Chinese Democracy vs Appetite for Destruction

[slashisvr]

im not sure if this has been posyed before, i couldnt find it on search, so here goes

Does anyone in here think that Chinses Democracy will have as much of an impact on the music world as AFD did??

which the band being silent for the best part of 15years, and not being the same band as in 87, do you think the album will have a massive impact and go on to be a classic like AFD??

i sure hope it does, the material i hear is good, but im unsure IMO wether its groundbreaking like AFD material was

[Markus Asraelius]

We don't know what will be on the final disc of CD so it's an extremely difficult question to answer.

[BaDoBsEsSiOn418]

no, that would be impossible. ?BUT, i do think that chinese democracy will give rock a good kick in the ass. ?

[axlrosegnr]

As much as I would love it to be (and it may be to me) lol, it won't to a general audience

[SLCPUNK]

Something that has not been released

Vs

Something that has been out for nearly 20 years.

[godiva]

I'll judge when I get CD in my hands. Right now, I can't say anything sensible. Well, saying something sensible is always quite rough for me anyways 

[ppbebe]

Yeah hopefully.

Although on all fronts having been matured and evolved, this band is as fresh and energetic as the band that brought out AFD in 87.

[GnR-NOW]

its tough to compare this great album to something that hasnt been released.  Theres no doubt in my mind that CD will be great, it will be better then anything released in teh past few years.  It will be that good, but it will also be vastly different then CD and thats what everyone needs to keep in mind.

[oldgunsfan]

I would like to CD have the impact the AFD did but, since we don't have it yet, it's very hard to say but with songs like Better and TWAT, and to a lesser extent IRS....it sure has potential

[Wolfpac]

I think the album will sell extremely well but only because of the GNR name. I personally think the demos and leaks are average at best when compared to today's standards but they suck when compared to AFD or UYI. I'm sorry, I'm just not enjoying the demos and leaks.

I sat here by the computer for like 2 hours the other day just playing the demos and setting the player on 'repeat all'. I tried to like the demos and leaks- I really did but it just wasn't happening..... Even my bro came in and asked what I was listening to because he was getting annoyed from hearing the same tracks over and over. When I told him it was the 'new' GNR he just shook his head and said, 'Damn, this sucks.... Axl's finally lost it. Letting the original guys go was a mistake'. In all honesty, I do agree with him.

These songs just aren't that good in my opinion (and obviously, my brother's). When it comes to GNR he and I expect a level of excellence. We expect something that will blow everything out of the water, not something that will only compete with everything in the water. Hey, who knows? These are only demos. Maybe these songs will get HUGE overhauls before the final release comes out.

[jimmythegent]

Appetite will never be topped

[Tomorrows]

I think its possible that CD may usher in a new area of popularity for rock music.

[Gargh!]

Part of the impact that AFD had was that it was a new band - new shocks, new aesthetic, new tabliod potential...
The new band doesn't have that to anything like the same extent, and so they can't really compete with the old guns in terms of personality related impact.

As for the music.... well, as has been said, you can't really tell until we actually have the record, but it will at the very least invigorate classic rock, though I suspect it will not bring it to a new era of dominance.

[pollyblue]

axl can never beat his AFD record. it's too good!

[Locomotive98]

Its madness to even suggest it could top Appetite. It just wont have the spirit or the hunger of AFD. How can you make a kick ass record when youve been living in a Malibu mansion for 13 years not doing anything but checking how many mill youve got in the bank or wondering when your next surgery appointment is due?? In the 80s Guns had something to say and life experieces to document, be they good or bad. Axl just seems content to write some piano rock about some bird that upset him many years ago. This isnt Keane Axl, its Guns N Roses! Remember them?!

Obviously no one can comment fully till it comes out, but the fact that so many members, so many years and so many dollars have rolled by that this wont be the spontaneous kick up the ass rcok and roll or even music in general needs.

Guns was about 5 guys living in a squat working hard and struggling to survive and having shit thrown at them in their lives. Sorry but Rock N Roll to me is comradeship, not hired hands, and actually have to live the lifestyle.

It may well be great but it wont have heart.

Flame away!

[Gargh!]

That's a good point, actually.  I hadn't really thought about it that way before.

