Would Velvet Have Done Better With Josh Todd?

[mrlee]

BC did sell tons of records and they are big...

Buckcherry is not big and Josh Todd writes terrible lyrics. i cant believe you would make fun of Scott then pretend Josh Todd is better. Check the video "ridin" on Yahoo music. Actually check all their videos. They look like they were done with a 1995 sony camcorder. Im supposed to think they are big?

who gives a shit about videos. its all about the music. in the end when you buy a album does every song have a video with it? no

buckcherry are awesome and i think the lyrics are awesome. Buckcherry are more true to rock music than VR are.

[Rob]

I personally would take Buckcherry over STP or VR any day.  I think they're songs are much better musically, and I also like Todd's lyrics better than Weiland's.

[Jizzo]

i love buckcherry and i olove velvet revolver, i love that they are seprate entities. They are both pretty damn high in my book

[gun]

Scott has much more to offer.  His songwriting skills far surpass Todd's and his vocals are much more unique.   The problem is Velvet Revolver have the right talent they just didn't use it.  Other than "Slither", and maybe "Fall to Pieces" this stuff is all disposable b-side worthy musical gunk.  The first album sold well due to the hype of who the band members were and a strong single in "Slither".   The next one better kick ass or this will most likely be the end of VR. 

[oldgunsfan]

sometimes i think Scott may be to 'artistic" for his own good

seeing the making of "Crazy Bitch", josh todd may be a bit more fun

[Rob]

I think Todd's vocals are more unique than Scott's.  Who sounds like Josh Todd?

[da_pope]

I think Tood is better on both fronts.

[Super-Ecwfan1]

              Could you imagine Todd/Slash on " Welcome to the Jungle "  ?  I'd love to have heard that.

[ShotgunBlues1978]

It's hard not to wonder what could've been.  Contraband, to me, is the best pure hard rock album to be released since, ironically, Buckcherry's debut album in 1999.  Weiland is a great musician and writer, but it's hard not to salivate when you imagine Josh Todd's attitude and style combined with Duff, Slash and Matt.  I think that an album with Todd, Slash, and Duff writing songs would've been closer to the original GnR sound.  Josh Todd has the swagger and attitude that epitomizes the 80s Sunset Strip sound

I'm all lit up again, on the couch, in my bed, oh yes I'm all, lit up again, flyin, I love the cocaine, I love the cocaine

[Rob]

I'd put all three Buckcherry albums on at least the same level as Contraband.

[D]

Scott fucked up in the "Plush" Video rippin Vedder off a little too hard but He totally redeemed himself from that and personally I think STP own Pearl jam.

So how exactly did Scott "fuck up" in the video?? If I recall Scott had short orange or pink hair and a goatee in that video.. I don't remember Vedder ever looking like that..? And the song doesn't sound anything like Pearl Jam or Vedder.... Anyone that ever made that comparrison was way off base.

The faces he makes, his poses. Total Vedder impersonations in my opinion.

[D]

To lay this topic to bed.


Scott Weiland/VR number 1 album double platinum, top videos and singles.


Buckcherry Debuted at number 48, no videos to be seen.


Weiland has more rock cred and is more commercial and famous.

Weiland easily the best choice.

[Rob]

I don't think the question is who is more famous and commercial.  Todd can't compete with Weiland there.  But just because you had a #1 album and videos doesn't mean you're a better frontman.  There are plenty of bands in recent years who've had #1 albums and still completely suck.

[Smoking Guns]

CLOSE THIS TIRED ASS THREAD PLEASE.  IT IS HORRIBLE AND HAS BEEN DISCUSSED 10 BILLION TIMES.  Next, Baz vs. Scott part 10,000.  Just kidding.  I love VR.  But I must admit, Josh Todd's vocals are exactly what I would want if I were going to start a new hard rock band.  He reminds me of Bon Scott as well some.  Anyway, lock this tired thread please........................

[D]

I dont agree Rob.

Commercial Success and how many records u sale and how many hits u have matters and is a great measuring stick.

how can u be a great frontman if people think u suck and dont buy your shit?

that makes no sense.

[Rob]

I dont agree Rob.

Commercial Success and how many records u sale and how many hits u have matters and is a great measuring stick.

how can u be a great frontman if people think u suck and dont buy your shit?

that makes no sense.

I think when it comes to accolades its a matter of quality over quantity.  5 million little girls can buy a Britney Spears album and my opinion of her wouldn't change a bit.  But if Axl were to come out and say he really dug her last album I'd probably check it out.  Album sales don't matter that much to me.  I'd put more stock in the opinins of my fellow GN'R fans than the record buying public as a whole.

[D]

Yeah dude but this is where your logic is goin haywire.

2 million little girls didnt buy VR's album.

I didnt see any kids at the VR show I attended.

Scott is a better frontman,lyrically,vocally,style wise, originality.


Josh Todd doesnt sell records or tickets.

the buckcherry songs ive heard have no substance whatsoever and I cant relate to any of it.

Scott brings it on every end.

[Rob]

Good point, D.  The people buying VR albums are for the most part people who's musical opinions and tastes I respect.  I think this thread has kinda ran its course.  Bottom line is its pretty much opnion when it comes down to it.  I prefer Todd you prefer Weiland.  No disputing Weiland is more successful, he definitely is.  I still like Todd better.  He sells tickets and records to me, so he's awesome in my book.  But I can definitely see how people can really dig Weiland too.  They're both really good frontmen in my opninion.

[Falcon]

Can we put this thread to bed now kids?

All in favor, say aye.

[Rob]

Aye