Do Bumblefoot and Fortus render Finck obsolete for GnR?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

i miss BH


i almost dont even miss Slash anymore, seems like forever ago......

but i do miss BH.....

and robin is a pitch nightmare....he's flat and sharp, rarely on-pitch....but he does look cool, and must be doing something right (nin/gnr) plus, maybe his talent lies in composition (better??? is this true?? if so, impressive)

H
finck was pretty much perfect tonight
what are you talking about?

Finck was Finck tonight; he noodled around on the November Rain & Blues solos again both of which sound very choppy, for example. Stage presence wise, he was amazing and fun to watch. I have to admit he shines on the new songs.

I thought finck nailed the nov rain solo. I still think some of you forgot how slash played those solos live.

[Jim Bob]

i miss BH


i almost dont even miss Slash anymore, seems like forever ago......

but i do miss BH.....

and robin is a pitch nightmare....he's flat and sharp, rarely on-pitch....but he does look cool, and must be doing something right (nin/gnr) plus, maybe his talent lies in composition (better??? is this true?? if so, impressive)

H
finck was pretty much perfect tonight
what are you talking about?

Finck was Finck tonight; he noodled around on the November Rain & Blues solos again both of which sound very choppy, for example. Stage presence wise, he was amazing and fun to watch. I have to admit he shines on the new songs.

I thought finck nailed the nov rain solo. I still think some of you forgot how slash played those solos live.

Nov Rain he did awesome on!   I dont want him to play it just like Slash used to play it.  He puts a cool spin on it, I'm sure he could easily just replicate the way it was recorded, but what for?   And the Blues solo was awesome too, too bad most of the show you really could not hear Finck's guitar that well.   

[W 23 AXL II]

i miss BH


i almost dont even miss Slash anymore, seems like forever ago......

but i do miss BH.....

and robin is a pitch nightmare....he's flat and sharp, rarely on-pitch....but he does look cool, and must be doing something right (nin/gnr) plus, maybe his talent lies in composition (better??? is this true?? if so, impressive)

H
finck was pretty much perfect tonight
what are you talking about?

Finck was Finck tonight; he noodled around on the November Rain & Blues solos again both of which sound very choppy, for example. Stage presence wise, he was amazing and fun to watch. I have to admit he shines on the new songs.

I thought finck nailed the nov rain solo. I still think some of you forgot how slash played those solos live.

Nov Rain he did awesome on!? ?I dont want him to play it just like Slash used to play it.? He puts a cool spin on it, I'm sure he could easily just replicate the way it was recorded, but what for?? ?And the Blues solo was awesome too, too bad most of the show you really could not hear Finck's guitar that well.? ?

he cannot play them like they were recorded, he would if he could

[dave-gnfnr2k]

i miss BH


i almost dont even miss Slash anymore, seems like forever ago......

but i do miss BH.....

and robin is a pitch nightmare....he's flat and sharp, rarely on-pitch....but he does look cool, and must be doing something right (nin/gnr) plus, maybe his talent lies in composition (better??? is this true?? if so, impressive)

H
finck was pretty much perfect tonight
what are you talking about?

Finck was Finck tonight; he noodled around on the November Rain & Blues solos again both of which sound very choppy, for example. Stage presence wise, he was amazing and fun to watch. I have to admit he shines on the new songs.

I thought finck nailed the nov rain solo. I still think some of you forgot how slash played those solos live.

Nov Rain he did awesome on!? ?I dont want him to play it just like Slash used to play it.? He puts a cool spin on it, I'm sure he could easily just replicate the way it was recorded, but what for?? ?And the Blues solo was awesome too, too bad most of the show you really could not hear Finck's guitar that well.? ?

he cannot play them like they were recorded, he would if he could

Slash could not either. here is the same solo fincked played tonight but its slash on this clip.
How is this any differnt than finck plays it?

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=C9AFDCF622EF6A26

[W 23 AXL II]

that sounds edited, and not like slash.....if it is slash, and not edited, then that was a bad night for slash, he didnt sound like that frequently, at all...

whereas....

robin flubs on every single solo, riff etc. etc. but so do i.....i think he's cool, the stage dive opening night in the city, then going back for a second stage dive...that was awesome, and NOT SLASH-LIKE at all..which is cool! i want this band to succeed...

[SylvesterStallone]

Slash was either strung out, drunk or both during the length of the UYI tour. You always bring up this same example Dave. A sober Slash is an entirely different matter. He has his sloppy nights but as anyone who has heard the VR boots can say, for the majority of the VR shows he nails the solos.

