Chinese Democracy needs a pop song...

[da_pope]

No rock album is going to go anywhere without a geniuine pop song.
I'm not saying it needs some pop punk crap or some shit like that...

Think of Appitite. It wasn't big until they released Sweet Child O' Mine, a softer pop song with a kick ass solo, as a single.
Pop doesn't have to be bad... All a song needs to be "pop" is radio friendly. Release a song thats more upbeat, softer and something to usher it over the other crap, Sweet Child had the greatest riff and solo of all-time, this song will need something along those lines (ok, maybe not that perfect but a kick ass solo would do it.)

I can garuntee without a song like that this album is going no where fast mainstream wise. Especially in this day and age where rock is virtually non-existent in the mainstream.

[AxlsMainMan]

Ummm....

Have you heard the full version of Better?!?!

If thats not a genuine pop-rock song I dont know what is...

The lyrics and melodies of the song cry out a future #1 radio hit to me...

You've already dissed Catcher, and that's another pop hit to me...

Or The Blues....

Trust me, Axl knows what he's doing...

[da_pope]

Better is not radio friendly.
Maybe it would be in the 80's but not today.

WAY to heavy. WAY to many effects.

[russtcb]

Better is not radio friendly.
Maybe it would be in the 80's but not today.

WAY to heavy. WAY to many effects.

You'll be proven very wrong after it's an enormous hit.

[da_pope]

Better is not radio friendly.
Maybe it would be in the 80's but not today.

WAY to heavy. WAY to many effects.

You'll be proven very wrong after it's an enormous hit.

Haha ok buddy 

If Better is an enormous hit  (top 5 mainstream) I will promise to never log on to the internet again.

[Steel_Angel]

it will be a huge hit, and u will prolly still be on htgth but under the username.. "inslashsass"

[russtcb]

Better is not radio friendly.
Maybe it would be in the 80's but not today.

WAY to heavy. WAY to many effects.

You'll be proven very wrong after it's an enormous hit.

Haha ok buddy 

If Better is an enormous hit  (top 5 mainstream) I will promise to never log on to the internet again.

That's a really unfortunate bet you just made. Not worth debate right now since no one can be proved right, but come this fall or spring when it's a huge hit, you'll be eating those words.

[da_pope]

That's a really unfortunate bet you just made. Not worth debate right now since no one can be proved right, but come this fall or spring when it's a huge hit, you'll be eating those words.

Haha ok.
There hasn't been a hardrock song in the top 5 since 1995.

[AxlsMainMan]

Better is not radio friendly.
Maybe it would be in the 80's but not today.

WAY to heavy. WAY to many effects.

Your simply under the impression that Better is way to heavy for radio because of the sheer unoriginality and tameness of modern rock radio.

There simply isn't anything new out there in the world of Rock that experimentally comes even remotely close to Better, and does it in a way that is appealing and intriguing to music fans who might not even cared for Guns N' Roses, old or new...

& I shall hold you to you're word da_pope...

[russtcb]

Better is not radio friendly.
Maybe it would be in the 80's but not today.

WAY to heavy. WAY to many effects.

Your simply under the impression that Better is way to heavy for radio because of the sheer unoriginality and tameness of modern rock radio.

There simply isn't anything new out there in the world of Rock that experimentally comes even remotely close to Better, and does it in a way that is appealing and intriguing to music fans who might not even cared for Guns N' Roses, old or new...

& I shall hold you to you're word da_pope...

I think alot of people do that and don't even think about it as far as Better is concerned.

P.S. I keep meaning to compliment you on the Syd pic. Shine On!

[dave-gnfnr2k]

better is pop song with a hard edge

[da_pope]

So. Let me get this straight.
You think that 12 - 17 year old girl (The main demographic when it comes to mainstream) is going to listen to "Better" and say "hey.. I like this song I should go get my mommy to buy me this album".

[trojan]

That's a really unfortunate bet you just made. Not worth debate right now since no one can be proved right, but come this fall or spring when it's a huge hit, you'll be eating those words.

Haha ok.
There hasn't been a hardrock song in the top 5 since 1995.

actually  VR did it, and i think the most recent was Avenged Sevenfold, but i think those were the only two

[da_pope]

That's a really unfortunate bet you just made. Not worth debate right now since no one can be proved right, but come this fall or spring when it's a huge hit, you'll be eating those words.

Haha ok.
There hasn't been a hardrock song in the top 5 since 1995.

actually? VR did it, and i think the most recent was Avenged Sevenfold, but i think those were the only two

Top 5?
In Mainstream? As in "Hot 100"?

Hahahahaha.

Slither peaked in the high 50's on the Hot 100.

[AxlsMainMan]

better is pop song with a hard edge

You took the words right out of my 46 year old father's mouth...

Better was the first of the leaks my old man heard, and his first conclusion is that it is destined to be a #1 hit.

If anything Better though, I think Better may be a little to tame for Gn'R's first new single in almost a decade.

As Ive said many times, the first single has to be THE big gun...

It's got to grab listeners from all different demographics with all different interests in music, and sell Chinese Democracy to them, no ands/ifs/ or buts

[russtcb]

So. Let me get this straight.
You think that 12 - 17 year old girl (The main demographic when it comes to mainstream) is going to listen to "Better" and say "hey.. I like this song I should go get my mommy to buy me this album".

The rock demographic that both Sony BMG and Universal are tagerting is 14-29 male and females just so you know for the future. And yes, I think people of both sexes from that entire age group are going to dig the tune. Again... something to be proven in the furture.

[da_pope]

So. Let me get this straight.
You think that 12 - 17 year old girl (The main demographic when it comes to mainstream) is going to listen to "Better" and say "hey.. I like this song I should go get my mommy to buy me this album".

The rock demographic that both Sony BMG and Universal are tagerting is 14-29 male and females just so you know for the future. And yes, I think people of both sexes from that entire age group are going to dig the tune. Again... something to be proven in the furture.

Ah, but were not talking about Rock.
Were talking about mainstream radio. The shit that gets played on Hot 95.9
Slither was a huge hit on rock radio but it didn't even make a dent in the mainstream.

[AxlsMainMan]

So. Let me get this straight.
You think that 12 - 17 year old girl (The main demographic when it comes to mainstream) is going to listen to "Better" and say "hey.. I like this song I should go get my mommy to buy me this album".

Ive sent this song to people from that very demographic, as Im sure many other people here have done, just out of sheer curiousity of what reaction it would garner, and trust me, it is well liked, and a studio version could only help Gn'R's cause as far as the teeny-bopper demographic is concerned.

Why you ask? Because it's catchy and poppy as hell...

[BD888]

It needs more like three if it's going to do the huge numbers that everyone is hoping.

[russtcb]

So. Let me get this straight.
You think that 12 - 17 year old girl (The main demographic when it comes to mainstream) is going to listen to "Better" and say "hey.. I like this song I should go get my mommy to buy me this album".

The rock demographic that both Sony BMG and Universal are tagerting is 14-29 male and females just so you know for the future. And yes, I think people of both sexes from that entire age group are going to dig the tune. Again... something to be proven in the furture.

Ah, but were not talking about Rock.
Were talking about mainstream radio. The shit that gets played on Hot 95.9
Slither was a huge hit on rock radio but it didn't even make a dent in the mainstream.

Sweet Child O' Mine wasn't played on stations like that when it was current. It is now, but so is plenty of other stuff from that era that was never played on those same stations when they were released. I guess I don't understand what you're asking of GNR then. Are you saying they need to include something that sounds like All American Rejects or something like that to get airplay on "mainstream" radio stations?