Interesting trend I've noticed

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Everyone bitching about the shows, the setlists, the performance of the band, and the amount of solos are people who weren't even at the shows, and a handful of journalists who probably aren't even GnR fans per se to begin with.  Why is it that almost everyone who was at the shows has said they kicked ass?  And why is it that the people bashing the shows are trying to tell those of us who were there that we're wrong about how great the shows were and that the crappy internet streams and boots they've seen tell the whole story?  I haven't seen anyone who is a GnR fan who was at a show say a bad thing about it.  Who gives a damn if they play mostly the same songs every night?  They're playing for the people AT the show, not the people listening to or watching boots of every single show online, most of the people in the crowds at the European shows haven't seen GnR in many years, or ever!  If you were seeing GnR play for the first time in over a decade or for the first time, you wouldn't want to hear a bunch of the old songs?  4 to 6 new songs is pretty good by the standard of other bands with as many hits in their catalogue as GnR especially since the album hasn't even been released yet

[Tomorrows]

Because its the internet. Moaning is a commodity here.

[kockstar999]

coz its not very exciting for us to sit at home on the internet and read the same reviews every week.. the same shit... same setlist, solos, same shows.... new gnr should be new gnr songs... not new gnr = old gnr songs.

[jazjme]

coz its not very exciting for us to sit at home on the internet and read the same reviews every week.. the same shit... same setlist, solos, same shows.... new gnr should be new gnr songs... not new gnr = old gnr songs.

my advise GET THE FUCK OUTTA THE HOUSE ONCE IN AWHILE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You are the only excuse for that post. DO something about it! 

[axlrosegnr]

Everyone bitching about the shows, the setlists, the performance of the band, and the amount of solos are people who weren't even at the shows, and a handful of journalists who probably aren't even GnR fans per se to begin with.? Why is it that almost everyone who was at the shows has said they kicked ass?? And why is it that the people bashing the shows are trying to tell those of us who were there that we're wrong about how great the shows were and that the crappy internet streams and boots they've seen tell the whole story?? I haven't seen anyone who is a GnR fan who was at a show say a bad thing about it.? Who gives a damn if they play mostly the same songs every night?? They're playing for the people AT the show, not the people listening to or watching boots of every single show online, most of the people in the crowds at the European shows haven't seen GnR in many years, or ever!? If you were seeing GnR play for the first time in over a decade or for the first time, you wouldn't want to hear a bunch of the old songs?? 4 to 6 new songs is pretty good by the standard of other bands with as many hits in their catalogue as GnR especially since the album hasn't even been released yet

I agree with you 100% 

[TAP]

Everyone bitching about the shows, the setlists, the performance of the band, and the amount of solos are people who weren't even at the shows, and a handful of journalists who probably aren't even GnR fans per se to begin with.  Why is it that almost everyone who was at the shows has said they kicked ass? 

This isn't confined to GNR, it happens with every Stones show too - there's always a ton of bitching from people reviewing setlists on the net, but
99% of reviews from people who were actually there are extremely positive. And I've seen it happen with other bands too. It's weird, I guess with the internet and instant access to huge amount of information people start thinking they are closer to the decision making process of bands and are entitled to more say in what happens.

[J?]

The internet = a million morons who think they are experts and know whats good for other people.

[deanaxlrose]

I dont care if they play same setlist at every show.I couldnt wacht em live anyway .get the bootlegs and Watching the videos from this message board for free, is the best thing i could get after all these years .why should i complain about??

[Mr.Bootlegs]

and a handful of journalists who probably aren't even GnR fans per se to begin with

They dont have to be to enjoy a concert

If you were seeing GnR play for the first time in over a decade or for the first time, you wouldn't want to hear a bunch of the old songs?

Hell yes, but only a few like.

4 to 6 new songs is pretty good by the standard of other bands with as many hits in their catalogue as GnR especially since the album hasn't even been released yet

If this was any other band id agree with, but Axl's new band (not gnr) have basically sat on their asses for years whilest people like you like to think that Axl is going for "perfection" on this new album. I'll admit he's probably spent  a good amount of time writing and recording probably over 100 songs by now, but it doesnt take 10 years to do that! And then to turn up at concerts and play anywere from 3-6 'new' songs per night. (When really he's had Maddy, the blues, and CD for about 6 years at least). You think that's acceptable as a hardcore fan?

And one last thing, the reason why everyone you talk to says the concerts were great, is because im guessing most of them are pretty hardcore 'gnr' fans like you. Go and talk to the casual fans, becuase those are the people that will make or break Axl's new band, and he wont be lpaying clubs out of choice anymore if he doesnt fuck up.

[TempleOfRoses]

No concert is gonna suck if your at it.  Whenever you goto a concert, your always going to have fun, especially if the music is heavy which GnR is.  Thats why people at the concerts say they have had such a good time.

