Would Velvet Have Done Better With Josh Todd?

[ShotgunBlues1978]

Josh Todd doesnt sell records or tickets.

the buckcherry songs ive heard have no substance whatsoever and I cant relate to any of it.

 

What substance did any of the songs on AFD have, really?  Most of them were about getting fucked up and saying fuck you to everyone, some lovesongs thrown in.  And that album is the standard to which most GnR fans hold them in everything they do.  Josh Todd fits more perfectly into that attitude and style than Weiland.

Check Your Head off Buckcherry's first album probably has more substance than anything on AFD.  This isn't a knock against AFD, but it's a strictly sex, drugs and rock n roll album, heady subject matter isn't its strong point

[ShotgunBlues1978]

I dont agree Rob.

Commercial Success and how many records u sale and how many hits u have matters and is a great measuring stick.

how can u be a great frontman if people think u suck and dont buy your shit?

that makes no sense.

I've yet to come across anyone who thinks Todd sucks.  A lot of people don't know who he is.  This has as much to do with marketing and label politics as anything else.  Buckcherry is a throwback to Sunset Strip rock, and debuted in an era when there wasn't much market for their type of music.  The only album they released on a major label that got any push did go gold and sold respectably.  This was in 1999, when their style of music wasn't that popular.  GnR's Live Era, released the same year, sold worse than Buckcherry's album did.

If anyone's logic's skewed, it's yours.  Buckcherry's debut album sold as well or better than the recent albums released by Slash, Duff, and Weiland before they formed VR.  VR still would've sold records with Josh Todd, maybe he wasn't as well known before the band, but VR received a huge push from RCA and the songs with Todd would've been more reminiscent of old GnR than VR. 

There are many great bands that never achieved huge commercial success.  Just take a look at Hanoi Rocks, whose punk-blues rock fusion and glam image, combined with better music than most of their peers, should've resulted in more commercial success and album sales than they had.  Now do you really believe that Bret Michael and CC Deville are better than Michael Monroe and Andy McCoy?  They sold a lot more records afterall

[Super-Ecwfan1]

               Everyone wonders why Velvet Revolver was able to sell so well..you had 2 groups who merged to buy that album for the most part. There was ex-STP fans and ex-G'n'R fans. Buckcherry as others pointed out haven't had the push and exposure a Velvet Revolver has had. No VH1 specials , MTV "Behind the Video " or Behind the Music special to sell albums ! But I will say this..." 15 " ranks up there beside "Contraband " as an album. Plus Buckcherry has more tunes thats playable compared to VR.


                           
                             

[D]

If i had to have a Poison Greatest Hits or a Hanoi Rocks Greatest hits, u are damn right Id take Poison.

Poison are considered a joke now for whatever reasons but they had some alright songs.


whats so special about Mike Monroe?

[Falcon]

 
Now do you really believe that Bret Michael and CC Deville are better than Michael Monroe and

Andy McCoy?  They sold a lot more records afterall

If i had to have a Poison Greatest Hits or a Hanoi Rocks Greatest hits, u are damn right Id take Poison.

Poison are considered a joke now for whatever reasons but they had some alright songs.

whats so special about Mike Monroe?

Reel it in fellas, keep it on topic please.

[1987]

for all the weiland fans bashing buckcherry for not being able to write songs... could someone please tell me what the hell wieland is talking about in this verse?

Hands are shakin got your finger on the trigger
Jesus ain't complainin gonna figure it out
Somebody raped my tapeworm abortion
Come on motherfuckers and deliver the cow

i think more sensible things have come out helen keller's mouth.. i'll take a song about sex, drugs or rock n roll over that crap any day..  infact that verse... might be the worst verse in any song ever.. what a waste of great music created by slash and the boys

[JDA]

End this dumbass thread.  Please!!

[Neemo]

for all the weiland fans bashing buckcherry for not being able to write songs... could someone please tell me what the hell wieland is talking about in this verse?

Weiland writes about things and usually there are a few topics all combined together in a song. Only Weiland knows what it truely means and i think he said he enyos seeing what meanings others find in his songs (I think it was him anyway ) ...my guess is that his withdrawl from drugs is a big part of that verse

dive into it man disect the lyrics you'll be amazed with the symbolism Scott portrays, unless, of course, you enjoy the blatant lyrics Todd throws out....to each their own

[blueshamrok]

I love Weiland's voice, as well as Todd's. Weiland is a better frontman IMO. Hey, just for shits and giggles, what would VR sound like with, who I feel is though has one of the most amazing voices...Chris Robinson? lol, i know, i know.

