Guitar playing on new tracks - your opinion?

[Woooo!]

Hmm I agree to a certain extent. I think Buckethead's solos are like just 'noise' rather than anything great. There is no emotion there. For example, when 'Better' begins the track is filled with emotion - you can tell this from the way Axl is singing and what he is singing about. The guitar playing is excellent and has an element of blues to it. Then it reaches the middle of the song and it's like... Buckethead has a solo, brilliant yes, but out of place. The solo just is all over the place and the song seems to lose sense of direction. Having said that I do enjoy the creativeness of the track but it needs a bit of work. Bear in mind this demo came from 3 years ago when Buckethead was still in the band. He left and the solo's may have been utterly reworked. Finck and Fortus have a less 'automatic' approach to playing guitar. They play like the are feeling the song and what it's about.

I think that they should lose Bucket's parts and don't make the other guitarists work in someone's shadow. It isn't fair but they do a good job. 

[Dont Try Me]

exactly how do you know that robin didnt play it

indeed, it is DEFENITELY robin finck, his trademark bends (this time in tune ) are all over it....

nice solo

that's not robin in a million years, obviously you have no ear what so ever to guitars, robin couldn't hold a bend like that in a million years, his style is sloppy, buckethead's style isn't. the problem is you guys only think of BH as a shredder and problably haven't heard his solo albums, but that's BH's trademarks all over, and not finck. there's some fast licks in there that go by way to smooth, robin couldn't do that. richard could, cuz he has way more technique.
but that's BH's tone, style, and licks. listen to electric tears. jeez

The solo, starting at 3:40 till 3:58 and the sliding part after it along the background vocals?? It definetly sounds like Finck to me, and yeah sure I don't have ear what so ever for guitar.... ha ha...your a funny dude..... if only you knew.... ?

"The problem with you guys.." No the problem with you is that......what....you think you know what I think?? You think that I think Bucket is just a schredder? You are clueless..... I have listened to most buckethead albums...... I think they are are boring as fuck..... I love however...Sketches In Spain...Too many Humans...... Whitches on Health...... but they get fucking boring after a while...... that's my opinion.... I never said Bucket is a mindless schredder........I love his playing...... just not everything....

I love Finck's playing....but just not everything....I put them in the same boat you see?

back on the subject of Bucket...you say "there's some fast licks in there that go by way to smooth, robin couldn't do that." Sure....... but the solo at 3:40 till 3:58 ?has Fincks hooks all over it.....hooks??? yes hooks the 'hook' I'm talking about is at 3.43 till 3.44...the slide part....sounds formiliar??? yep....listen to The Blues.....same style...same technique.

The sliding with the background vocals after that.....after the solo..... has the 'Patience' vibe all over it. You know Finck's solo of Patience?? Or whatched a video where he does it?? all sliding..plucking strings....same style.... the ending has Finck written all over it.

You think you know what I think but you have no idea.....by the way...the solo isn't that fast mind you.....it's a simple lick.....with a little practise my mom could pull it off... Does that take anything away from the solo?? naah..... I'm just making fun of your ignorant "you think everyone is bashing Bucket coz everyone thinks he is a Shredder" post..

You are clueless, stay that way thank you.

[MeanBone]

and your post was a waste of time.
inthe end i'll prove you wrong and you'll feel ashamed.. that's ok people like you, i mean you, only get it when it's on front of you.
and besides, i'm not even asking for validation for my own opinion, i know what i'm talking about, you just needed some more knowledge on the subject to understand what i was saying.
but hey try me. post that in BH's forum and see what they think.
i'm not even gonna bother to go any further on this... you can't argue with a brick wall now can you?

[Dont Try Me]

and your post was a waste of time.
inthe end i'll prove you wrong and you'll feel ashamed.. that's ok people like you, i mean you, only get it when it's on front of them.
and besides, i'm not even asking for validation for my own opinion, i know what i'm talking about, you just needed some more knowledge on the subject to understand what i was saying.
but hey try me. post that in BH's forum and see what they think.
i'm not even gonna bother to go any further on this... you can't argue with a brick wall now can you?

naah, my post isn't a waste of time... I felt quite good when I wrote it..thanks... Maybe just....maybe you'll prove me wrong.....and then....naah. I won't feel ashamed... I'll be the first to admit you I was wrong 

Your right about arguing with a brick wall.......useless......but your wall has some holes in it....according to.....me 

"i'm not even asking for validation for my own opinion, i know what i'm talking about, you just needed some more knowledge on the subject to understand what i was saying."