[gandra]

i agree with you
i had never bashedAxl and the band,i liked them,but i was sceptic about newgnr
But in budapest i had a better time than i excepted,and only i could said "New guitarists are amazing and finck is real leader and Slash time is gone"

[LittleFly]

[quote
And one last thing, the reason why everyone you talk to says the concerts were great, is because im guessing most of them are pretty hardcore 'gnr' fans like you. Go and talk to the casual fans, becuase those are the people that will make or break Axl's new band, and he wont be lpaying clubs out of choice anymore if he doesnt fuck up.

I was surrounded by people who were NOT hardcore GNR fans at the Hammerstein on the 15th.  They actually were unhappy to hear the new songs because they didnt' know them.  These are the people who go to most of the shows.  They WANT to hear the old music, because the have never heard the Blues or Madagascar, nevermind this year's leaks.  There are far more people out there who have never heard even one bootleg then there are 'hardcore' GNR fans.

And they all were blown away by the show afterwards and loved it.

[gandra]

who cares for setlist,when you hear aoetite and illusions stuff you'll gona be crazy!!!
After "you know where you are"  iwas singing and jumping all the shows!!!
Old stuff gave me the bestparty in my life

[dave-gnfnr2k]

and a handful of journalists who probably aren't even GnR fans per se to begin with

They dont have to be to enjoy a concert

If you were seeing GnR play for the first time in over a decade or for the first time, you wouldn't want to hear a bunch of the old songs?

Hell yes, but only a few like.

4 to 6 new songs is pretty good by the standard of other bands with as many hits in their catalogue as GnR especially since the album hasn't even been released yet

If this was any other band id agree with, but Axl's new band (not gnr) have basically sat on their asses for years whilest people like you like to think that Axl is going for "perfection" on this new album. I'll admit he's probably spent? a good amount of time writing and recording probably over 100 songs by now, but it doesnt take 10 years to do that! And then to turn up at concerts and play anywere from 3-6 'new' songs per night. (When really he's had Maddy, the blues, and CD for about 6 years at least). You think that's acceptable as a hardcore fan?

And one last thing, the reason why everyone you talk to says the concerts were great, is because im guessing most of them are pretty hardcore 'gnr' fans like you. Go and talk to the casual fans, becuase those are the people that will make or break Axl's new band, and he wont be lpaying clubs out of choice anymore if he doesnt fuck up.

New gnr could play 15 new song and 5 old and people would bitch that they dont play enough old songs 

[BrokenGlass]

This is a great thread and I agree with ShotgunBlues1978 completely.

[RoCoKiN]

People have to remember that they are doing a tour without an album so ofcourse they are gonna play the old stuff so they can save most of the new stuff for when the album comes out...also, people are going to have to get used to the new line-up so when the album comes out people are not wondering who are those guys playing with Axl.  Make sense...it does to me.

[JennaSide]

The internet = a million morons who think they are experts and know whats good for other people.

Yep, that's about right.

When the band comes through their neck of the woods, they'll be the first ones to be going on and on about how great the show was, too. Pay them no mind.

[BKinNYC]

I went to three shows in NYC.  I loved every single one of them, and HATED the solos at every single one of them, INCLUDING the "Beautiful" solo.  I've said this a million times:  For those people who said the solos "kicked ass," they have a short memory.  You can hear a pin drop in the crowd, and they completely stop the momentum of the show. 

Other than that, when Axl is out there singin', I (and everyone else I was with) thought the shows were phenomenal, regardless of the setlist.

People - Just quit trying to convince yourselves that people "love" these solos.  They don't.  Look around next time you're at the concert.

(Oh - and save the "But Axl needs to take a break, that's what they're for."  Understood.  That doesn't mean that it's enjoyable.

[Skeletor]

If you were seeing GnR play for the first time in over a decade or for the first time, you wouldn't want to hear a bunch of the old songs?

Exactly. When I get to see GNR in July, I couldn't care less about the setlist. I'm just glad to see this amazing band, and enjoy whatever songs they play.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

I went to three shows in NYC.  I loved every single one of them, and HATED the solos at every single one of them, INCLUDING the "Beautiful" solo.  I've said this a million times:  For those people who said the solos "kicked ass," they have a short memory.  You can hear a pin drop in the crowd, and they completely stop the momentum of the show. 

Other than that, when Axl is out there singin', I (and everyone else I was with) thought the shows were phenomenal, regardless of the setlist.

People - Just quit trying to convince yourselves that people "love" these solos.  They don't.  Look around next time you're at the concert.

(Oh - and save the "But Axl needs to take a break, that's what they're for."  Understood.  That doesn't mean that it's enjoyable.

I don't think anyone is saying that the crowd "loved" the solos, but I've noticed that the solos are a bigger deal to the bashers who weren't even there and are whining about setlists and everything else.  At least at the Hammerstein shows there was no drum solo 

At the 2002 shows, the Buckethead solo rocked and the crowd enjoyed it, the new solos aren't as good but let me put it this way, I have no problem with the solos if GnR is going to play for 2 and a half hours every night like they've been doing