Ron Thal's guitar

[jimmythegent]

This board is starting to suck more and more everyday because it's beginning to be overrun with fucking cunts like this douche bag.? Is there seriously one person with 100 different log in names that post the same shit over and over?? I've never seen anything like it before.? Ever since the NYC show, people that haven't listened to GNR for 10 years and didn't realize Slash wasn't in the band anymore, have to come on here and start the dumbest fucking topics and post the dumbest fucking posts in the history of HTGTH.? I never realized how many idiot fans GNR had until these past couple weeks.

same here, it's saddening. fucking idiots.

and just to back up some of what has been said in this thread by bumblefoot supporters, here's a list of the 100 best rock/metal guitarists in the world, both past and present. guess who tops it?

1. Ron Thal - Bumblefoot, Solo
? 2. Paul Gilbert - Racer X, Mr. Big, Solo
? 3. Steve Vai - Solo, David Lee Roth, Whitesnake
? 4. Marty Friedman - Cacophony, Megadeth, Solo
? 5. Steve Morse - Deep Purple, Dixie Dregs, Steve Morse Band
? 6. Buckethead - Solo, Guns N Roses, Praxis, C2B3
? 7. Mattias IA Eklundh - Freak Kitchen
? 8. Randy Rhoads - Quiet Riot, Ozzy
? 9. Michael Romeo - Symphony X, Solo
10. Yngwie Malmsteen - Steeler, Rising Force, Solo
11. Greg Howe - Planet X, Solo
12. John Petrucci - Dream Theater, Liquid Tension Exp.
13. Tony MacAlpine - Solo, M.A.R.S., Planet X, Ring Of Fire
14. Michael Angelo Batio - Nitro, Solo
15. Stephan Forte - Adagio, Solo
16. Vinnie Moore - Alice Cooper, Solo
17. Ritchie Blackmore - Deep Purple, Rainbow
18. Nuno Bettencourt - Extreme, Mourning Widows, Solo
19. Chris Poland - Megadeth, OHM
20. Fredrik Thordendal - Meshuggah
21. Jeff Loomis - Nevermore
22. Alex Skolnik - Testament
23. Joe Satriani - Solo
24. Ritchie Kotzen - Solo, Poison, Mr. Big
25. Al Pitrelli - Trans-Siberian Orchestra, Savatage, Megadeth
26. Alex Pareja - The Number Twelve Looks Like You
27. Steve Stevens - Billy Idol, Atomic Playboys, Solo
28. Akira Takasaki - Lazy, Loudness, Ji-Zo, Solo
29. George Lynch - Dokken, Lynch Mob, Solo
30. Rob Schaffer - Into the Moat
31. Jason Becker - Cacophony, David Lee Roth, Solo
32. Neal Schon - Beck, Santana, Journey, Solo, Soul Sirkus
33. Luca Turilli - Rhapsody, Solo
34. Vito Bratta - White Lion
35. Michael Schenker - MSG, Scorpions, Contraband, Solo
36. Michael Amott - Arch Enemy, Carcass
37. Jesper Str?mblad - In Flames
38. Stevie Blaze - Lillian Axe, Angel, Near Life Experience
39. Gary Hoey - Solo, Vinnie
40. Adrian Smith - Iron Maiden
41. Dimebag Darrell - Pantera
42. Slash - Guns N Roses, Snake Pit, Velvet Revolver
43. Doug Aldrich - House Of Lords, Dio, Whitesnake
44. Chris Impellitteri - Impellitteri
45. Timo Tolkki - Stratovarius
46. Alexi 'Wildchild' Laiho - Children of Bodom
47. Andy La Roque - King Diamond, Death
48. Christopher Amott - Arch Enemy
49. Nick Hipa - As I Lay Dying
50. Roy Z - Bruce Dickinson
 51. Uli Jon Roth - Scorpions, Solo
52. Gary Moore - Thin Lizzy, Colosseum II, Skid Row, Solo
53. Eddie Van Halen - Van Halen
54. Chuck Schuldiner - Death
55. Bill Steer - Carcass, Napalm Death
56. Jim Matheos - Fates Warning
57. Dave Mustaine - Megadeth
58. Tony Iommi - Black Sabbath
59. Michael Wilton - Queensryche
60. Dave Murray - Iron Maiden
61. Larry Lalonde - Primus
62. Andy Timmons - Danger Danger, Solo
63. Chris Degarmo - Queensryche, Jerry Cantrell
64. Phil Sgrosso - As I Lay Dying
65. Reb Beach - Winger, Dokken, Whitesnake, Solo
66. Vernon Reid - Living Colour, Solo
67. Vivian Cambell - Dio, Def Leppard
68. Kirk Hammet - Metallica
69. Zakk Wylde - Ozzy, Pride & Glory, B.L.S., Solo
70. Mikael Akerfeldt - Opeth
71. Daron Malakian - System of a Down
72. Kerry King - Slayer
73. Hary Cody - Shotgun Messiah, Sessions
74. John Sykes - Thin Lizzy, Whitesnake, Blue Murder, Solo
75. Ty Tabor - Kings X
76. Mark "Duane" Morton - Lamb of God, Burn the Preist
77. Thomas Youngblood - Kamelot
78. Jake E. Lee - Ratt, Cutting Crew, Ozzy, Badlands, Solo
79. Rusty Cooley - Solo
80. Jeff Hanneman - Slayer
81. Herman Li - DragonForce
82. Mick Thomson - Slipknot
83. Brian Eschbach - Black Dahlia Murder
84. John Norum - Europe, Dokken, Don Dokken
85. Glen Tipton - Judas Priest
86. Jon Lively - Warlock, Dokken
87. Tak Matsumoto - TMG
88. KK Downing - Judas Priest
89. Jim Root - Slipknot
90. Ronnie Montrose - Montrose
91. Wolf Hoffman - Accept, Solo
92. Sam Totman - Dragon Force, Shadow Warriors
93. Dave Meniketti - Y & T
94. Billy Duffy - The Cult
95. Dan Huff - Giant, Sessions
96. Tom Morello - RATM, Audioslave
97. Matthias Jabs - Scorpions
98. Janick Gerrs - Iron Maiden
99. John Christ - Danzig
100.Dan Spitz - Anthrax

