There has to be a reason for lack of uyi

[Eazy E]

if by handfulyou mean 3 or 4 then yes, there are 3 or 4 songs worth playing from those, but nothing that would drastically change the set.

That's not what I mean... I don't think there should be "rules" about how many songs from each album should be on the setlist. ?

Hey real quick i realise that this post kind of had a negotive connotation around it which i didn't mean for it to have. I really don't mind that they play a lot of appetite. I went to the nyc concert on the 14th and it was fucking great. I was more interested in maybe getting some answers as to why axl doesn't want to play more of them. I know that a lot of them will probably never be played but im interested as to why?

If there is a reason, no one knows it for sure. ?I personally don't think there is a good reason not to play those songs. ?Axl was unpredictable when he played the acoustic show and included 2 Lies songs and people loved it. ?Variety is the spice of life.

[shaun]

There has to be a reason for lack of uyi

because the tracks on AFD are better   

...or, the tracks on UYI are more difficult to perform 

Maybe it's to do with who wrote what song. If the new GnR perform old songs, do the ex gunner's recieve any cash if certain songs are perfomed?

[EccoTides]

There has to be a reason for lack of uyi

because the tracks on AFD are better   

Haha, with a few exceptions, I agree. 

[kunzerd]

the axl songs:

November Rain
You Could Be Mine
Back Off Bitch
My World
Breakdown
Shotgun Blues
Dead Horse


 i think im missing one.

[gmGnR]

Knocking on heavens door

You could be Mine

Live and let die

November Rain


There has to be a reason that these are the only four from those albums.? I'm very curious why those are the only ones that they play.? ?

My theories: Maybe axl doesn't want to play for psycological reasons.? Maybe when he thinks of those songs he assiociates them with the breakup of the original band.? Maybe he won't play songs like "estranged" and "coma" because he associates those with band feelings he had personally that he doens't want to relive.

2.? Maybe he legaly can't play some of those songs because they? belong to other people but that really wouldn't explain you could be mine.

3.? The new band can't play.? I think this is bullshit.? I don't believe that "estranged" is anymore difficult to play than november rain.? This band kicks so much ass and seems to me that they are all playing clean and sober (which i believe was a problem with the old band.)

The band is full of of nothing but the best talent.? non of the members are newbies at music.? They have all been in succesful bands.? I really just think it's a pitty that they don't play more of those songs.

What do you guys think,
Hatts

First, I love the UYI records. However, when songs from these 2 records are played live, it usually breaks down the momentum of the show. ?If you look at setlist from the UYI tours, the shows were long but didn't rock that much: add in guitar solos, drum solo, Estranged, Double Talkin Jive (I'm talking about the 5mn solo at the end), November Rain and a few others half slow-half rockin (i.e., yesterdays), you end up with so much downtime that it's kinda annoying. I remember back in 92, all my friends didn't like the show. It think that's the main reason. ? On the opposite, the shows at Hammerstein rocked hard, even with NR or solos in the middle. It didn't like too much downtime (well, that;s the idea though I still feel 5 or 6 guitar solos are wasy too much).

Now, it's be great if they could rotate songs: one night NR, one night Estranged, one night Coma.... that would make shows less predictable. ?

But hey, as someone posted earlier, it's great to have GNR back on stage!

[kunzerd]

But hey, as someone posted earlier, it's great to have GNR back on stage!

and let's be thankful for that.

[ppbebe]

The main reason is that they want to make the whole audience go nuts at each concert.

And apparently it happens only when they play AFD songs and the hits,
Most UYI tracks are not like so familiar that everyone can sing along.
The audience's responce to them wouldn't be so different from that to the new songs. am I right?

My guess is that they are playing the oldies up to a certain point and no more.

[IndiannaRose]

The main reason is that they want to make the whole audience go nuts at each concert.

And apparently it happens only when they play AFD songs and the hits,
Most UYI tracks are not like so familiar that everyone can sing along.
The audience's responce to them wouldn't be so different from that to the new songs. am I right?