Finck is sober and can't get it together.

Anyway the point is, I think it's a crime that Fortus is relegated to being rhythm, he's better than Finck imho and certainly sounds better at the very least. Bumblefoot leaves Finck in the dust. One minute he shreds with unbelievable speed in Nightrain and then he plays a soulful Don't Cry....neither of which Finck is capable of.

I think Axl is being overtly generous when he says "better" is a finck song, but okay if we take that as 100% truth, maybe he ought to take either a rhythm spot or not be on tour. Bumble and Fortus are plenty capable of doing the old and new songs justice.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

 I have tons of bootlegs where slashs the nov rain solos just like finck always does and dont give me that shit he was strung out, slash always played it that way and rarely played it like it was on the album

here is another example
i just grabbed any random gnr live cd
this is from 1991
you gonna claim slash was strung out for this too?

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=D03FDA15307CB4F9

[Jim Bob]

Sly, I do think its cool you've found dudes in the group you can get into, it'll make the band more enjoyable 

Fortus and Thal are both very talented guitarists, but seeing all three of them together, I have to give the edge to Robin.   Some of those solos he hits perfectly on the old stuf, like Mr. Brownstone and Sweet Child of Mine, and he really really shines on the new stuff like Better and IRS (which the sound mix did absolutely no justice to, you couldn't even hear Robin most of the time).   Robin is perfect in this band, him and Richard together are my favorite guitar duo in Guns, from any era. 

[SylvesterStallone]

I have tons of bootlegs where slashs the nov rain solos just like finck always does and dont give me that shit he was strung out, slash always played it that way and rarely played it like it was on the album

Umm...but he was strung out and drunk off his ass...the words of Izzy Stradlin and Axl Rose(your god). Rarely played it like it was on the album? Did you watch the 92 mtv music awards? Exactly like the album version. Live era? Even better than the album version. Tokyo 92...pretty damn close. The ritz 91? Pretty freakin close.

[SylvesterStallone]

I have tons of bootlegs where slashs the nov rain solos just like finck always does and dont give me that shit he was strung out, slash always played it that way and rarely played it like it was on the album

here is another example
i just grabbed any random gnr live cd
this is from 1991
you gonna claim slash was strung out for this too?

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=D03FDA15307CB4F9

Well if it was 1991, yes he was probably hammered out of his gourd.

But yeah that was pretty bad....but hey...we all have our off nights....

[Poof!]

I've always claimed, in my posts, that people seem to forget Slash's own inability to play the solos he wrote. I love Slash as much as the next guy, but Finck is being unfairly compared to Slash's entire body of work with GN'R, and I think that that will only come to an end when CD is released.

[SylvesterStallone]

Sly, I do think its cool you've found dudes in the group you can get into, it'll make the band more enjoyable 

Fortus and Thal are both very talented guitarists, but seeing all three of them together, I have to give the edge to Robin.   Some of those solos he hits perfectly on the old stuf, like Mr. Brownstone and Sweet Child of Mine, and he really really shines on the new stuff like Better and IRS (which the sound mix did absolutely no justice to, you couldn't even hear Robin most of the time).   Robin is perfect in this band, him and Richard together are my favorite guitar duo in Guns, from any era. 

I believed in the 2002 band because of Buckethead. i have no problems accepting the past is the past as long as the new players are up to the level of the members they are replacing. Bumble proved that to me tonight and I don't think Buckethead is indispensable anymore.

The sound and mixing was atrocious, I'll give you that....I hope some soundboard recordings are released....from what people at the show are saying....the sound and guitars were effing great....

[Minneapolisnewsman]

I agree? Fortus and Bumblefoot is all we need as far as playing live goes. I think Finck is a better songwriter perhaps than both those guys.? ?Fortus absolutely kicks ass ,? he would have fit in perfectly? in the old band Along Slash.

How and the heck do you know Finck is a better songwriter? ?Robin, has basically "0" published works, where he is credited as writer. I just want to point out, that you are again trying to stir trouble, and as usual, everyone else has the last laugh because of the retarded logic you were trying to use so you could come across as knowledgeable. ? With that said, Robin is my favorite new member next to The General. ?I think everyone of the guy's in the band are talented in their own right. ?

