May 15th show thread POST YOUR REVIEWS IN THE GNR ON TOUR SECTION PLEASE!

[Gaymo, the Hobbit]

what did axl talk between the songs?

[Drew]

Cool that Robin crowd surfed during You Could Be Mine. I wish I could've seen that!

[badapple81]

All I can say is that if the Beatles were still together (and alive) and had been working on a now completed album for nearly a decade and a half, announced a tour and played A Hard Day's Night - people would be pissed.

I'm fine with GN'R playing old stuff as long as CD remains unreleased. Fine, no problem here. But, and I say "but", if they continue to make it the AFD tour after CD's release, then you're bound to end up playing a greatest hits show every night and eventually lose your mainstream, as well as potentially new, fan base.
But think about it, with people all over the world saying how this isn't Guns N' Roses with all the big changes regarding its line up, imagine if this "new" band got onstage this summer without a CD release and played a majority of new songs. Songs people have never heard and they sound like jibberish because you have no point of reference (imagine hearing Estranged or November Rain live for the first time without having heard it on an album first). Then, people would bitch and say "if we're supposed to accept that this is GN'R, how come they barely play any old stuff?"

You can't please everybody... not yet anyway. ?

No, its not fine. People who have stuck by Axl for all these years do not want to hear 85% old material. People want to hear CD. Hell, even people that arent fans have heard of Chinese Democracy. Start playing alot of songs from it, promote it, and even people that aren't fans will buy tickets out of curiousity.

I heard new songs in July 1991 before they were released. It was amazing. It was half(or more than half) new material, and there wasn't one person in the crowd that wasn't blown away.

From the reviews here, they seem fairly content to hear 85% old material to me.

They are the first shows. Let's see how the rest of the MANY dates go and what happens..

[Fernando]

All of your cameras are to belong to me...

[audjon]

If the setlist stays the same going into Euro tour, it needs to be renamed the AFD tour.

Axl's Appetite?

[GnR-NOW]

i ll give a review later, i still have to drive home  ... i just wished they played twat

[kunzerd]

have you guys been to a concert before?

ive never attended a concert for a band with a multiple cd catalogue and heard them play only stuff from their newest or forth coming album, 6 songs is actually more than what you would typically hear at a concert under these conditions.

just be thankful GNR is back on stage and in the public eye.

jesus, support the band and stop bitching, or stop buying tickets and leave room at the show for people that will actually appreciate everything the band has to offer.

[jameslofton29]

Thats your opinion.? I was completely fine with Friday nights setlist and would rather not have Chinese Democracy spolied months in advance with performaces of songs were not familiar with.

Did you avoid the UYI tour before the release of the UYI albums because you didnt want things spoiled? During that time, people loved hearing that new music. I dont see why the logic has to be different this time, since apparently he has a trilogy of material to play around with.

Well thats a seperate issue.

Theyre buying tickets anyway.

Like Ive said, theyre already playing what could be half of the album. So we are hearing the material, it just isnt as new as youd like it to be. Theres also a 95% chance youll hear it before its release anyway.

Its not a seperate issue. Whats the name of the tour? Is it the AFD with a couple UYI hits and a few leaks mixed in tour? If you arent offering a showcase of CD, dont call it a CD tour. It reeks of 2002.

Selling out small venues isnt a proper test for success of this tour. He should have done 4 nights at MSG and announced that setlist beforehand. ?Only forum members would have been at that those shows, and not even all the forum members would have fell for that. Also in foreign countries, the old band is what is being promoted. Of course people are going to buy tickets. They think AFD GNR is back. They are half right. AFD songs, but not AFD members.

half the album every night? I dont see that. You are adding up new songs played at all shows and calling that half the album? I thought the tracklist hadn't been decided yet? There's 3 albums to work with, he can easily throw some new songs into the shows without spoiling anything.

I will admit its not time to panic yet. These are "warmups". But if this setlist is the standard going into Euro and then the NA tour, you will see an exact repeat of 2002.

have you guys been to a concert before?

Yes. GNR used to play shows with half the songs being new material. I thought you guys liked how Axl always did things differently? Now you arguing the exact opposite. make up your mind.

Is anyone bitching about Axl being back? Quit putting words in people's mouths. I haven't seen anyone say that. Some people just dont want to see a repeat of 2002.

[Tomorrows]

Also with this "half of Chinese Democracy" stuff. How do we know we have heard half of it?

The final track list is still being shuffled - we could only be hearing like 2 or 3 songs from it. Id be more than happy to hear some new songs.

[kunzerd]

a lot of people have been bitching about the shows actually. the setlist specifically.

and ive never said how i like how axl 'does things differently', so dont put words in my mouth.

what he is doing now is fine and like i said, what you would see at any show by anybody.

