Which Nightrain do you prefer? Slash/Buckethead/Bumblefoot?

[mrlee]

how bout someone get a youtube link of chicago 92?

[jimmythegent]

Slash's classic outro solo on Nightrain is the benchmark for which these other 2 hired replacement guys are to be judged - got it?

So this thread should be about who has done the best job of replicating and/or replacing Slashs work - it is absolutley a no-brainer that this solo, along with every other GNR solo to date is Slashs, and these guys can reinterpret it the best they can and thats all they can hope to achieve here.

Its like asking the question of whose version of Vivaldis Four seasons is better and then questioning whether or not the said interpretation beats the composition itself. Priceless stuff

So with that considered, BH to me has it all over BBF - in every area

[leatherebel]

Bucket's version was the best by far. But what's the point, we have Bumble now and have to live with that....

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Slash's classic outro solo on Nightrain is the benchmark for which these other 2 hired replacement guys are to be judged - got it?

So this thread should be about who has done the best job of replicating and/or replacing Slashs work - it is absolutley a no-brainer that this solo, along with every other GNR solo to date is Slashs, and these guys can reinterpret it the best they can and thats all they can hope to achieve here.

Its like asking the question of whose version of Vivaldis Four seasons is better and then questioning whether or not the said interpretation beats the composition itself. Priceless stuff

So with that considered, BH to me has it all over BBF - in every area

So you'd happily admit that the guitar work on the original Knockin On Heaven's Door are superior to Slash's?

Why's it such a big deal?  Nobody has a problem saying that the guitars on KOHD are better in the GnR version than the Bob Dylan version.  But it's blasphemy to think that Buckethead's solo on Nightrain is better than Slash's 

[bumblerocks]

until yesterday i thought the version with buckethead on the solo was the best one ever but after hearing ron rip through it for several minutes on the live stream last night, my opinion has changed! i've said it before and i'll say it again, ron is a guitar genius and will take gnr to new heights!

[The Dog]

Honestly, who cares whos is better...they ALL rock in their own way.  All three guys have their own styles and put their own twists on it.  I enjoyed all of them and it would be really hard to say if one was better then any other. 

[Naupis]

So you'd happily admit that the guitars on the original Knockin On Heaven's Door are superior to Slash's?

The difference is GNR were covering and redoing a song that wasn't theirs. The current incarnation of GNR is supposed to be GNR and not a cover band, so they should play the songs the way they are supposed to be played. Doing otherwise makes them a good cover band with a great lead singer, and that is not what Axl wants us to believe......at least I think so.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

So you'd happily admit that the guitars on the original Knockin On Heaven's Door are superior to Slash's?

The difference is GNR were covering and redoing a song that wasn't theirs. The current incarnation of GNR is supposed to be GNR and not a cover band, so they should play the songs the way they are supposed to be played. Doing otherwise makes them a good cover band with a great lead singer, and that is not what Axl wants us to believe......at least I think so.

You're talking semantics, and the circumstances a little different, but in truth that when it comes down to it there's really no difference.  On KOHD, Slash played guitar on a song he didn't write but made them sound better than the guitar on the original.  On Nightrain, Buckethead played guitar on a song he didn't write and in my opinion at least made them better than the original

It seems a little silly to say that it's okay to say Slash's guitars are better on KOHD but not that Buckethead played Slash's parts better on Nightrain, simply because Buckethead replaced Slash in GNR while KOHD was a cover song

[Naupis]

On Nightrain, Buckethead played guitar on a song he didn't write and in my opinion at least made them better than the original

But isn't that in effect "covering" the song?

[Funral]

...Bucket's shredding seems to have more melody to me....

I like the Pittsburgh 2002 version of Nightrain outro solo, and Boston 2002 version of KOHD that Bucket did! 





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[ShotgunBlues1978]

On Nightrain, Buckethead played guitar on a song he didn't write and in my opinion at least made them better than the original

But isn't that in effect "covering" the song?

Does it really matter what terms you use to describe it?  Buckethead played on a song that Slash wrote and put a totally different spin on it, Buckethead's outro sounds almost nothing like Slash's.  I don't really care to discuss semantics.  Is it a cover?  Is it not?  Who cares?  I think Buckethead's outro sounds better than Slash's

[ARC]

1) Slash






2) Buckethead
3) Bumblefoot

[veritas55]

whiteshark's very fair critique of the 3 guitarists is SPOT on.  Buckethead is quite simply superb in BOTH feel and melody (see: Colma) as well as raw technique (see: all his other catalog), not to mention inventiveness.   Again, all respect to Ron, who is still very good and genuine nice guy -- but Buckethead's guitar are very hard to match up to.  I agree that Buckethead may not have been a better "fit" for GnR, but, man, his guitar playing could have brought the new GnR to whole different level.  If Axl has any brains left, he will leave Buckethead's track intact.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

The current incarnation of GNR is supposed to be GNR and not a cover band, so they should play the songs the way they are supposed to be played. Doing otherwise makes them a good cover band with a great lead singer, and that is not what Axl wants us to believe......at least I think so.