My guess is that they are playing the oldies up to a certain point and no more.

Hmm, in Europe it's the Illusion tracks that are more familiar...

[The Dog]

I agree Hatts.  To imply that UYI songs are harder to play then AFD songs is completely absurd.  Its a matter of choice.  There aren't really that many AMAZING UYI songs to be honest.  Estranged and Coma wouldn't be right for a concert and the don't damn me and bad obsession songs are average tunes.  EVERYBODY knows the AFD songs and they are all kick ass rock songs.  I don't mind the set list at all.  If you've been to a GNR show this year and you were "unhappy" with the songs they played you don't know how to relax and have a good time.

Ehm? I hope you're not a musician yourself   

I rock dude.  Trust me.  haha kidding.

Seriously I think sometimes GNR fans get so caught up in the name that Axl could sing nursey rhymes and people would say they are better then AFD songs.  Its like the people who think Oh My God is a truly excellent song.  Its avg at BEST.  There are probably people out there who think "shotgun blues" is a really good tune...c'mon, lets be real.  Don't get me wrong, the illusions discs have some AWESOME songs, but I can't think of too many other songs besides the ones he is already playing that would be worth putting in.  (locomotive, coma, estranged, breakdown...all too long).

I agree with that one person, I would love to hear yesterdays.  Great song and in light of where guns is now I think its a very appropriate song.

While Don't Cry is a great song, theres already enough slower songs on the set list.  Patience and NR are much bigger songs then don't cry.

[Mysteron]

Knocking on heavens door

You could be Mine

Live and let die

November Rain


There has to be a reason that these are the only four from those albums.? I'm very curious why those are the only ones that they play.? ?

My theories: Maybe axl doesn't want to play for psycological reasons.? Maybe when he thinks of those songs he assiociates them with the breakup of the original band.? Maybe he won't play songs like "estranged" and "coma" because he associates those with band feelings he had personally that he doens't want to relive.

2.? Maybe he legaly can't play some of those songs because they? belong to other people but that really wouldn't explain you could be mine.

3.? The new band can't play.? I think this is bullshit.? I don't believe that "estranged" is anymore difficult to play than november rain.? This band kicks so much ass and seems to me that they are all playing clean and sober (which i believe was a problem with the old band.)

The band is full of of nothing but the best talent.? non of the members are newbies at music.? They have all been in succesful bands.? I really just think it's a pitty that they don't play more of those songs.

What do you guys think,
Hatts

It's hard to please everyone

[IndiannaRose]

Knocking on heavens door

You could be Mine

Live and let die

November Rain


There has to be a reason that these are the only four from those albums.? I'm very curious why those are the only ones that they play.? ?

My theories: Maybe axl doesn't want to play for psycological reasons.? Maybe when he thinks of those songs he assiociates them with the breakup of the original band.? Maybe he won't play songs like "estranged" and "coma" because he associates those with band feelings he had personally that he doens't want to relive.

2.? Maybe he legaly can't play some of those songs because they? belong to other people but that really wouldn't explain you could be mine.

3.? The new band can't play.? I think this is bullshit.? I don't believe that "estranged" is anymore difficult to play than november rain.? This band kicks so much ass and seems to me that they are all playing clean and sober (which i believe was a problem with the old band.)

The band is full of of nothing but the best talent.? non of the members are newbies at music.? They have all been in succesful bands.? I really just think it's a pitty that they don't play more of those songs.

What do you guys think,
Hatts

It's hard to please everyone

Well...asking a band to maybe stop ignoring two albums that jointly sold 32 million copies worldwide by 1993 is not that much to ask, now is it?

[Mobenrad]

The theory of the band not being able to play these songs is completely bullshit. The biggest argument here is "Estranged" in that people think it cannot be played because no one is good enough. HAH. Don't make me laugh. Estranged is a very easy song to play on guitar, I don't care what people think. The bass is simple as well. The piano, hmm...Dizzy already fucking knows that. The rhythm guitar even more simple.