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_guitar-metal.html

1. Ron Thal - Bumblefoot, Solo
6. Buckethead - Solo, Guns N Roses, Praxis, C2B3
42. Slash - Guns N Roses, Snake Pit, Velvet Revolver

i believe my point has been made.

may I ask where the godfather of modern guitar playing, one Mr Jimi Hendrix is on that list of yours?

that list is a complete crock

Name one Ron Thal composition that is an absolute genre classic in the vein of SCOM? Throw in one from Buckethead while you're at it? Infact, name one song theyve produced that is as famous as the least famous Slash song, say an obscurity like Bad Apples?

That list is from a guitar magazine and is aimed at technical guitar virtuosos

Slash has made more impact on popular guitar and guitar players than most of that list combined, not to mention his huge impact on popular music/culture

[bumblerocks]

i believe my point has been made.

It has?  What makes that list any more legitimate than one in which Slash is first?

slash doesn't come first on any list with a shred of credibility.

That could be the most ridiculous ranking of guitarists that I have ever seen. Laughable. Utterly laughable.

why, because you only like people who never shred?
sorry to disappoint you, but ron and bucket are recognized as two of the top ten guitar players in the world by most people who know what they are talking about.

[25]

The blues based rockers like Jimi Hendrix, Jimmy Page, Zakk Wylde, SLASH and Angus Young to name a few. These players are rock n roll legends for a reason and they don't rely on cheesy gimmicks like KFC buckets and cartoon guitars with lil flapping wings to make a name for themselves.

Yeah,  you'd never find any of those players using cheesy gimmicks like playing guitar with their teeth or setting it on fire, using violin bows or double necks, or covering their guitar in beer-bottle tops or dressing in school uniforms or WEARING A FREAKING TOP HAT ON STAGE. Good call, dude.

