Overproduction / Production of CD

[Axl8302]

in my opinion underproduction wouldn't work for gn'r in 2006, appetite was raw but it had a very definite production to it.

[Smoking Guns]

I am listening to Contraband right now really loud.  I must say, the new GNR songs are awesome, but at the same time make Contraband sound better.  GNR songs are beautiful, well structured, very busy, great vocals (Twat, Better), but the music of Contraband is pretty dam hard and in your face.  Matt's drumming really stands out.  I am not comparing CD to Contraband, but am saying, so far, that VR seems to be a much harder, more rocking band.  That does not mean they are better, but the chemistry between Matt, Duff, and Slash is like a well oiled machine that I have yet to hear from the new GNR material.  I love Twat, and think I will love Better, but, take away vocals from both, and I give the nod to VR. 

[jimmythegent]

I found the following quote from the Trunk interview very interesting

"I think there are all types of different ways to do it, I mean you can definitley overproduce it and make it too perfect that it's a nightmare and it makes it sterile."

I recall several debates on this forum about 'overproduction' - some regarding whether or not 'overproduction' exists at all. I guess the person who sparked those debates agrees with those of us who feel it's a very real and possible thing.

Furthermore, it's encouraging to hear Axl holds this view, as it was something concerning the fate of CD that I was worried about

[JustWckd]

Axl: I think that there all types of different ways to do it, I mean you can definitely overproduce it and make it too perfect that it's a nightmare and it makes it sterile. Or you can use a little bit of everything. You can push it every way possible using the technology and doing it, everything you can do. We.... the only thing you have heard has been the leaks but there's different things where its just like.... I don't like to stretch things with Pro Tools or anything like that. I don't like that kind of cheating...


I think that sums up everything most of us have been worrying about.  Hopefully.... 

[duga]

Axl: I think that there all types of different ways to do it, I mean you can definitely overproduce it and make it too perfect that it's a nightmare and it makes it sterile. Or you can use a little bit of everything. You can push it every way possible using the technology and doing it, everything you can do. We.... the only thing you have heard has been the leaks but there's different things where its just like.... I don't like to stretch things with Pro Tools or anything like that. I don't like that kind of cheating...


I think that sums up everything most of us have been worrying about.? Hopefully....?

Yes, it sounds very promising.

[Nighteyes]

I wish i could here these raw tracks........It sounds really rocky

You can hear a few of them like Don't damn me and Don't Cry on the net.

Where? 

[ironfin]

UYI was imho overproduced. I have heard the demos of Nov Rain, Dont Cry, the Garden, Bad Ob and a few more and they actually sound better. A rock album sounds better when it is raw. Nevermind by Nirvana is a good example of a rock album thats been overproduced.

However I am not concerned about the new album being overproduced because electronic/synth music sounds better with top production - you dont really get raw "Death in Vegas" style production. I am convinced that the production on the new album will be appropriate.

[Lucky]

In G&R world, any production is good production

[jimb0]

I just downloaded the illusions outakes. ?And some of that shit sounds a million times better than on illusions. ?For instance Don't Damn Me, and the Garden of Eden. ?I'd rather listen to those than the album personally.

[Nighteyes]

^
Where can I find them?

[jimb0]

seedler.org search for guns n' roses

[Hatts]

Real quick appetite wasn't a completly unpolished album.  I think you could say that there are parts on appetite that were over produced.  If you listen to "paradise city" for ex. at the beginning the vocals are overdubbed all over the place.  It's cool but super overproduced.  I don't think production is a bad thing at all.  I really love the illusion albums but i do have to say there are parts were I don't understand why these parts are in there.

Ex.
1.  Knockin on heavens door-the whole phone conversation that del james did?

2.  Pretty Tied up- All of that talking shit in the song.  "Cool ranch dressing"

3.  Breakdown- The part at the end where axl does that spoken word thing, "there goes the challenger being chased .........The demi god..........the last american hero."

If anyone can explain any of this i would really be grateful.



Hatts