So yes, there is definitely another reason besides that theory.

[The Dog]

It's hard to please everyone

Well...asking a band to maybe stop ignoring two albums that jointly sold 32 million copies worldwide by 1993 is not that much to ask, now is it?

How is it ignored? they play 4 songs from those discs?

[IndiannaRose]

It's hard to please everyone

Well...asking a band to maybe stop ignoring two albums that jointly sold 32 million copies worldwide by 1993 is not that much to ask, now is it?

 they play 4 songs from those discs?

Are you asking me if they play 4 songs from those discs? Eh?

Anyways....

4/30
^
That's the fraction right there. They're not totally ignored but almost completely.

 

[Hatts]

Knocking on heavens door

You could be Mine

Live and let die

November Rain


There has to be a reason that these are the only four from those albums.  I'm very curious why those are the only ones that they play.   

My theories: Maybe axl doesn't want to play for psycological reasons.  Maybe when he thinks of those songs he assiociates them with the breakup of the original band.  Maybe he won't play songs like "estranged" and "coma" because he associates those with band feelings he had personally that he doens't want to relive.

2.  Maybe he legaly can't play some of those songs because they  belong to other people but that really wouldn't explain you could be mine.

3.  The new band can't play.  I think this is bullshit.  I don't believe that "estranged" is anymore difficult to play than november rain.  This band kicks so much ass and seems to me that they are all playing clean and sober (which i believe was a problem with the old band.)

The band is full of of nothing but the best talent.  non of the members are newbies at music.  They have all been in succesful bands.  I really just think it's a pitty that they don't play more of those songs.

What do you guys think,
Hatts

It's hard to please everyone

That is a good point and I can understand that, but you think could get rid of "out to get me" in exchange for one of those.  Really though i'm just happy that they are out that at all.  Long live gnr.


Hatts

[Tomorrows]

I dont think its so much about reminding him of the demise of GnR. They toured and officially stayed together for a few years after.

But the recording for UYI was a very hard process for all the band members I think. Remember what Axl had to say about the UYI albums in the Trunk interview. Probably reminds him too much on being on bad terms with his good friend Izzy.

[Bostonrose]

If you really analyze it, he's not playing anything from UYI, 
You Could Be Mine is an old song that was suppose to be on AFD, November Rain as well.

LALD and KOHD are just cover songs...

Estranged on the 2006 tour:
"I'm only 48 and much to young to let love break my heart..."     
the song is dated

Why would he play anything from UYI, it's been a long time, play the hits and intergrate the new songs

[da_pope]

Don't Cry was the first song ever written by the real Guns. It's probably to personal.

Estranged... I think Axl's voice can't handle it anymore. He can hardly get through the bridge in Rocket Queen so Estranged would really mess with his vocal chords.

[Eazy E]

Don't Cry was the first song ever written by the real Guns. It's probably to personal.

So bands shouldn't be playing songs that are "personal" to them?? I'm pretty sure every single song in GN'R's catalogue is personal and has a lot of emotion attached to it from Axl's point of view.

4/30
^
That's the fraction right there. They're not totally ignored but almost completely.

2 of those are covers... 2/28... that's ignoring in my book!

Why would he play anything from UYI, it's been a long time, play the hits and intergrate the new songs

It's been a longer time since AFD... and there are songs on the Illusions that were hits.? In fact, there's more Illusion songs on Guns N' Roses successful Greatest Hits album than there is from Appetite.

Again, if the plan is to "play the new songs and phase out the old stuff except for the hits", then why bother calling the band Guns N' Roses?? If they're only planning on playing new material and 3-4 classic songs, then call the band something else and consider those songs "covers"... Just like Velvet Revolver.? Don't get me wrong, I'm jazzed that Axl is back and it's great that they are touring... but I find it strange that they are refusing to play so many good songs.

[estranged88]

as to why the songs are not played, only Axl truely knows

But i think breakdown would be an awesome addition to thier current set