Guitar playing on new tracks - your opinion?

[Dead N' Bloated]

I love Richards solo in Think about You, and Robin goes off in November Rain. I didnt like buckets attempt at the old stuff but his solos in the new shit are goor. I think Robin is one of the best guitarist I've ever heard and he is a great asset to this band.


 

[WhatIsItMan]

The guitar is awesome in TWAT.  Very 'Slashish'.  Bad ass how it follows Axl's vocal there for a while.

[littlewing]

I agree with both assessments....and as for IRS, the solo is unreal and I dig the intro, but the guitar throughout the rest of the song is VERY standard, doesn't impress me much.

I think overall the guitar work is better then what most bands have out there today though.  You don't hear killer guitar solos anymore!!!

I take it with a grain of salt that these are demos every time I listen to them. Arrangements change. I've heard demos of Smells Like Teen Spirit that sound nothing like the song on Nevermind. Better has a lot of potential and it's possible that the arrangement we have now will be obsolete by the time the album is out. There's also going to be an energy level that's present on the final track that may not be there on a demo.

It's good to hear some solos from these guys in the context of the new songs. I didn't like a lot of the playing from the tour simply because you have people who are put into someone else's song and have to walk that line of doing their own thing while trying to remain true to the original. I'm looking forward to hearing more of the epic kind of solos the band was known for and that's been demonstrated, at least in my opinion, with the demos - TWAT specifically.

[GNFNR_UK]

As others have said the solo's ae great, especially TWAT the solos in that are spine chillingly amazing! As for the riffs, I believe they're good enough. I love the riff from 'Chinese Democracy' itself, the whole rhythm section in the song is amazing, bass, drums, guitar everything!

As for Finck and solo's. Live I didn't think he was that good, kinda sloppy at times but 'The Blues' solo is great and on my Albany DVD he does the Sweet Child solo amazingly!

[Saul]

In the words of jimmy fallon after the VMA's "buckethead did his job" 

[FlashFlood]

It just seems like the riffs are like 3 power chords, I mean  I was expecting flesh eating monster riffs that make u want to bash your head against a wall.

I still am not a Finck fan, I may get flamed for this but I personally know about 3 guitar player's on this board *Myself included* who solo better than Robin Finck.

have you ever listened to sosseggo? i personally think he does a tremendous job. the thing is, he simply isnt a shredder. he has a way of making you move though.

[ElNonoPololo]

Like you said D, pretty average. ?:-\I was really dissapointed with the guitar playing in the demos. Well, to be specific, I didn?t like how the guitars interact- or, to put it in another way, how they DON?T. AFD was an orgy of guitar playing, Izzy and Slash just played off each other so fucking much... That?s gone. It?s also absent on Contraband, as far as I?m concerned, but that?s a different topic altogether.

The solo on IRS I kinda liked, but it isn?t very memorable, it?s good while the song?s playing and nothing more.

The lead guitar on TWAT IS awesome, though. I can?t get the first solo out of my head, truly a Slash- quality solo. (And I?m a HUGE Slash fan!)

Hopefully the album won?t sound like the demos; although by now that?s a given. C?mon Axl, you tried 1909 guitar playears to play POWER CHORDS??

[D]

the rhythm is kinda missing.

the slinky danceable grooves arent on these demos, the drum playing is mediocre, the guitar playing doesnt mesh well with one another.

Axl makes them album great though but the music is somewhat disappointing at times.

[jmapelian]

very, very average; power cords and shedded solo's, and very disjointed

compared to what's out today, yeah, better than most

compared to who they replaced, well, that would be just unfair b/c they can't

[benchiefjr]

the rhythm is kinda missing.

the slinky danceable grooves arent on these demos, the drum playing is mediocre, the guitar playing doesnt mesh well with one another.

Axl makes them album great though but the music is somewhat disappointing at times.

Again, they're still demos...

[FlashFlood]

the rhythm is not that great by any means, but you people that are complaining about playing power chords: did you expect axl to invent some new type of guitar or something? just because power chords are basic doesnt mean they are innefective. for instance, I think the rhythm in better isn't memorable, but it definitely is effective and moves the song along very well. obviously a little innovation wouldnt hurt, but its really tough to play rhythm without power chords.

that being said the best rhythm that we have heard in the demos is definitely the accoustic part behind the first solo in twat. very basic again, but powerful.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Very good on TWAT.  These aren't really guitar driven songs.  The intro on "Better" is really cool, there's some great solos on TWAT and Bucket's short solo at the end of IRS is perfect for the song.  Chinese Democracy has a riff I really liked.  But songs like Madagascar, The Blues, TWAT, they aren't really guitar driven.  This isn't bluesy hard rock like the old band was, clearly that wasn't the intention here.  But I came to expect this years ago so I'm not disappointed, as I've been saying it's just a different kind of music than they used to make

[D]

Yeah but Power Chords are usually played during vocals etc but they instead of riffs its like we get a chord progression.


I expected Bucket and Finck and fortus to play unconventionally, alternate tunings, very melodic moving parts.

I mean the music could be Green Day for fuck's sake.

[SWINGTRADER]

we need to clone slash.

[FlashFlood]

Yeah but Power Chords are usually played during vocals etc but they instead of riffs its like we get a chord progression.


I expected Bucket and Finck and fortus to play unconventionally, alternate tunings, very melodic moving parts.

I mean the music could be Green Day for fuck's sake.

whoa whoa whoa whoaaaaa please please please

let us not speak such blasphemy!

anybody that can play a minor pentatonic scale can play better than green day!

but i get what your saying.

[jmapelian]

Where on AFD do you hear power chords over Axl's singing.....riffs, riffs, fills, fils, leads, outro's....no power chords all the time....don't go there

[D]

Did I say there were Power Chords on AFD?

IM talkin bout the demos we've heard.

instead of killer riffs its a green Dayish chord progression.


the music is like GD with solo's.

thats why Im somewhat disappointed with the music.

[FlashFlood]

Where on AFD do you hear power chords over Axl's singing.....riffs, riffs, fills, fils, leads, outro's....no power chords all the time....don't go there

heh?

[The Dog]

It just seems like the riffs are like 3 power chords, I mean  I was expecting flesh eating monster riffs that make u want to bash your head against a wall.

I still am not a Finck fan, I may get flamed for this but I personally know about 3 guitar player's on this board *Myself included* who solo better than Robin Finck.

have you ever listened to sosseggo? i personally think he does a tremendous job. the thing is, he simply isnt a shredder. he has a way of making you move though.

I love Sosseggo.....and I think you sum up Fincks playing to a T.  nice way of putting it.  If you watch the Rio performance of Sosseggo, even Finck is grooving out.  Dare i say the word....hes "danceable"??  

[RnT]

I think the situation is bad after these leaks, IMO:

1. Axl have to "prove" to fans that GNR could keep going with just him leading the new band, you know, that he can do it without the old guys (this he have to "prove" even to the midia)

2. This album have to be BETTER than AFD, all the singles have to be BETTER than the old singles,if the album, even with the sound not "old GNR", is "just" great like AFD, he will hear "nah, this the old guys can do, why try to do this alone? see, he tried and failed, is not the best GNR album" you know?

and now:

3. His own fans will compare the studio versions without Buckethead?s parts to the classic GNR sound, classic Slash sound, and now will compare even with the DEMOS, IF Robin and Richard re-recorded these leaked demos, they will have to be as good as the Buckethead?s solos