Overproduction / Production of CD

[Skeletor]

I wish i could here these raw tracks........It sounds really rocky

You can hear a few of them like Don't damn me and Don't Cry on the net.

-Which are both awesome by the way. I love the end of Don't Damn Me, where Axl goes something like "Rock n' roll, everybody in the house! How ya doin' tonight! Alrite!!"
Always cracks me up..

[duga]

I wish i could here these raw tracks........It sounds really rocky

You can hear a few of them like Don't damn me and Don't Cry on the net.

-Which are both awesome by the way. I love the end of Don't Damn Me, where Axl goes something like "Rock n' roll, everybody in the house! How ya doin' tonight! Alrite!!"
Always cracks me up..

Hmm... I've only heard Don't damn me-demo without Axl singing. Guess I have to search again.

[Dont Try Me]

Where do I start. Aah yes. I've made some comments on sounding "dated" explaining the word is just bullshit. It reminded me of the word
"overproduction" which is in the same category too me.

Let's take The Use Your Illusions albums for example. Those albums are great. Realy amazing and the songs on it kicks ass. Yet there are people who call it "overproduced". That is not true at all. So what.... There are allot of "bells and whistles" added to songs such as Coma and November Rain. But the same thing goes for Appetite For Destruction. Listen closely and you hear lots of similar stuff too. The UYI are meant to be what they are. It is complicated, it is different, it is brilliant and it rocks.

To the people who are afraid of "overproduction" on Chinese Democracy have gotten it all wrong. You see. From Appetite for Destruction album to the Use Your Illusions was a big step. They sound so different and each cary different beauty on them.

From the UYI to Chinese Democracy will be a big step too. We've all heard Madagascar, The Blues and Chinese Democracy for examples of what the direction might be. Fact is that those songs are as fresh and interesting as possible. You ever heard something similar to those? I didn't. Yes, there are resemblings from The Use Your Illusions and Appetite. Resemblings to the writing skills of Axl Rose. Not only lyrically but also melody-wise. It will be exciting and new both for Axl and for the fans. It is Guns N' Roses. Just wait and see.

[Hammy]

Where do I start. Aah yes. I've made some comments on sounding "dated" explaining the word is just bullshit. It reminded me of the word
"overproduction" which is in the same category too me.

Let's take The Use Your Illusions albums for example. Those albums are great. Realy amazing and the songs on it kicks ass. Yet there are people who call it "overproduced". That is not true at all. So what.... There are allot of "bells and whistles" added to songs such as Coma and November Rain. But the same thing goes for Appetite For Destruction. Listen closely and you hear lots of similar stuff too. The UYI are meant to be what they are. It is complicated, it is different, it is brilliant and it rocks.

To the people who are afraid of "overproduction" on Chinese Democracy have gotten it all wrong. You see. From Appetite for Destruction album to the Use Your Illusions was a big step. They sound so different and each cary different beauty on them.

From the UYI to Chinese Democracy will be a big step too. We've all heard Madagascar, The Blues and Chinese Democracy for examples of what the direction might be. Fact is that those songs are as fresh and interesting as possible. You ever heard something similar to those? I didn't. Yes, there are resemblings from The Use Your Illusions and Appetite. Resemblings to the writing skills of Axl Rose. Not only lyrically but also melody-wise. It will be exciting and new both for Axl and for the fans. It is Guns N' Roses. Just wait and see.

Yeah only problem is they were fresh tracks when previewed but it's been so long they ain't 'new' or 'fresh' to die-hard GN'R fans and i know people always say they will sound different in the studio but they won't be that different, if the album ended up being a 12 track then we've effectively heard a 1/4 already

[Voodoochild]

Yeah only problem is they were fresh tracks when previewed but it's been so long they ain't 'new' or 'fresh' to die-hard GN'R fans and i know people always say they will sound different in the studio but they won't be that different, if the album ended up being a 12 track then we've effectively heard a 1/4 already

Ok, so you not believe in Axl's word about the 18 tracks and 10 extra-tracks. That's fine. But why don't you believe that it's not that wise to put out 1/4 of the record that we, die-hard fans, already know? You know, Axl didn't wanted to play any other new songs just for save the interesting in the record. So, I guess we'll hear as much new songs as possible.
About what Dont Try Me wrote: I think you're 100% right. It's not like all the producers would let Axl (if he would be that stupid) overproduce the stuff to make the album sound like shit. It's not like he's trying to make the same Illusions sound. He wants to move on, and this is not easy at all. I guess he's trying to put a record that will be cool to both die-hard old gnr fans and all the open-minded and younger fans. Maybe that's why he just didn't played Silk Worms in 2002 and Rhiad in the USA tour (btw, Rhiad rocks!).

[GNR_Green]

The UYI are meant to be what they are. It is complicated, it is different, it is brilliant and it rocks.

True.  I actually think the production is about right, I might just tinker with one or two things if I could.

My only problem with the production on all GN'R albums is that they're very 'bass-light'.  I know for sure that Duff is playing some heavy bass but it doesn't come out due to production or mixing or whatever.  I would love to hear remasters if the band could agree on someone to do it right, but that won't happen.  I wouldn't be too keen on some record company bloke helping himself and changing it without the band input.

[Izzy]

Production wise i think the albums are all perfect.

They all sound great to me.

[matt88]

Yeah i think all the albums are produced perfectly and to suit the style of the albums

[kockstar99]

no complaints from me either... they all rock as they are... even Spagetti....

[matt88]

no complaints from me either... they all rock as they are... even Spagetti....

Yeah spaghetti has a really good vibe to it 2

[MoonMax]

And again.... Can someone tell me, what that overproducion thing is?? What does it mean? It's too loud, to quiet, wrong volume balance, or too many instruments, toi crazy instruments or too many computer filters?? What? Was OH MY GOD overproduced? In my opnion it was produced bad, that's all.