That's the scary part you wrote.....you see.....people who think they are always right....and think they can see and/ or read people minds.....plus think need more knowledge to 'get' it are usually the ones who will be proven wrong some day..... What happens when you close your eyes....think your right....or think you might know it all.....you might hit a brick wall. 

We'll see mate.. we'll see 

[MeanBone]

ok i'll give you this much. it may be robin. but for now that just sounds like BH to me.
hell i can't tell you you're wrong and you can't tell me i'm wrong since none of us were actually there when it was recorded, i think that BH you think otherwise. we'll see in the end... perhaps some band member can shed a light on the subject.

[nesquick]

Robin is GREAT. Buckethead is a a TERRIBLE desapointement...

[jarmo]

Robin is GREAT. Buckethead is a a TERRIBLE desapointement...

Really? You think that? I had no idea you had this opinion..... I always thought you were the biggest Buckethead supporter on the board. 



/jarmo

[Slipdisc]

Robin is GREAT. Buckethead is a a TERRIBLE desapointement...

Well, let's all be glad then that there's no such thing as a "desapointement"..... (or did this board suddenly go French on Jarmo?)

Glad to see that your spelling finally caught up with your fresh arguments.

-PEACE-

[elmaestro]

Unlike most of you I'm not able to tell for sure who plays which solo on the new songs:
Sure I can pick out most of Bucket's parts, but he's capable of so much more than only shredding. For those who don't know what I'm talking about go listen to 'Colma', if that doesn't convince you I don't know what will!?

In fact it doesn't really matter to me who plays which solo: to me it all fits together perfectly!
I love 'Better' because of the many surprises it throws at the listener, it's something different and I think it's great that the boys are experimenting with this kind of sound!

Keeping in mind that these are demos and everything might have changed by now?!
Hell maybe Bucket is back for all we know: I know I wouldn't mind. The guy is very talented. Period!

[jmapelian]

Why does Slash have to be brought into every thread. This thread is about Bucketheads playing on the new songs. You can't speculate what Slash would have sounded like etc etc etc.. he's long gone and won't be coming back..

I really hope Buckethead comes back. He suits the songs so well and is just awesome. I'm sure Axl could do it without him but the stuff I've heard has just really opened my eyes to how good he is.

Last I checked, bucket's not in the band either.....so how ridiculous is that saying how great his work is and he left the band two years ago.

As for Slash, yeah, people are idiots but Slash's playing is what got alot of people into Guns in the 1st place, just as much as Axl

[mikegiuliana]

It just seems like the riffs are like 3 power chords, I mean? I was expecting flesh eating monster riffs that make u want to bash your head against a wall.

I still am not a Finck fan, I may get flamed for this but I personally know about 3 guitar player's on this board *Myself included* who solo better than Robin Finck.

so far I have seen zero reasons for three guitar players, plus the intros are nothing special, no known anthem riff you instantly know like wttj or scom

[Mikkamakka]

Very poor guitar work. BH's IRS solo is great and that's it. Not a single good riff to remember. GN'R is no longer a guitar band.

[SADIS]

I'm still wondering what that vision of Axl is?

Except that the guitar work sounds pretty mediocre to me. What is it Axl wanted to do that he couldn't do without Slash? So far I can only hear that it misses Slash (or misses a good guitar player).

Well, maybe he wanted te make songs without a rock vibe?

Love the songs, I really do. But I miss the vocals complementing the guitars and the other way around. There's no chemistry between guitar and vocals....

[D]

Yeah but Power Chords are usually played during vocals etc but they instead of riffs its like we get a chord progression.


I expected Bucket and Finck and fortus to play unconventionally, alternate tunings, very melodic moving parts.

I mean the music could be Green Day for fuck's sake.

yes, maybe, but D.......these are just a couple of demo's........and from what I can hear those demo's are very different from eachother......a melting pot.....some of the things don't work really well and some other demo's do work..... Who knows how much they evolved....Bucket's gone.......who knows what Axl did with his parts......

Don't worry about it. I really still expect Finck to pull off something like he did at the start of Paradise City, you know, that weird yet moving solo / semi-rhythm part? Dunno if you dig that but that was brilliant really....... I really want something like that to be on the album, pure geniousness, unconventional....