[da_pope]

I think its possible that CD may usher in a new area of popularity for rock music.

Yes and it's also popular that CD bombs terribly and is forgotten the next day.

You can't tell anything until the record is actually out but chances of it coming anywhere close to the quality, impact and sales numbers that AFD had are slim to none.

Quality - AFD was one of the best albums of all-time. Every song from Welcome to The Junlge to Rocket Queen kicked ass. The songs were real rock, they were about Sex, Drugs and just the hard rock life. Axl doesn't have that anymore he's been sleeping on millions in his malibu mansion.

Impact - Appitie was mean, sleezy, raw and just kicked the ass of all the make up wearing faggots of hair metal. It blew up into something that was being compared to the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. CD however is being released in a time in which Rock N' Roll is dieing and it doesn't seem like a bunch of piano power ballad epics will be able to bring it back. It looks like it will take the exact oppisite, another AFD.

Sales Numbers - Last time a hard rock band released an album that went more then 5x platnium the roses on Kurt Cobains grave were still red. Chinese Democracy will come no where close to the numbers AFD put up. Ever. That is unless Axl sells the rights to the album to Britney Spears and lets her make all the songs more poppy. Then it might stand a chance of going 3x Platnium +.

[bumblerocks]

I think the album will sell extremely well but only because of the GNR name. I personally think the demos and leaks are average at best when compared to today's standards but they suck when compared to AFD or UYI. I'm sorry, I'm just not enjoying the demos and leaks.

I sat here by the computer for like 2 hours the other day just playing the demos and setting the player on 'repeat all'. I tried to like the demos and leaks- I really did but it just wasn't happening..... Even my bro came in and asked what I was listening to because he was getting annoyed from hearing the same tracks over and over. When I told him it was the 'new' GNR he just shook his head and said, 'Damn, this sucks.... Axl's finally lost it. Letting the original guys go was a mistake'. In all honesty, I do agree with him.

These songs just aren't that good in my opinion (and obviously, my brother's). When it comes to GNR he and I expect a level of excellence. We expect something that will blow everything out of the water, not something that will only compete with everything in the water. Hey, who knows? These are only demos. Maybe these songs will get HUGE overhauls before the final release comes out.

bad taste must run in the family... but don't worry, you'll be eating your words soon enough!

[EccoTides]

Sales-wise? No way, it's simply impossible.

Quality-wise? It's possible.

AFD, as much as I love it, and as much it gets put up on an untouchable pedestal, has two weak tracks that could've easily been left off (You're Crazy and Anything Goes).

If Chinese Democracy manages to squeeze 13 tracks of amazingness on there (not saying it will, just "if"), it'll be a better record than AFD in my eyes.

[Tomorrows]

I think its possible that CD may usher in a new area of popularity for rock music.

Yes and it's also popular that CD bombs terribly and is forgotten the next day.

You can't tell anything until the record is actually out but chances of it coming anywhere close to the quality, impact and sales numbers that AFD had are slim to none.

Quality - AFD was one of the best albums of all-time. Every song from Welcome to The Junlge to Rocket Queen kicked ass. The songs were real rock, they were about Sex, Drugs and just the hard rock life. Axl doesn't have that anymore he's been sleeping on millions in his malibu mansion.

Impact - Appitie was mean, sleezy, raw and just kicked the ass of all the make up wearing faggots of hair metal. It blew up into something that was being compared to the Beatles and the Rolling Stones. CD however is being released in a time in which Rock N' Roll is dieing and it doesn't seem like a bunch of piano power ballad epics will be able to bring it back. It looks like it will take the exact oppisite, another AFD.

Sales Numbers - Last time a hard rock band released an album that went more then 5x platnium the roses on Kurt Cobains grave were still red. Chinese Democracy will come no where close to the numbers AFD put up. Ever. That is unless Axl sells the rights to the album to Britney Spears and lets her make all the songs more poppy. Then it might stand a chance of going 3x Platnium +.

CD doesnt have to sell as well or be as good as AFD to remind people of how good rock n roll is.

I still think itll sell fucking well - there are vocal opponents like yourself but I think Axl has a massive market for CD that is fairly silent.