If it comes to old material, I used to it's sound. But for example Appetitte, well, I like the remastered version from GH. Use Your... are just fine, thought I would sound even better if it was recoreded nowadays.


Cheers

MoonMax

 

[MadmanDan]

The UYI songs are not "overproduced".They are just some very elaborated pieces of music. Is Led Zeppelin "overproduced"? Is Pink Floyd overproduced??? They both have complicated music,with lots of weirn noises and special effects,but they sound magnificent.

[Ted Nugent]

It's not really that surprising that we as fans are happy with the production on UYI because if we didn't like the albums then we wouldn't be fans.

The complaint that UYI was over produced was a consistant one in all the reviews that I read just after UYI was released.  This wasn't just one hack journalist with a grudge, it seemed to be the prevailing opinion of most of the reviewers in the mainstream music press.

I do worry about CD being over produced.  Axl is an amazingly talented guy but the problem that Axl has is that he doesn't seem to know when to stop.  Someone once said that a great album isn't finished, it is abandoned.  

It's never going to happen but ideally Axl should pick up the phone and call Izzy.  He would be an asset in writing any songs that need work and he would probably help speed up the whole process.

[POPmetal]

The complaint that UYI was over produced was a consistant one in all the reviews that I read just after UYI was released.  This wasn't just one hack journalist with a grudge, it seemed to be the prevailing opinion of most of the reviewers in the mainstream music press.

Problem is that just about every music critic IS a hack journalist, and out of those most do hold a grudge against Axl.

And why should hack journalists' opinions count any more than fans' opinions? Clearly there were a lot more music fans who liked UYI than there were critics who thought it was "overproduced", and GN'R rightfully did what the fans wanted. Why should they do music for the "mainstream music press" ? If that's what you want, you have plenty of options in all the hip bands who like to 'follow the post-Nirvana progression.' GN'R was always about the fans. The reason we love them is cuz they don't give a fuck about the critics and the "mainstream music press." I don't see why this should change.

Whatever! I'm still waiting for a post that tells me what the whole "overproduced" thing is about.

[Booker Floyd]

Overproduction could be many things...for example "The Blues".  We could very well see the remarkable Rio III version saturated with sappy synths for the album rendition.  Many would call this unnecessary, and downright detrimental, addition overproduction.

The same could go for a song like "Perfect Crime".  What should have been a dirty, raw rocker is glistening with cheesy effects.  Or overproduction could be manifested in overly clean/effected guitars or instruments.  It could be vocals drenched with effects (the dreaded of all - the vocoder).  It could be keyboards or horns.  It could simply be sound effects, or superflous vocals ("Knockin' On Heavens Door," "Breakdown").

[POPmetal]

Overproduction could be many things...for example "The Blues".  We could very well see the remarkable Rio III version saturated with sappy synths for the album rendition.  Many would call this unnecessary, and downright detrimental, addition overproduction.

The same could go for a song like "Perfect Crime".  What should have been a dirty, raw rocker is glistening with cheesy effects.  Or overproduction could be manifested in overly clean/effected guitars or instruments.  It could be vocals drenched with effects (the dreaded of all - the vocoder).  It could be keyboards or horns.  It could simply be sound effects, or superflous vocals ("Knockin' On Heavens Door," "Breakdown").

That's just your opinion, but I respect that.

[Dont Try Me]

Overproduction could be many things...for example "The Blues".  We could very well Bosee the remarkable Rio III version saturated with sappy synths for the album rendition.  Many would call this unnecessary, and downright detrimental, addition overproduction.

The same could go for a song like "Perfect Crime".  What should have been a dirty, raw rocker is glistening with cheesy effects.  Or overproduction could be manifested in overly clean/effected guitars or instruments.  It could be vocals drenched with effects (the dreaded of all - the vocoder).  It could be keyboards or horns.  It could simply be sound effects, or superflous vocals ("Knockin' On Heavens Door," "Breakdown").

That's just your opinion, but I respect that.

Yes, it his his opinion but he is right as well. Therefor "overproduction" is just a fairy tail which is 100% opinion based.

[Hung Well]

The problem I have with the production of the UYI's is that they sound way too clean.  

Listen to AFD.  The instruments and Axl's vocals are just much more raw.  That separated GNR from most artists of the time.  Then they took a step back with the UYI's and its cleaned-up production.  All the sudden GNR sounded like they hired Poison's or Cinderella's production team to do their next album.

What is ironic is that when UYI came out, the trend was shifting back toward rawer production (with Nirvana and Pearl Jam leading the way)--something Axl/GNR had done years ago but abandoned with the Illusions.

[Pinball Wizard]

It will be exciting and new both for Axl and for the fans. It is Guns N' Roses. Just wait and see.

Yeah, I already see: I'm with my 86 years old (I have 17), my grandchildrens with his 25 years old, buying the Chinese Democracy...Will be exciting hear, or try to hear (I will have 86 years old...must be deaf...) the whole album...I CAN'T WAIT!!!

[duga]

The problem I have with the production of the UYI's is that they sound way too clean.  

Listen to AFD.  The instruments and Axl's vocals are just much more raw.  That separated GNR from most artists of the time.  Then they took a step back with the UYI's and its cleaned-up production.  All the sudden GNR sounded like they hired Poison's or Cinderella's production team to do their next album.

What is ironic is that when UYI came out, the trend was shifting back toward rawer production (with Nirvana and Pearl Jam leading the way)--something Axl/GNR had done years ago but abandoned with the Illusions.

I think that the production is 100% for being a record recorded <1991. Everything including Matt's drumming is perfect. Maybe Izzy's guitar should have been a bit louder, but that was more Axl's fault?