[bumblerocks]

why do people always talk about "blues based" players as if bumblefoot and buckethead weren't capable of that? the difference between them and alot of other guitar players is that they are capable of playing so many different styles, which puts them leagues ahead of alot of other players on that list and anyone denying their talents simply doesn't know much about guitar playing.

[Booker Floyd]

It has?  What makes that list any more legitimate than one in which Slash is first?

What distinguishes "Digital Dream Door" as credible? 

Also, what other guitarist list would you consider credible?

[bumblerocks]

It has?? What makes that list any more legitimate than one in which Slash is first?

What distinguishes "Digital Dream Door" as credible??

Also, what other guitarist list would you consider credible?

don't you dare to mis-quote me, change your post and i'll reply. i take offense to that.

[killingvector]

i believe my point has been made.

It has?  What makes that list any more legitimate than one in which Slash is first?

slash doesn't come first on any list with a shred of credibility.

That could be the most ridiculous ranking of guitarists that I have ever seen. Laughable. Utterly laughable.

why, because you only like people who never shred?
sorry to disappoint you, but ron and bucket are recognized as two of the top ten guitar players in the world by most people who know what they are talking about.

Why?

Well,

for example, Zakk Wylde at 69, Eddie Van Halen at 53, Slash and Dimebag at 41 and 42......

Obviously there is a bias toward shredders in this list.

Booker is right on, what makes this list more credible than any other. Frankly, I have a legitimate objection to more than a few of the selections.

btw, who are these people who know what they are talking about? Your post is ill defined.

[bumblerocks]

after reading your posts on this board for quite some time, the only ones who seem to have a bias towards shredders is you and nesquick.

[Booker Floyd]

don't you dare to mis-quote me, change your post and i'll reply. i take offense to that.

The indignation!

slash doesn't come first on any list with a shred of credibility.

Now...

What distinguishes "Digital Dream Door" as credible?

Also, what other guitarist list would you consider credible?

[killingvector]

after reading your posts on this board for quite some time, the only ones who seem to have a bias towards shredders is you and nesquick.

I am a huge Buckethead fan. What can I say? But I cannot stand here and argue that  Thal deserves to be no. 1 on that list. I just don't believe it.

[veritas55]

oh yeah, that list is real authoritative.
I mean everyone knows that Steve Stevens is a better guitarist than Michael Schenker. 
give me a fucking break.

[estranged.1098]

...he plays with emotion unlike Buckethead.

...who knows what goes on behind the mask 

Brain looks really fat in that picture.

[estranged.1098]

This board is starting to suck more and more everyday because it's beginning to be overrun with fucking cunts like this douche bag.  Is there seriously one person with 100 different log in names that post the same shit over and over?? I've never seen anything like it before.  Ever since the NYC show, people that haven't listened to GNR for 10 years and didn't realize Slash wasn't in the band anymore, have to come on here and start the dumbest fucking topics and post the dumbest fucking posts in the history of HTGTH.  I never realized how many idiot fans GNR had until these past couple weeks.

That's sadly too true.

[McDuff]

I think all of this arguing over  guitar players is fucking stupid.I liked Buckethead,I like Slash,and alot of other guitar players.None of the guitar players that are in GN'R or were in GN'R are the same,they all have their own styles and all are great,including Ron,I saw the show online and I thought it was really good. 

[joneslloyd]

...he plays with emotion unlike Buckethead.

...who knows what goes on behind the mask 

Brain looks really fat in that picture.

You're right.

That's because it's Pinchface, not Brain

Pinchface rocks though. If you've heard "Want Some Slaw?" by Buckethead, when they perform it live, that guy does the "Bucket is a psycho" bit.

[Saul Isobel]

and just to back up some of what has been said in this thread by bumblefoot supporters, here's a list of the 100 best rock/metal guitarists in the world, both past and present. guess who tops it?

1. Ron Thal - Bumblefoot, Solo
INSERT METAL SHREDDERS HERE.....
 
i believe my point has been made.

may I ask where the godfather of modern guitar playing, one Mr Jimi Hendrix is on that list of yours?

that list is a complete crock

LMFAO  that list is the worst i've EVER seen! The fact that Hendrix, Jimmy Page and Brian May aren't even on it tells you all you need to know. Not too mention Eddie Van Halen is at 53 while VITO BRATTA, STEVIE BLAZE and CHRIS POLAND amongst many other never-gonna-bes are above him! Oh fuck - too funny!!! YES you made your point alright - thanks for that!!? ? ?

