capable of doing.

[Mr.Intensity]

The band has got to be chomping at the bit to play THEIR new material too.

I have always thought that. Hell, even in 2002 they were likely dying to play it. The songs we've heard so far kick ass, and some of the songs are just as good(in some cases better) than the old material. They have been loyal to Axl for many years. He needs to let them shine and to show the world what these guys were capable of doing.

I agree with you completely, but I'll let him do a world tour with 80% old material mainly because he only did like 10 shows in 2002, if his goal is to get the name back out there, then what he is doing right now is fine. Soon his goal has to be to let the new band stand on its OWN music, and we'll see if that happens, I think it will, in my opinion he should release C.D within the next 30-60 days then have his fall U.S tour be in support of it....... but, we'll see what happens.

[Tomorrows]

The band has got to be chomping at the bit to play THEIR new material too.

I have always thought that. Hell, even in 2002 they were likely dying to play it. The songs we've heard so far kick ass, and some of the songs are just as good(in some cases better) than the old material. They have been loyal to Axl for many years. He needs to let them shine and to show the world what these guys were capable of doing.

Im not so sure about that. The material they are playing now is incredibly strong and achieves a good balance of songs old and new. Considering they dont have the album out yet, a tour where they are playing 6 of the songs on it isnt bad. Also, as the 2002 press release stated, its important to play some of the oldies.

Also, Stintson is the musical director if GnR apparently. I dont know how much power of choice for the setlist that gives him, but its an thing interesting to think about.

[Mr.Intensity]

The band has got to be chomping at the bit to play THEIR new material too.

I have always thought that. Hell, even in 2002 they were likely dying to play it. The songs we've heard so far kick ass, and some of the songs are just as good(in some cases better) than the old material. They have been loyal to Axl for many years. He needs to let them shine and to show the world what these guys were capable of doing.

Im not so sure about that. The material they are playing now is incredibly strong and achieves a good balance of songs old and new. Considering they dont have the album out yet, a tour where they are playing 6 of the songs on it isnt bad. Also, as the 2002 press release stated, its important to play some of the oldies.

Also, Stintson is the musical director if GnR apparently. I dont know how much power of choice for the setlist that gives him, but its an thing interesting to think about.

I'll be surprised if they don't add at least one or two more illusion tracks to the setlist by the end of Europe, I hope we see Rhiad and the Bedouins too sometime.

[jameslofton29]

Im not so sure about that. The material they are playing now is incredibly strong and achieves a good balance of songs old and new. Considering they dont have the album out yet, a tour where they are playing 6 of the songs on it isnt bad. Also, as the 2002 press release stated, its important to play some of the oldies.

Also, Stintson is the musical director if GnR apparently. I dont know how much power of choice for the setlist that gives him, but its an thing interesting to think about.

I would agree with you( and Intensity) that for this particular moment in time, the setlist might be ok, even though I would prefer that its different. Without CD out, he has to tour on the past. Playing a few CD songs is good, and does give people who haven't heard that stuff a small taste. But Axl also has to take into consideration that the people first in line to buy tickets to these shows are more interested in CD, not AFD. But like Intensity said, its ok for now. I would hate to see a show this AFD heavy, but the setlist wont derail the tour now. Its when we get closer to fall when it will play a role in how successful the tour is.

[Tomorrows]

Im not so sure about that. The material they are playing now is incredibly strong and achieves a good balance of songs old and new. Considering they dont have the album out yet, a tour where they are playing 6 of the songs on it isnt bad. Also, as the 2002 press release stated, its important to play some of the oldies.

Also, Stintson is the musical director if GnR apparently. I dont know how much power of choice for the setlist that gives him, but its an thing interesting to think about.

I would agree with you( and Intensity) that for this particular moment in time, the setlist might be ok, even though I would prefer that its different. Without CD out, he has to tour on the past. Playing a few CD songs is good, and does give people who haven't heard that stuff a small taste. But Axl also has to take into consideration that the people first in line to buy tickets to these shows are more interested in CD, not AFD. But like Intensity said, its ok for now. I would hate to see a show this AFD heavy, but the setlist wont derail the tour now. Its when we get closer to fall when it will play a role in how successful the tour is.

Yea, being a long time fan and follower of CD a song here and there is never enough. But to be fair, there are plenty of people who go to these concerts that do want the classics. Even when they are touring CD there will be the old stuff - its the nature of having such success in the past. Even artists like Neil Young who put out strong material most albums still do songs they released 30 years ago when touring for them.

I was pretty bummed at first this wasnt going to be a Chin. Dem. tour, but you know what? The players are there, theyre happy, they are doing some new stuff and we have a release window in the near future. Its enough for me for now.

Best time in the last 13 years to be a GnR fan 

I'll be surprised if they don't add at least one or two more illusion tracks to the setlist by the end of Europe, I hope we see Rhiad and the Bedouins too sometime.

Me too, Rhiad rocks   

[.Seal]

Im not so sure about that. The material they are playing now is incredibly strong and achieves a good balance of songs old and new. Considering they dont have the album out yet, a tour where they are playing 6 of the songs on it isnt bad. Also, as the 2002 press release stated, its important to play some of the oldies.

Also, Stintson is the musical director if GnR apparently. I dont know how much power of choice for the setlist that gives him, but its an thing interesting to think about.