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I have tons of bootlegs where slashs the nov rain solos just like finck always does and dont give me that shit he was strung out, slash always played it that way and rarely played it like it was on the album

Umm...but he was strung out and drunk off his ass...the words of Izzy Stradlin and Axl Rose(your god). Rarely played it like it was on the album? Did you watch the 92 mtv music awards? Exactly like the album version. Live era? Even better than the album version. Tokyo 92...pretty damn close. The ritz 91? Pretty freakin close.

You know live era the redid A LOT of it right? ?LOL You can make all the excuses you want but its a fact slash rarely played the nov songs just like the album version.

[killingvector]

I don't doubt that Slash had on and off nights, but I don't think Robin's goal is to note for note reproduce the original sound. But I wish he tried to be smoother with his sound; the choppiness annoys me at times. Don't get me wrong, he is a star and a great live performer. But at times, he hit notes which I cannot believe came from a professional.

on the other hand, bucket was the perfect foil for Robin: a technically skilled guitar whiz to balance the noodler.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I agree? Fortus and Bumblefoot is all we need as far as playing live goes. I think Finck is a better songwriter perhaps than both those guys.? ?Fortus absolutely kicks ass ,? he would have fit in perfectly? in the old band Along Slash.

How and the heck do you know Finck is a better songwriter? ?Robin, has basically "0" published works, where he is credited as writer. I just want to point out, that you are again trying to stir trouble, and as usual, everyone else has the last laugh because of the retarded logic you were trying to use so you could come across as knowledgeable. ? With that said, Robin is my favorite new member next to The General. ?I think everyone of the guy's in the band are talented in their own right. ?

Robin wrote most of the music on the new songs you do know that right. He wrote better, guitar for twat, irs, and he wrote the solo for the blues.

[killingvector]

I agree  Fortus and Bumblefoot is all we need as far as playing live goes. I think Finck is a better songwriter perhaps than both those guys.   Fortus absolutely kicks ass ,  he would have fit in perfectly  in the old band Along Slash.

How and the heck do you know Finck is a better songwriter?  Robin, has basically "0" published works, where he is credited as writer. I just want to point out, that you are again trying to stir trouble, and as usual, everyone else has the last laugh because of the retarded logic you were trying to use so you could come across as knowledgeable.   With that said, Robin is my favorite new member next to The General.  I think everyone of the guy's in the band are talented in their own right. 

I hate to defend Swingtrader, but at least from the new songs that we have heard, Robin's contributions are very exciting.

[dave-gnfnr2k]

I've always claimed, in my posts, that people seem to forget Slash's own inability to play the solos he wrote. I love Slash as much as the next guy, but Finck is being unfairly compared to Slash's entire body of work with GN'R, and I think that that will only come to an end when CD is released.

Exactally, finck is always being compared to how slash sounded on the albums not live. You compare slashs live solos to fincks live solos and they are very close.

[SylvesterStallone]

I agree  Fortus and Bumblefoot is all we need as far as playing live goes. I think Finck is a better songwriter perhaps than both those guys.   Fortus absolutely kicks ass ,  he would have fit in perfectly  in the old band Along Slash.

How and the heck do you know Finck is a better songwriter?  Robin, has basically "0" published works, where he is credited as writer. I just want to point out, that you are again trying to stir trouble, and as usual, everyone else has the last laugh because of the retarded logic you were trying to use so you could come across as knowledgeable.   With that said, Robin is my favorite new member next to The General.  I think everyone of the guy's in the band are talented in their own right. 

Robin wrote most of the music on the new songs you do know that right. He wrote better, guitar for twat, irs, and he wrote the solo for the blues.

He wrote guitar for TWAT? Including the outro? I thought TWAT was one long Buckethead jam....

[ShotgunBlues1978]

I agree  Fortus and Bumblefoot is all we need as far as playing live goes. I think Finck is a better songwriter perhaps than both those guys.   Fortus absolutely kicks ass ,  he would have fit in perfectly  in the old band Along Slash.

How and the heck do you know Finck is a better songwriter?  Robin, has basically "0" published works, where he is credited as writer. I just want to point out, that you are again trying to stir trouble, and as usual, everyone else has the last laugh because of the retarded logic you were trying to use so you could come across as knowledgeable.   With that said, Robin is my favorite new member next to The General.  I think everyone of the guy's in the band are talented in their own right. 

Robin wrote most of the music on the new songs you do know that right. He wrote better, guitar for twat, irs, and he wrote the solo for the blues.

He wrote guitar for TWAT? Including the outro? I thought TWAT was one long Buckethead jam....

The outro for TWAT from about 4:20 onward is clearly Buckethead.  But Robin is the one doing the main riff and the middle solo