What Does Guns N' Roses Mean?

[micfac]

like someone said, the new Guns will really become GNR after a couple albums and tours.. right now is just the beginning..


P.S. can anyone tell me what is the origin of Duff "ROSE" McKagan i never knew this!

have you never seen any of the original line up concerts when axl introduces all the band members?

[da_pope]

Axl by himself would not sell half the albums he will under the GN'R name. Why?

a)It probably cause of the way the media portrayed the break up but 90% of Casual Rock Fans took Slash's side in this battle. (Like it or not, it's the truth.) So if they saw a "Axl Rose" album chances are they'd say "He's nothing without Slash." or "Nothing that lunatic puts out can be good".
b) There is so much hype around that name it's unbelivable. They were one of the biggest bands of all-time. I could go release an album under the name "Guns N' Roses" and it would go platnium.
c) 99.9% of people still think Slash is in the band. The media still uses pictures of the original lineup when talking about Guns N' Roses. A good chunk of the people who buy the CD will think Slash is still in the band.

Someone in this thread said that Hammerstien didn't sell out that fast just cause of the name... Yes it did. I can 200% Garun-Fucking-tee you that if it was "Axl Rose" playing that the place wouldn't even sell out at all.

[illusionone]

This is the way I look at the whole GNR experience. . . for anyone who cares.

I am from Boston and I follow both the Patriots and the Red Sox.  When I was a kid both of those team looked completly different from what they look like today.  Nobody in Boston says, Drew Bledsoe isn't with the Patriots so they shouldn't call them the Patriots.  People follow the name Patriots  - the same with Roger Clemens.  When he left Boston, nobody said, Rogers not on the team, their not the Red Sox.

My point - since 1985 the band Guns N' Roses has had many different people come in and out of the band - but they're still Guns N' Roses.  When Izzy and Steven left, it was still GNR - When Matt and Gilby cam on board it was still GNR.

Anyway - to answer the original question - The fact that Axl kept the name GNR gave me something to look forward to - the name Guns N' Roses and Axl Rose give me hope that if someone like Axl wants something bad enough he/she can do it, or acheive their goal.  I look at what Axl has had to go through over the years, not buckling under pressure, doing what he thought was best and it makes me feel that I can achieve any dream I have regardless of what anybody tells me.  Axl said that the 2002 tour seemed forced and look how that turned out.  Axl wants to do this in 2006 and look how this has started.

Anyway - my two cents. . .

-illusionone

[marknroses]

This thread is not about Axl vs. Slash, or New GN'R vs. Old GN'R or GN'R vs. VR, it is merely a hypothetical "what if?"

This thread is also not about whether Axl should've continued to call the band GN'R, that's been argued to death, this thread's only purpose is to ask you, the fans, what does the name Guns N' Roses mean to you?


What impact, in your opinion, has the name Guns N' Roses had on Axl's career since 1996?What has it meant for the forthcoming album "Chinese Democracy"?

What if, when Slash and Duff left, the band had broke up, I mean formally? Would the interest have been as big had Axl been working under a different band name for the past ten years and not GN'R? Could the Axl Rose Band have sold out these European dates? Would there have been put as much pressure and expectations on him by the fans and the media? Would there have been less negative press over the years? Would there have been so much scrutiny and critique leveled at Axl's choice of people to play music with? Would they have been able to secure all these headlining gigs at festivals etc.?

What does the name Guns N' Roses mean?

I'm hoping this will be discussed in an interesting and friendly manner. Be cool.?

I can be cooler now about this.
GNR is in one sentence "The embodiment of the human spirit"
A spirit that is both fragile and bold, happy & sad etc etc...
Its reasons like these that bring us all to the boards - GNR songs speak to some element of our volatile lives at one point or another. If you need patience, there's a song for that (Don't Cry & Patience), if you don't have patience there's songs for that as well (You Could Be Mine & Double Talkin Jive).