I'm sure seeing the demo's, that something like it will be on the album....why? I expect every song to be very very different. Some may have nu-metall influences, some classic Gn'R, moodswings,

we've just heard three demo's...... we are not sure what makes the album and what doesn't.....for all we know axl may have planned "Better" to be put on the follow up...... no clue.....

I just love whole circus feel on these songs.......Never heard anything like this quite before..... I listened to the Better demo million times already and keep discovering amazing licks and the like.....and then....there's this Finck solo which I even dig more then the whole bag of tricks Bucket comes with....it's all in the game......everyone haves their favorite part from a song......that's the amazing thing about it..... There's so much influences in it that you can't love all the parts but there's for everyone something to pick out and love...... hmm, hope that makes sense. 

yeah but did u hear Finck's solo before SCOM?

What the fuck was that?

[mikegiuliana]

Love the songs, I really do. But I miss the vocals complementing the guitars and the other way around. There's no chemistry between guitar and vocals....

that's how I feel...... I still give the irs solo it's props though

[Dont Try Me]

Yeah but Power Chords are usually played during vocals etc but they instead of riffs its like we get a chord progression.


I expected Bucket and Finck and fortus to play unconventionally, alternate tunings, very melodic moving parts.

I mean the music could be Green Day for fuck's sake.

yes, maybe, but D.......these are just a couple of demo's........and from what I can hear those demo's are very different from eachother......a melting pot.....some of the things don't work really well and some other demo's do work..... Who knows how much they evolved....Bucket's gone.......who knows what Axl did with his parts......

Don't worry about it. I really still expect Finck to pull off something like he did at the start of Paradise City, you know, that weird yet moving solo / semi-rhythm part? Dunno if you dig that but that was brilliant really....... I really want something like that to be on the album, pure geniousness, unconventional....

I'm sure seeing the demo's, that something like it will be on the album....why? I expect every song to be very very different. Some may have nu-metall influences, some classic Gn'R, moodswings,

we've just heard three demo's...... we are not sure what makes the album and what doesn't.....for all we know axl may have planned "Better" to be put on the follow up...... no clue.....

I just love whole circus feel on these songs.......Never heard anything like this quite before..... I listened to the Better demo million times already and keep discovering amazing licks and the like.....and then....there's this Finck solo which I even dig more then the whole bag of tricks Bucket comes with....it's all in the game......everyone haves their favorite part from a song......that's the amazing thing about it..... There's so much influences in it that you can't love all the parts but there's for everyone something to pick out and love...... hmm, hope that makes sense.?

yeah but did u hear Finck's solo before SCOM?

What the fuck was that?

Nothing too special........maybe part of a song...........same thing could be said about axl's piano solo thingy.......maybe part of something grand......but I agree Finck's solo before scom was a bit strange......unless he knows something we don't....... by the way.....some of Bucket tricks you hear on Better he did at Leeds 2002 when he got a solo spot.. part of a song.....

[D]

I wonder if the guitar interlude thing that Finck and bucket did during the tour is a song on CD?

Finck is a good rhythm player but I just dont like his solos.  His IRS solo is pointless.

[Dont Try Me]

I wonder if the guitar interlude thing that Finck and bucket did during the tour is a song on CD?

Finck is a good rhythm player but I just dont like his solos.? His IRS solo is pointless.

hmm dunno mate..... I kinda like his IRS solo...... nothing really great...but ok.... I think it add's 'some' feeling to the song..... I like his little intro solo on IRS too....so it fits with that...

 I thought robin's solo on it is better then the eruption from bucket under Axl's wail.... but that's personal taste I guess....... The hard thing is........we can't fully decide yet about Finck's capabilities cause we haven't got a clue what the guy did on the album..... I think he will earn much respect from us all when the songs are released.....there's much people sitting on the fence....

[D]

I love Bucket's IRS solo, that gives me chill bumps.


I wonder how old these demos are though?

[Dont Try Me]

I love Bucket's IRS solo, that gives me chill bumps.


I wonder how old these demos are though?

good question......maybe.....like.... umm...4 years old?? 2002? must be since Bucket left since..... I'm kinda hoping Axl re-recorded bucket parts cause he aint returning..... with tommy wishing he shitted in his bucket....?

So there's a couple of possibilities......

1. axl re-recorded bucket's stuff with Richards.....or Finck..... so they can pull it off live correctly.....and maybe they'll add a third new guitar player along the way for the fun....an extra show element......
2. axl kept bucket parts.....then there is a problem..... there's so much questions......drives me nuts