That shouldn't make a difference in the way you perceive them.  No matter what, this version of GnR is going to be playing old songs that no one except Axl had a hand in creating in their original form.  I don't see how playing note for note the way the old songs originally sounded or putting a new spin on them should change your opinion on whether they're a "cover" band or not.  It doesn't really relate to the discussion we're having here anyway.  Either you think Slash's outro is better or you think Buckethead's is better, or you think Ron Thal's is better.  The side discussion about semantics, is Buckethead covering a song or isn't he, and is this or isn't this GnR isn't really related to the topic of this threat 

[Top-Hatted One]

I'm going to that just because SylvesterStallone has asked me in a very polite way to do it!
First I want you to know that my coments are going to be as objetive as i can, so i don't going to say what's the better to me.

1) Slash: his first solo is very good, he's demostrating here his mastery playing original pentatonic patterns. He knows a lot of left hand positions to play the minor pentatonic scale.
The outro solo: once again, he's a master of Hard Rock blues playing. He is the lord of the pentatonic world!
Very good phrasing in two important part of the solo (Slash has better left hand technique that right hand technique).
Very intelligent use of hard picking in the last bars of the solo (like Angus Young). This aspect is very overlooked in rock guitar, so thanks, Slash!

2) Buckethead: the first solo (the one he plays after the one Izzy used to play) is played note per note. He even plays the last five notes before the slide part! I think he used the tabbook to learn it or he put a lot of interest to play good this solo (remember, this solo is not an improvisation, so it's need to be played as close to the oreiginal as possible). He's demostrating here that he's very profesional.
The outro solo is an excelent example of how to improvise lead guitar in a personal way. This solo has born to be improvisated but not in a totally free way (Slash and Buckethead allways improvisated this outro solo but they allways kept intact the principals licks). He plays here melodic patterns that you can find in all his discography (specially in Colma). He's phrasing here is SUPERB, he changes his left hand position in a very fluid way. This SOLO is AWESOME! You can tell the Randy Rhoads influence here! He knowledge of scale position is brilliant! It's evident he has studied hard the fretboard!

3) Ron Thal: He's a dissapointment to me. This guy has lot of technique but his solos are boring.
The first solo: he still doesn't know how to play this one. He improvised a lot and he is lost.
The outro solo: a lot of notes played up and down the fretboard with no melodic sense. He plays scales like when a person is practicing at home. He plays cliche all the time.
I think he's going to improve because Ron Thal is a very talented guy, he's got tons of guitar knowledge.

Amen! I have no problem with people liking Bucket's more because it's brilliant but anyone who put Bumble ahead of Slash clearly has something against the guy. Bumble's Nov Rain solo was great but  the rest is extremely boring. he NEEDS to be more melodic, especially on Nightrain!

[Top-Hatted One]

Buckethead's work in 2002 was better than in RIR3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QWK99RS18JQ&search=Buckethead%20nightrain

[RageNirvanaNIN]

slash made them , and rules them. He will always be to me the best guitarist GNR could've ever had. From what i heard Bumblefoot seems to know what FEELING is , and BH was never really hittin it for me. Its really no question that UYI tour outro on slash behalf is the best , then its BH then the man with the bucket!

[bumblerocks]

On Nightrain, Buckethead played guitar on a song he didn't write and in my opinion at least made them better than the original

But isn't that in effect "covering" the song?

bucket was in the band, it's not a cover, get over yourself.

[da_pope]

Slash Wrote It and wrote it fucking well!
Bucket did an awesome job doin' his own thing with it.
Ron also did his own thing with it and well... I like Ron more then bucket but his solo's need more melody. Like look at the Don't Cry thing. Thats probably the coolest thing I've seen in this new GN'R era.

Oh... and I'd put Slash's outro on Nightrain on the UYI dvd's above everything.
That is by far the best thing I've ever heard. Ever. If you have the dvd's go watch it and tell me Bucket's is better. It's not.

[chineseblues]

Slash Wrote It and wrote it fucking well!
Bucket did an awesome job doin' his own thing with it.
Ron also did his own thing with it and well... I like Ron more then bucket but his solo's need more melody. Like look at the Don't Cry thing. Thats probably the coolest thing I've seen in this new GN'R era.

Oh... and I'd put Slash's outro on Nightrain on the UYI dvd's above everything.
That is by far the best thing I've ever heard. Ever. If you have the dvd's go watch it and tell me Bucket's is better. It's not.

Buckets is a million times better. Ive seen enough bootlegs of the UYI tour to know.