After watching Hammerstein 5/14 and seeing what he's been up to off stage, he's beginning to earn the name and his old stripes. ?His band looked great for the 1st time and there's definitly a hunger in their performances & to prove themselves under the GNR name. However, the new music and its standing to the old music remains to be seen and I'm still not fully impressed by these songs. I guess portions of IRS & TWAT and even oldies like Oh My G-d get me going, but nothin yet like a 6:46 headbanging Paradise City or a mellow, contemplative 9:49 Estranged or the short but hard rockin 4:34 "WTTJ". Ultimately this Chinese Democracy record is gonna have to stand on its own two feet for the transition to be fully justified.

Im still holding out for a reunion. Seeing Duff & Slash & Matt looking energized last year with VR and the newly energized Axl Rose makes me hold hope for a GNR reunion that still has the spirit of old.

MNW

[jsg2295]

"Im still holding out for a reunion. Seeing Duff & Slash & Matt looking energized last year with VR and the newly energized Axl Rose makes me hold hope for a GNR reunion that still has the spirit of old"
---------Maybe if they stopped sueing each other.

[ClintroN]

Here's one for you all who say "It was still Gn'R when Izzy and Steven were gone so why can't it be Gn'R without Slash and Duff?" fair enough. But suppose Axl left the band and signed over the rights of the name to the new guys and they got a new singer is it still Gun N ' Roses? According to your philosophy it's all about the music right and not who's in the band. Guns N' Roses is a feeling and attitude not about members right? Or does that only apply as long as Axl's in the band. If it were Slash, Duff, Izzy and Steven minus Axl is it still Guns N' Roses? It should be but alot of you would say no and that's ridiculous.

well since your quoting me, i'll answer!!

Yes, if Axl had left i really dont see why Slash, Duff Izzy n' Steven couldnt continue, i'd be all for it,  thats my whole point dude

give us a chance to answer before you call us ridiculous man

[Chief]

Yes i have but i have no idea why he got that nickname. did he explain it once? i never have seen that....

like someone said, the new Guns will really become GNR after a couple albums and tours.. right now is just the beginning..


P.S. can anyone tell me what is the origin of Duff "ROSE" McKagan i never knew this!

have you never seen any of the original line up concerts when axl introduces all the band members?

[Chief]

AWESOME post man!!! this is the way i look at it as well, but i didn't have that team analogy spring to mind.

the fact that Axl wants this so much and he believes in the new Guns makes me believe in Guns N' Roses today more than ever before!

This is the way I look at the whole GNR experience. . . for anyone who cares.

I am from Boston and I follow both the Patriots and the Red Sox.  When I was a kid both of those team looked completly different from what they look like today.  Nobody in Boston says, Drew Bledsoe isn't with the Patriots so they shouldn't call them the Patriots.  People follow the name Patriots  - the same with Roger Clemens.  When he left Boston, nobody said, Rogers not on the team, their not the Red Sox.

My point - since 1985 the band Guns N' Roses has had many different people come in and out of the band - but they're still Guns N' Roses.  When Izzy and Steven left, it was still GNR - When Matt and Gilby cam on board it was still GNR.

Anyway - to answer the original question - The fact that Axl kept the name GNR gave me something to look forward to - the name Guns N' Roses and Axl Rose give me hope that if someone like Axl wants something bad enough he/she can do it, or acheive their goal.  I look at what Axl has had to go through over the years, not buckling under pressure, doing what he thought was best and it makes me feel that I can achieve any dream I have regardless of what anybody tells me.  Axl said that the 2002 tour seemed forced and look how that turned out.  Axl wants to do this in 2006 and look how this has started.

Anyway - my two cents. . .

-illusionone

[estrangedpaul]

Not a chance.
Axl is nothing without that name.

Yea of pal. FUCK YOU! Axl can do just fine with out the name he doesnt need it. But it is his and he can use it anyway he wants. Axl can call it what ever he wants but the shows did not sell in less then 3min so ppl can see a name. The went for the entier group axl, finck, richard, dizzy, and bf

Actually nobody who bought tickets knew Bumblefoot would be there.

Most fans, (other than the most hardcore fansand the people on boards,) went to see Axl and the old songs, not the new members or the new songs.

[Goddamn_Electric]

Axl Rose is GN'R...you can replace guitars/drums/keyboards/...but you CAN'T replace a vocalist...especially AXL ROSE.

Unless you're AC/DC.


Just ask Skid Row.  They're ass without Baz, I dont care how good Snake Sabo is.