[grover]

I know many people are up in arms about the "gimmicks" from the guitarists, such as buckethead and now Bumblefoot, but in all honesty, if people say that this does not fit GNR, they are out to lunch.  GnR has been doing this since the start.

First off was Slash.  Come on, who didn't immediately get drawn to the TOPHAT in the SCOM video?  When everyone first hooked onto GnR, everyone was saying ". . . and their guitarist is named SLASH, and he wears a TOPHAT!  How weird is that?"

Then, in the UYI era, who thought it was completely normal when Axl started coming out on stage in a FREAKING KILT?  I mean, cmon, how normal was that?

I know it is different, but I think the guitar (as well as the chicken bucket, even tho I was never sold on that one) show that they actually have PERSONALITY!!!!!  I'm completely cool with it.

[bumblerocks]

I know many people are up in arms about the "gimmicks" from the guitarists, such as buckethead and now Bumblefoot, but in all honesty, if people say that this does not fit GNR, they are out to lunch.? GnR has been doing this since the start.

First off was Slash.? Come on, who didn't immediately get drawn to the TOPHAT in the SCOM video?? When everyone first hooked onto GnR, everyone was saying ". . . and their guitarist is named SLASH, and he wears a TOPHAT!? How weird is that?"

Then, in the UYI era, who thought it was completely normal when Axl started coming out on stage in a FREAKING KILT?? I mean, cmon, how normal was that?

I know it is different, but I think the guitar (as well as the chicken bucket, even tho I was never sold on that one) show that they actually have PERSONALITY!!!!!? I'm completely cool with it.

good point, i agree.
just because slash was in the band before, these losers refuse to accept anyone else, no matter how good they are, and it makes me sick.

[Booker Floyd]

good point, i agree.
just because slash was in the band before, these losers refuse to accept anyone else, no matter how good they are, and it makes me sick.

Are you going to avoid my post?

[TheMole]

I know many people are up in arms about the "gimmicks" from the guitarists, such as buckethead and now Bumblefoot, but in all honesty, if people say that this does not fit GNR, they are out to lunch.  GnR has been doing this since the start.

First off was Slash.  Come on, who didn't immediately get drawn to the TOPHAT in the SCOM video?  When everyone first hooked onto GnR, everyone was saying ". . . and their guitarist is named SLASH, and he wears a TOPHAT!  How weird is that?"

Then, in the UYI era, who thought it was completely normal when Axl started coming out on stage in a FREAKING KILT?  I mean, cmon, how normal was that?

I know it is different, but I think the guitar (as well as the chicken bucket, even tho I was never sold on that one) show that they actually have PERSONALITY!!!!!  I'm completely cool with it.

Although I'm not too disturbed by the imagery myself, but I guess it has something to do with looking as a band as opposed to looking as a bunch of guys thrown together. 2002 was really bad in that respect, they all just seemed to not fit together at all. Bucket seemed to come from a completely different planet than Fink did, and they both looked pretty alien compared to the rest of the band. Axl looked different altogether.

Slash looked special, but certainly not out of place in the band at the time. Just like he doesn't look out of place in VR either.

Bucket and Fink did look out of place: Bucket and Fink because of their outrageous looks. Bumble still does because he looks like he doesn't take anything seriously. The bumbleguitar doesn't fit in with the rest of the imagery in the band, because it looks funny, almost like a joke. You can't project a band image if you don't look like you came from the same place, grew up in the same circumstances. Bucket looked like a character from a horror flick, Fink looked goth, and bumble looks like he's an average suburbian Joe (which he probably is, and thats fine... he just doesn't blend in that well at the moment).

We should give him some time, as I'm sure he'll change, but that shouldn't stop people from venting their feelings about his looks and the looks of his novelty guitar.

You see, a gimmick is fine, as long as your gimmick doesn't set you apart from the rest of the band.