[WARose]

Selling out small venues isnt a proper test for success of this tour. He should have done 4 nights at MSG and announced that setlist beforehand.  Only forum members would have been at that those shows, and not even all the forum members would have fell for that. Also in foreign countries, the old band is what is being promoted. Of course people are going to buy tickets. They think AFD GNR is back. They are half right. AFD songs, but not AFD members.

that`s not right. people know that slash isn`t in the band anymore. but there are lots of people who don`t care as long as axl is there

[kunzerd]

Selling out small venues isnt a proper test for success of this tour. He should have done 4 nights at MSG and announced that setlist beforehand.? Only forum members would have been at that those shows, and not even all the forum members would have fell for that. Also in foreign countries, the old band is what is being promoted. Of course people are going to buy tickets. They think AFD GNR is back. They are half right. AFD songs, but not AFD members.

that`s not right. people know that slash isn`t in the band anymore. but there are lots of people who don`t care as long as axl is there

yeah, europe is a lot more inviting when it comes to the new band.

probably why he always goes there first.

personally i really like the new band, and i dont care if the old one ever reunites. itd be cool, but just not necessary to me anymore.

[Lowrlder54]

I think i liked fridays show a little better. The crowd on monday had problems

[kunzerd]

I think i liked fridays show a little better. The crowd on monday had problems

friday's show (aside from some minor mixing problems, and a musical mistake or two) was amazing.

[mikegiuliana]

I had a great time meeting some people who weren't around the last two shows, madagas bono pil all cool dudes... Little fly thanks for those fries , gnr now that was ?a great chat lucky dog teaching HS As usual darknemus aka craig, good times and what a great story, VFW baby Jazjme , MrI.great to see you again,,, Veronica nice to meet you too

I think if someone would have stabbed my veins and took a glass they would have had heineken...

See eevryone for teh last show, should be amazing

[sandman]

i would prefer NOT to hear more of CD. i want to have something to look forward to when i buy the album. hearing new songs live isn't always that great - it can be hard to appreciate a song hearing it live for the first time.

i was disappointed i didn't hear rocket queen friday night. so hearing it last night was awesome. i am a long time fan. AFD is the greatest album ever made. so i want to hear several AFD songs.

axl is mixing in 6 "new" songs. that's plenty IMO.

[Booker Floyd]

Also with this "half of Chinese Democracy" stuff. How do we know we have heard half of it?

Chinese Democracy
The Blues
Madagascar
I.R.S.
Better
There Was A Time

Thats 6 songs that are safe bets for the album (I doubt hed include them as regulars if they werent on there)...assuming theres 12 or so tracks, thats half of the album. 

Did you avoid the UYI tour before the release of the UYI albums because you didnt want things spoiled? During that time, people loved hearing that new music. I dont see why the logic has to be different this time, since apparently he has a trilogy of material to play around with.

One difference is the internet - those new songs would spread on a scale unlike anything in the 90s.  Thats obviously not how he wants the new songs unveiled. 

We all want to hear new songs, but with six likely Chinese Democracy songs in regular rotation, Id rather hear the rest on the album.  As for people attending, who is really passing up GNR because theres too many classics in the setlist?  Thats what most casual fans, and many die-hards, want to see.  Id like to see a few more. 

The key is Axl actually releasing the album.  Assuming he does, itll about 5 or 6 months until hes playing those new songs.  No big deal.  If not, then the problems obviously bigger than the setlist.

[jknaus23]

Story on the first 2 shows: http://www.blender.com/guide/reviews.aspx?id=3886

[Mutherfunker]

Lofton...

Your logic is crap...

UYI illusion tour didn't consist of only UYI songs, there were plenty of AFD songs played - like you said - at times it was half new material, half old..

Now, back then, the back catalogue was less than half of what it is now. So less other stuff to fit in - they were playing the best songs from AFD/Lies and new stuff.

Now, they have to play the best songs from AFD/Lies/UYI 1+2 and new songs, meaning less space for new stuff.

If you have been to see any band with an extensive back catalogue, you'll see them play 4/5 new songs, and the rest from the back catalogue.

Standard.

@#$%Funker

[kunzerd]

Lofton...

Your logic is crap...

UYI illusion tour didn't consist of only UYI songs, there were plenty of AFD songs played - like you said - at times it was half new material, half old..

Now, back then, the back catalogue was less than half of what it is now. So less other stuff to fit in - they were playing the best songs from AFD/Lies and new stuff.

Now, they have to play the best songs from AFD/Lies/UYI 1+2 and new songs, meaning less space for new stuff.

If you have been to see any band with an extensive back catalogue, you'll see them play 4/5 new songs, and the rest from the back catalogue.

Standard.

@#$%Funker

exactly what i was going with in my statement