[moreblack]

I liked Josh Todd better when he was in the Black Crowes and his name was CHRIS ROBINSON.

[Neemo]

I was excited for Travis Meeks being the frontman and would like to actually hear that audition someday....but Weiland is a perfect fit

[Falcon]

I liked Josh Todd better when he was in the Black Crowes and his name was CHRIS ROBINSON.

Hmmm, one born and bred in the OC and the the other about as southern fried as Colonel Sanders..

[Super-Ecwfan1]

If i had to have a Poison Greatest Hits or a Hanoi Rocks Greatest hits, u are damn right Id take Poison.

Poison are considered a joke now for whatever reasons but they had some alright songs.


whats so special about Mike Monroe?

               I've never really heard Hanoi Rocks so no clue really. I do have Posion's Greatest Hits.

                     Josh Todd just seems a natural. If I was Axl and he does intend to do a US Tour , I'd get Buckcherry to open. Because I'd love to here an Axl/Josh song togethor.

[Super-Ecwfan1]

                         According to Blabbermouth.net Buckcherry has signed with Atlantic Records and they plan to push them heavy. The president claims that it was a good signing for the Label and showed that with what little exposure Buckcherry has gained a following with its release of " 15 ".

[da_pope]

^^
Ya I actually hear Crazy Bitch regularly on the Radio these days.
There's some great songs on 15 that would be awesome singles... My personal favorite is Brooklyn. Carousel is perfect for a single... Hell, anything is good except for Next 2 You which is a blatant rip off of that Jet song.

[DMJ]

seems like weiland was only good for 2 albums in his career core and purple, since then he became gay and repetetive
im home im wrong and he will surprise us in the next album, but i doubt it

[moreblack]

seems like Weiland was good for more than 2 albums because No.4 and Tiny Music were awesome albums too, as was his solo CD, whether they got airplay or not.

[1987]

i always thought that josh todd would have been the best fit for vr.. but after seing Bas on stage with axl last night.. i'm convinced Bas would have been the best choice.. he was unreal.. i thought he even out shined axl during the duet..

[raven12]

          So after meticulously reading through all eight pages of this thread, i think i can talk about a few things. Number One , i'm not really sure about the ages of those on this board so maybe there is a generational gap here, since when does rock radio give anyone artistic credibility, not bashing stp for their radio play, but if vr chose someone like chad kroeger, the enitre knowledgable music community would take it as a joke. Not trying to offend any nickelback fans, but all they try to do is get radio airplay. And about buckcherry, i love 15, and there other records, but all they are is a sex, drugs, and rock and roll band. nothing they write is profound, just kick ass rock, kinda like ac/dc, at least on afd gnr showed glimpses of lyrical brilliance on a deep level, buckcherry couldn't even begin to write a song with the honesty of scom.
          Another thing that kinda irks me, the way people will defend scott, the man is a shadow of his former self, look at some pics from the 90's, he was the kinda guy you didnt wanna look at wrong, and rehab or not all he seems like now is a heroine addicted skeleton, with a decent voice, but none of the recordings off contraband came close to the vocal performance on the first few stp albums.  Contraband wasn't nearly as dynamic or musically solid as afd, and while i know the jury kinda hangs on uyi, almost everything on there is good in someway, I think if anything the outrageous videos turned off most people. I hope libertad shows some musical growth while still rocking the shit outta my speakers, but i really doubt it, i mean honestly, pharrell, thats great for snoop, but a rock band, not really sure what they will gain out that, if they got someone like rick rubin, who not only turns shit into gold, look at the chili peppers, they could really grow, until they change, slash will always be axl's axeman, and scott they guy who fucked up one of the greatest alt/grunge bands off the nineties.
       i know this is kinda sprawling but i just wanted to say a few more things. Mike Patton from fnm is amazing, and to further my earlier point, who cares if hes on the radio or mtv.
i love stp gnr vr fnr and buckcherry
peace out
raven

[jabba2]

i always thought that josh todd would have been the best fit for vr.. but after seing Bas on stage with axl last night.. i'm convinced Bas would have been the best choice.. he was unreal.. i thought he even out shined axl during the duet..

Dont you think Baz was cheesy doing the head banging and holding his clenched fist in the air while singing? He has all the moves of Steel Dragon from Rock Star. Not very original there.