I would agree with you( and Intensity) that for this particular moment in time, the setlist might be ok, even though I would prefer that its different. Without CD out, he has to tour on the past. Playing a few CD songs is good, and does give people who haven't heard that stuff a small taste. But Axl also has to take into consideration that the people first in line to buy tickets to these shows are more interested in CD, not AFD. But like Intensity said, its ok for now. I would hate to see a show this AFD heavy, but the setlist wont derail the tour now. Its when we get closer to fall when it will play a role in how successful the tour is.

Yea, being a long time fan and follower of CD a song here and there is never enough. But to be fair, there are plenty of people who go to these concerts that do want the classics. Even when they are touring CD there will be the old stuff - its the nature of having such success in the past. Even artists like Neil Young who put out strong material most albums still do songs they released 30 years ago when touring for them.

I was pretty bummed at first this wasnt going to be a Chin. Dem. tour, but you know what? The players are there, theyre happy, they are doing some new stuff and we have a release window in the near future. Its enough for me for now.

Well of course the hardcore fans spending half of their day here listening alot to the leaks think that they are old but really we are just a small % of the crowd and of course it's starts to seem old for us when we look at the setlist but I don't think Axl is there to please us internet readers who know everything


All it takes is patience,
Just a little patience
Is all you need

 

[Lord Kayoss]

The internet = a million morons who think they are experts and know whats good for other people.

Try about a billion or more. 

[gmGnR]

Im not so sure about that. The material they are playing now is incredibly strong and achieves a good balance of songs old and new. Considering they dont have the album out yet, a tour where they are playing 6 of the songs on it isnt bad. Also, as the 2002 press release stated, its important to play some of the oldies.

Also, Stintson is the musical director if GnR apparently. I dont know how much power of choice for the setlist that gives him, but its an thing interesting to think about.

I would agree with you( and Intensity) that for this particular moment in time, the setlist might be ok, even though I would prefer that its different. Without CD out, he has to tour on the past. Playing a few CD songs is good, and does give people who haven't heard that stuff a small taste. But Axl also has to take into consideration that the people first in line to buy tickets to these shows are more interested in CD, not AFD. But like Intensity said, its ok for now. I would hate to see a show this AFD heavy, but the setlist wont derail the tour now. Its when we get closer to fall when it will play a role in how successful the tour is.

Yea, being a long time fan and follower of CD a song here and there is never enough. But to be fair, there are plenty of people who go to these concerts that do want the classics. Even when they are touring CD there will be the old stuff - its the nature of having such success in the past. Even artists like Neil Young who put out strong material most albums still do songs they released 30 years ago when touring for them.

I was pretty bummed at first this wasnt going to be a Chin. Dem. tour, but you know what? The players are there, theyre happy, they are doing some new stuff and we have a release window in the near future. Its enough for me for now.

Best time in the last 13 years to be a GnR fan?

I'll be surprised if they don't add at least one or two more illusion tracks to the setlist by the end of Europe, I hope we see Rhiad and the Bedouins too sometime.

Me too, Rhiad rocks? ?

My comments, for what they're worth...

More new songs and people will complain that they're not playing enough old materials. And Vice versa..... 

The Blues, Madagascar... are NEW songs, like it or not. They haven't been released yet!  and think about it, even once these arre officially out, are you going to call them old songs? (doesn't matter if they've been ready for 6 years, people outside this board have not heard them) . These songs are going to be new songs for quite a while.

The reaction of the crowd after hearing these new songs at Hammerstein was kinda cold the 1st night but got much warmer by the 4th show (at least from where I was standing)

The solos sucked. Plain and simple. It's been said: you could hear a pin drop, most people found them boring, and to the contrary of many people on the board, I heard several people in the crowd asking where is Slash...

It seems to me that the order of the setlist changes slightly between shows. Granted, the songs are the same, but check out other bands and that what they all do (yes, there are exceptions... so take these for what they are: exceptions, and GNR is not one of them)


Last one: what's the deal with Rhiad and the Bedouins?  I heard this song from the 01.01.01 boot and it sucks big time. Maybe it's just the sound quality (i seriously doubt it) but that song is horrible and it was played then. If people who like it have a new version that rocks, please post it in Appetite for Collection. If not, can someone explain?....

[faldor]

Everyone bitching about the shows, the setlists, the performance of the band, and the amount of solos are people who weren't even at the shows, and a handful of journalists who probably aren't even GnR fans per se to begin with.? Why is it that almost everyone who was at the shows has said they kicked ass?? And why is it that the people bashing the shows are trying to tell those of us who were there that we're wrong about how great the shows were and that the crappy internet streams and boots they've seen tell the whole story?? I haven't seen anyone who is a GnR fan who was at a show say a bad thing about it.? Who gives a damn if they play mostly the same songs every night?? They're playing for the people AT the show, not the people listening to or watching boots of every single show online, most of the people in the crowds at the European shows haven't seen GnR in many years, or ever!? If you were seeing GnR play for the first time in over a decade or for the first time, you wouldn't want to hear a bunch of the old songs?? 4 to 6 new songs is pretty good by the standard of other bands with as many hits in their catalogue as GnR especially since the album hasn't even been released yet

Fantastic post.  I wholeheartedly agree.  I haven't been able to see them yet unfortunately, hopefully when they hit the states in the fall.  I love all I've heard so far, couldn't be happier,  It's a shame so many people are being so negative.  But, to each his own.  We're all allowed our own opinions.